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' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:01 pm

' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

BBC

Wednesday 3 December 2014

An inquiry into the rape conviction of Welsh footballer Ched Evans has begun by the body that examines potential miscarriages of justice.

Evans was found guilty in April 2012 of raping a 19-year-old woman at a Premier Inn near Rhyl, Denbighshire, the previous May.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) said in October it would fast-track its inquiry, but said it was not policy to reveal why.

The investigation could take 35 weeks.

The former Sheffield United player was released from prison in October after serving half of a five-year sentence.

A CCRC spokesman said: "The case has not been prioritised because Mr Evans is relatively famous, because he plays football for a living, or for any reason external to the specific facts of the case.

"Prioritisation like this is not typical but it is by no means unprecedented.

"We prioritise applications where there is need and where it accords with our policy to do so, we expect to prioritise perhaps one or two such cases each month."

Re: Ched Evans, inquiry begins

Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:03 pm

justice for Ched

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:55 pm

Justice For Evans :ayatollah:

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:18 pm

The reason for this is because something as come to light since trial no doubt! :old:

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:58 pm

Something was always clearly wrong in this entire case, i hope that real justice prevails and the truth comes to light. I think there should be clarity given on the role of alcohol and the removal of ones own responsibilities. Where are the lines? I have been raped a few times given i couldn't even remember bumping ugly's. I need to have these raping temptress's tracked down and jailed

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:14 pm

jhippno wrote:Something was always clearly wrong in this entire case, i hope that real justice prevails and the truth comes to light. I think there should be clarity given on the role of alcohol and the removal of ones own responsibilities. Where are the lines? I have been raped a few times given i couldn't even remember bumping ugly's. I need to have these raping temptress's tracked down and jailed

Also if you got pissed out of your head, someone took exception, told you so, so you battered them, would you get off? As you werent in control cause you were too drunk? Doubt it.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:08 pm

Credit where it's due, he hasn't backed down and he didn't apologise to the victim in his video.. respect him for sticking to what he believes.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:13 pm

I hope justice prevails :thumbright:

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:15 pm

I really do think he is innocent.
Saying that I also believe him and that girl had morals of an alley cat. He took advantage of someone who wanted to shag a footballer. But hey let's wait and see.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:28 pm

Story didn't even make the Regional News, but only made the BBC Website under the Welsh News.

#JusticeForChedEvans

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:09 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:I really do think he is innocent.
Saying that I also believe him and that girl had morals of an alley cat. He took advantage of someone who wanted to shag a footballer. But hey let's wait and see.


Evans testimony is that she was NOT drunk. Morals of an alley cat or not if she was drunk or considered influenced by alcohol then Evans is guilty. However if his breach can prove she was not and from what little I have seen I believe they have a case then the question I would like to ask is how could have it been missed.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:14 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:I really do think he is innocent.
Saying that I also believe him and that girl had morals of an alley cat. He took advantage of someone who wanted to shag a footballer. But hey let's wait and see.


Evans testimony is that she was NOT drunk. Morals of an alley cat or not if she was drunk or considered influenced by alcohol then Evans is guilty. However if his breach can prove she was not and from what little I have seen I believe they have a case then the question I would like to ask is how could have it been missed.

And the tweet she put out after (allegedly) That she put about getting the money then deleted the Tweet. TBH I think she went back to cop off with two footballers. And used the rape to explain to her Boyfriend. And then saw the ££££. Can't get out of my head that is what happened. But I have heard Ched not a nice person. But being not a nice person does not make him a rapist.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:22 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:I really do think he is innocent.
Saying that I also believe him and that girl had morals of an alley cat. He took advantage of someone who wanted to shag a footballer. But hey let's wait and see.


Evans testimony is that she was NOT drunk. Morals of an alley cat or not if she was drunk or considered influenced by alcohol then Evans is guilty. However if his breach can prove she was not and from what little I have seen I believe they have a case then the question I would like to ask is how could have it been missed.

