' IS HE TRAPPED/WHY DOES HE REMAIN? '

' IS HE TRAPPED/WHY DOES HE REMAIN? '

What is keeping Vincent Tan at the club ?

This thread is not designed as an anti-Tan topic, hopefully this can be debated sensibly.

Of course there is an obvious fact that he is owed an awful lot of money that he has loaned to the club.

I am in no doubt that Tan is not enjoying his ownership of the club, he does not come to matches, home or away, in fact he has not been to one City game this season.

There are cost cutting exercises taking place throughout the club, from the manager's wages to his backroom staff. Match-day support staff have been cut from programme sellers to stewards. Players will be offloaded in January and I suspect, but this is obviously just my opinion, there won't be big money signings by Russell Slade. Is this the start of the Tan exit strategy ?

Is Tan cutting back in readiness to leave or sell the club ?

A problem with that is, and it is surely a big problem, the club is nowhere near the worth what Vincent Tan is owed.

Is Tan effectively trapped ?

Does anyone believe that Tan wants to stay?

Does Tan want to get the club back to the Premier League so he can at least try and reclaim most of what he is owed and save face at the same time ?

But is the cost cutting reducing our chances of promotion ?

The rebrand/Malky affairs have brought a lot of embarrassment and criticism toward Tan, no matter what your position is on either issue, you can't deny that Tan has brought embarrassment to himself on a number of occasions.

Despite promises to convert his debt to equity, it has still not happened.

He will never lose face by reversing his ridiculous rebrand.

He will never have the backing of the majority of fans, too much water has passed under the bridge.

Tan recently said that the fans had 'done their worst' and 'what else can they do?', I read those comments at the time and read them as a taunt to City fans, proving to me that he has little compassion about the fans feelings and is driving a wedge further between ourselves and him.

When TG was here he told shareholders that the Malaysians 'are custodians of the institution' but Tan is not a custodian he is behaving as a dictator, he does not engage with supporters but instead taunts them, he has not promoted Malaysia well by his antics and our brief season in the sun became a media circus about Tan and Malky.

Vincent Tan does not like our fans; his family and close friends advise him to quit Cardiff City, he is losing money, not attending matches, he is ridiculed by the media and a section of fans, so why is he still putting himself through it?

Opinions please, but please try and keep your responses on the right side of decency.

64k dollar question and only tan knows answer unfortunately!

I believe him, he may be here for 20 years Queue abuse

I think he wants to run it as he would any of his other businesses.A- Control costs and B- increase income, b needs to be greater than a.

He bought his way into the premier league with a lot of the building blocks in place. Bellers added class, aggression and professionalism during the promotion season, but he cost, he was ours, not Citeh paying 75% of his wages.

Celebrity managers are costly and don't guarantee you anything. Cheaper manager, cheaper squad to match the reduce income appears sensible to me.

In real terms i guess he is out 30~40 million on book value of the club against debt. He is wealthy enough to absorb that to prove a point and that point being he got it right in the end, however long that may be.

My guess (more hope) is we won't see him for years and he will allow the CEO and chairman to run things and allow them the decision on the return to blue, whilst running it like a proper business, no more big money signings, work as a team, but with the added benefit of not having to sell our good kids.

Definitely Tan wants away. What he needs to do now is make the club attractive for a buyer.

The cost cutting is the biggest clue to this. No new investor will be interested in high ongoing costs for a team in the championship.

Obviously another attraction is if we get back to the premier. That will save Tan a few pennies but whatever league we are in I just feel he is going to have to accept a big loss.

Tan is keen to invest in another club in the UK. He has made that clear if he sells us. He will sell us at a loss but will look at ways of dampening that. Whoever he buys I feel will have first choice of any of our players who go on the transfer list. Some sort of arrangement like that.

Tan is Trapped and wants out ASAP a Fact.

Tan is now cutting back on everything and has stopped putting money in,will only put money in now, if its to try and protect his own money.