And the tweet she put out after (allegedly) That she put about getting the money then deleted the Tweet. TBH I think she went back to cop off with two footballers. And used the rape to explain to her Boyfriend. And then saw the ££££. Can't get out of my head that is what happened. But I have heard Ched not a nice person. But being not a nice person does not make him a rapist.


There was a video of her at the hotel in high heels. She look comfortable in them. A right brief and he could be forgiven. Makes we wonder who represented him last time.

Drunk or not the fact he f**k her while in a relationship shows he is self centred.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:28 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:I really do think he is innocent.
Saying that I also believe him and that girl had morals of an alley cat. He took advantage of someone who wanted to shag a footballer. But hey let's wait and see.


Evans testimony is that she was NOT drunk. Morals of an alley cat or not if she was drunk or considered influenced by alcohol then Evans is guilty. However if his breach can prove she was not and from what little I have seen I believe they have a case then the question I would like to ask is how could have it been missed.

And the tweet she put out after (allegedly) That she put about getting the money then deleted the Tweet. TBH I think she went back to cop off with two footballers. And used the rape to explain to her Boyfriend. And then saw the ££££. Can't get out of my head that is what happened. But I have heard Ched not a nice person. But being not a nice person does not make him a rapist.


There was a video of her at the hotel in high heels. She look comfortable in them. A right brief and he could be forgiven. Makes we wonder who represented him last time.

Drunk or not the fact he f**k her while in a relationship shows he is self centred.

But not a imprisonment act Chief. We ain't the moral police. I really don't think he is guilty

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:54 am

Ched

As Sheff Utd don't want you, come and join us. :ayatollah:

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:59 am

No thanks.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:52 am

Either ched and clayton are both guilty or they're both innocent. That's the problem I have with this case.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:57 am

Mel86 wrote:Either ched and clayton are both guilty or they're both innocent. That's the problem I have with this case.



i disagree



but still think cheds innocent anyway.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:59 pm

But they both had sex with her when she was drunk?
Which is what he's been done for.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:26 pm

Mel86 wrote:But they both had sex with her when she was drunk?
Which is what he's been done for.



like i said i think hes innocent anyway, but if someone was going to make a case.... she went back to the hotel with the other guy and ched joined in afterwards


footballers eh :roll:

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:44 pm

They both had sex with her. No violence was involved. Yet Clayton was okay because she apparently said yes to him. So either she got absolutely hammered after saying yes to Clayton so she wasn't capable of saying no to Ched, or there's a witch hunt.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:46 pm

Depressed Blue wrote:They both had sex with her. No violence was involved. Yet Clayton was okay because she apparently said yes to him. So either she got absolutely hammered after saying yes to Clayton so she wasn't capable of saying no to Ched, or there's a witch hunt.

witch hunt I think

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:57 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
Mel86 wrote:But they both had sex with her when she was drunk?
Which is what he's been done for.



like i said i think hes innocent anyway, but if someone was going to make a case.... she went back to the hotel with the other guy and ched joined in afterwards


footballers eh :roll:





That's exactly why Ched Evans was found 'Guilty" ;)

He saw an opportunity and went in for 'sloppy seconds' without (according to the Jury) her consent, so the term 'innocent' cannot really be applied, regardless of the Inquiry result, can it? :?

This 'Inquiry' (don't be fooled into thinking the 'fast track' is a sign of the Authorities thinking now him innocent) may or may not clear Evans, but the as it stands he is still a convicted rapist and certainly no "hero' as one or two (not including you, Paul) are painting him out to be! :evil:

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:04 pm

Sven wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Mel86 wrote:But they both had sex with her when she was drunk?
Which is what he's been done for.



like i said i think hes innocent anyway, but if someone was going to make a case.... she went back to the hotel with the other guy and ched joined in afterwards


footballers eh :roll:





That's exactly why Ched Evans was found 'Guilty" ;)

He saw an opportunity and went in for 'sloppy seconds' without (according to the Jury) her consent, so the term 'innocent' cannot really be applied, regardless of the Inquiry result, can it? :?