I believe him, he may be here for 20 years Queue abuse

I think he wants to run it as he would any of his other businesses.A- Control costs and B- increase income, b needs to be greater than a.

He bought his way into the premier league with a lot of the building blocks in place. Bellers added class, aggression and professionalism during the promotion season, but he cost, he was ours, not Citeh paying 75% of his wages.

Celebrity managers are costly and don't guarantee you anything. Cheaper manager, cheaper squad to match the reduce income appears sensible to me.

In real terms i guess he is out 30~40 million on book value of the club against debt. He is wealthy enough to absorb that to prove a point and that point being he got it right in the end, however long that may be.

My guess (more hope) is we won't see him for years and he will allow the CEO and chairman to run things and allow them the decision on the return to blue, whilst running it like a proper business, no more big money signings, work as a team, but with the added benefit of not having to sell our good kids.

You posted this at the same time as my post below.

I think this is quite feasable.

I don't think Tan thinks about the club as much as our fans think he does.
Making cut back is not a bad idea, personally I think it's good news but I think it's being done in the wrong areas. A good manager and assistant could have made the transition a lot easier.

I don't think Tan thinks about the club as much as our fans think he does.
Making cut back is not a bad idea, personally I think it's good news but I think it's being done in the wrong areas. A good manager and assistant could have made the transition a lot easier.

I agree with you that tan probably doesn't think much about us ,he's had plenty of businesses and new investment to keep him busy

I don't think Tan thinks about the club as much as our fans think he does.
Making cut back is not a bad idea, personally I think it's good news but I think it's being done in the wrong areas. A good manager and assistant could have made the transition a lot easier.

I agree with you that tan probably doesn't think much about us ,he's had plenty of businesses and new investment to keep him busy

Thats true as well Wez.

I ll never understand tan,he could have and become a legend to many city fans,his money took us to the premiership,but his ego has just destroyed the club,everyone can see the rebrand has failed except for tan himself

If tan had any business sense he'd do market research amongst the fans. He'd then know that he'd messed up with rebrand. A return to blue and original badge would see fans return to stadium and merchandise sales go through the roof.

I've not been to a home game since April and I've not been in club shop for 18 months. I used to spend 300 plus in shop at Christmas and birthdays for my kids. There are many more like me. I won't spend a penny more until we return to blue.

Tan is too pig headed to realise that football is not like other businesses. His personal vendetta against Malky shows him for what he is.

The sooner he leaves the better for the clubs long term future.

Tan will stay until he has turned us into a more attractive proposition to sell

He would not like to be seen as a failure in what is at the end of a day a business venture for him

He enjoyed the adulation he received when he saved the club

He pumped in millions to pay off debts and get us promoted

He changed our colour and its cost him millions ...... massive failure

He has said football is a business , but he has alienated his customers ...... massive failure

He trusted Malky / Moody with a big budget to keep us in the premiership ...... massive failure

He trusted Dalman to get the right management in to turn things around ...... massive failure

He is the subject of ridicule by our fans and the media over his disregard for our football culture in this country

Will he change track and get the fans back on side by scrapping his failed policy of playing in red

He will have a far better chance of turning things around if we are all singing from the same hymn sheet

Obvious statements made I know ........ but common sense is not so common to Tan

To be fair, he did have some type of surgery in the summer months. Might be a reason why he hasn't been over to watch any of the games?

Is Tan trapped? NO!!

He had always had the ability to walk away.

He can afford the loss.

He doesn't want the loss of face, but it may come to a stage where he can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

The really bad news is that by his recent actions, he appears to be cost cutting and headed for a hatchet job on the squad (nothing wrong with that as long as there is an influx of quality????).

The manner of Tan's departure will be the crucial thing. Will we have a new owner who has an empathy and ambition for CCFC or just a profit-conscious number cruncher???

Interesting times.

Having read all of the above,

About him wanting an end to his Cardiff stay, as already stated it is a fact!

he's been portayed as a clown by the british media and it has hurt him
it might of even damaged his image in other nations effecting reputation in business

We are a big enough city to become a top club, their is money pumping in to Cardiff from all areas and it makes sense to turn this club into an elite European team and I fully believe that before long a very wealthy man will notice this city is on the up and put in alot of money and turn Cardiff City into a huge club.

Having read all of the above,

About him wanting an end to his Cardiff stay, as already stated it is a fact!

he's been portayed as a clown by the british media and it has hurt him
it might of even damaged his image in other nations effecting reputation in business

We are a big enough city to become a top club, their is money pumping in to Cardiff from all areas and it makes sense to turn this club into an elite European team and I fully believe that before long a very wealthy man will notice this city is on the up and put in alot of money and turn Cardiff City into a huge club.

Call me naïve if you like, but I thought we had just that when Tan came in!!

I think he wants to get us up and sell on ASAP. But I do know one thing for a fact, we as fans complain about players and managers but irrespective of them this club will never ever be consistent and successful until the club and fans are pulling in the same direction and that will never happen under tan. You can't just buy success you need momentum!

Tan is Trapped and wants out ASAP a Fact.

Tan is now cutting back on everything and has stopped putting money in,will only put money in now, if its to try and protect his own money.

Agree with the above Annis - Also when TG left - Tan's problems started - The go between guy left

He is hoping for promotion so the club can be sold for an inflated price.
If we don't get promotion then our club will face dire financial consequences.

The hiring of Slade was the start of Tan stripping the club ready to sell in my opinion.

Slade has been brought in cheap and will now have to sell a lot of players in January so Tan can start filtering some of his money back from the club.

As soon as he feels he has got enough of his money back he will walk away leaving us with Slade and a team built up of free bees from lower divisions and youth players.

Just my opinion though

To be fair, he did have some type of surgery in the summer months. Might be a reason why he hasn't been over to watch any of the games?

I believe it was for colour blindness - he said to his doctor that every time he went to games he could only see a sea of blue!

There are cost cutting exercises taking place throughout the club, from the manager's wages to his backroom staff. Match-day support staff have been cut from programme sellers to stewards. Players will be offloaded in January and I suspect, but this is obviously just my opinion, there won't be big money signings by Russell Slade. Is this the start of the Tan exit strategy ?

Football clubs dream of producing talent, buying top players, playing attractive football and win titles. They don't freece out talent and look to sell them, play ugly defensive football when you have the players to do the opposite. First Guerra, then Daehli, then Ravel, then Fabio. Who is next? Manga? We have top squad players in Burgstaller, Connolly, Eikrem and Kim.
Players who would walk into most championship teams. It's all very strange. And when you look at managment and back room staff there is no sign of ambition. I think you hit the nail on the head in that quote mate

Good post this and good to see some decent and reasonable opinions which for a change are all very similar. I believe he is doing what you do with every business when it's apparent that the financials need sorting out. He's making changes to balance the books a little better but I don't think he will have a mass clear out or totally risk the money he has invested, but I believe he wants out and will stop throwing money at it. He won't do a knee jerk, he will leave when he feels the time is right but no doubt he would have already accepted he will make a loss. Sooner he is gone the sooner we can move forward.

My best guess is he will walk away sooner rather than later. As a fan I have to believe that one day, this capital city will have a premier league team that can hold its own, not asking for miracles, let's face it doing a Swansea will be more than acceptable.live in hope of someone out there with the cash and vision to see the potential. Maybe the Welsh government can provide an inducement/ grant! May help the airport situation also!! ( only half joking)

To be fair, he did have some type of surgery in the summer months. Might be a reason why he hasn't been over to watch any of the games?

I believe it was for colour blindness - he said to his doctor that every time he went to games he could only see a sea of blue!

I liked this response fair play

its a difficult one for tan because he's probably got to risk even more money to get promotion if he's to get his money back.

the dream has quickly turned into a nightmare for tan and i think he'll move on to pursue other projects ASAP.