This 'Inquiry' (don't be fooled into thinking the 'fast track' is a sign of the Authorities thinking now him innocent) may or may not clear Evans, but the as it stands he is still a convicted rapist and certainly no "hero' as one or two (not including you, Paul) are painting him out to be! :evil:



im not sure anyone is making him out to be a hero, i think a lot of people understand that, although guilty means guilty in the eyes of the law, it doesnt necessarily translate to real life. for me, looking at the cctv from the hotel, she certainly didnt seem as drunk as was made out, and i also find the admission of oral sex slightly odd, not sure its something that would happen in a rape situation, but i could be wrong

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:10 pm

Sven wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Mel86 wrote:But they both had sex with her when she was drunk?
Which is what he's been done for.



like i said i think hes innocent anyway, but if someone was going to make a case.... she went back to the hotel with the other guy and ched joined in afterwards


footballers eh :roll:





That's exactly why Ched Evans was found 'Guilty" ;)

He saw an opportunity and went in for 'sloppy seconds' without (according to the Jury) her consent, so the term 'innocent' cannot really be applied, regardless of the Inquiry result, can it? :?

This 'Inquiry' (don't be fooled into thinking the 'fast track' is a sign of the Authorities thinking now him innocent) may or may not clear Evans, but the as it stands he is still a convicted rapist and certainly no "hero' as one or two (not including you, Paul) are painting him out to be! :evil:


About sums it up Sven.

The other guy escorted her into the hotel. There is video evidence showing she was "willing". Hence why he got off.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:11 pm

Sven I think there is a huge difference between not consenting and someone saying no and then being raped.

If she was too drunk to consent to Ched, then she was too drunk to consent with Clayton.

R v Ched Evans (Chedwyn Evans)

"The applicant (a footballer) was convicted of rape and sentenced to five years' imprisonment.

A co-defendant, McDonald, was charged with rape on the same girl. He was acquitted by the jury.

The complainant, who was 19 years old, worked as a waitress in a restaurant attached to a hotel. The applicant and McDonald were close friends. There was no doubt that McDonald had sexual intercourse with the girl on the night of 29/30 May 2011. Equally, there was no doubt that the applicant also had sexual intercourse with her. The issues for the jury were: whether she may have consented, although she had consumed a large quantity of alcohol; and if she did not consent, whether the applicant (and McDonald in his case) may reasonably have believed that she had consented to the sexual activity which took place between her and McDonald and between her and the applicant. The complainant stated that she had no memory of any sexual activity with either of the two men."


https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-che ... dwyn-evans

She was too drunk to consent for either of them. When she walked to the hotel with Clayton, prior to this she said she could barely remember anything that happened previously in the night. Which is why the appeal may succeed as they can throw Clayton under the bus and say the jury have to treat him equally.

Personally I think as both of them were relatively sober, they both raped her.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:18 pm

Depressed Blue wrote:
She was too drunk to consent for either of them. When she walked to the hotel with Clayton, prior to this she said she could barely remember anything that happened previously in the night. Which is why the appeal may succeed as they can throw Clayton under the bus and say the jury have to treat him equally.

Personally I think as both of them were relatively sober, they both raped her.



surely his aim is to get the conviction overturned, not get someone else done too.


Dont buy into the whole sober = fine, drunk = rape thing either. i believe she was most certainly in the moment and, by the accounts of the only people who could remember, was quite keen

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:07 pm

Mel86 wrote:But they both had sex with her when she was drunk?
Which is what he's been done for.


No he didn't get done for having sex with her while she was drunk!!!

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:34 pm

Well if she has no memory of what happened then what the hell HAS he been done for apart from having sex with a girl too drunk to say yes? I have read up on the case.. unlike many who have been hysterically pontificating about it.

Re: ' Ched Evans, inquiry begins '

Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:57 pm

She was to Drunk but could walk. Ched was drunk but could walk. All came back from night club. They all fooked each other. She feels ashamed in the morning. So what do drink so much if you can't handle it.