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Well well well Mr Whelan

Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:46 pm

Dave Whelan: Wigan owner in anti-Semitism row over Mackay

Wigan owner Dave Whelan has been accused of anti-Semitism over comments he made to a national newspaper.
The latest controversy comes an hour after a Latics sponsor ended its agreement with the club over the appointment of Malky Mackay as manager.
The Football Association is looking into allegations Mackay sent offensive text messages while Cardiff manager.
Whelan, 77, is quoted in a Guardian interview saying: "Jewish people chase money more than everybody else."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30137728
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ish-people

Dave Whelan has been accused of antisemitism after the Wigan Athletic owner told the Guardian he believes “Jewish people chase money more than everybody else”.

A Chinese community leader, Jenny Wong, also said Whelan was condoning racism by saying it is “nothing” to call a Chinese person a “chink”.

The comments came on the day one of Wigan’s shirt sponsors, the kitchen appliances firm Premier Range, announced it was ending its agreement with the club, describing its position as “untenable”.

Whelan was explaining his appointment on Wednesday of Malky Mackay as Wigan’s manager, despite Mackay being under investigation by the Football Association for alleged racism and antisemitism over his email and text exchanges while in charge of Cardiff City with Cardiff’s former head of recruitment Iain Moody.

Premier Range said: “The texts Mr Mackay has admitted to sending are wholly unacceptable – and the thoughts expressed within them are a shocking reminder of a past we thought football had left behind. A team that would employ a man who expresses views such these is not the kind of team Premier Range wish to deal with.”

The three texts or emails Mackay had sent, Whelan said, included one describing the Cardiff City owner, Malaysian Vincent Tan, as a “chink”. In another, Mackay referred to the Jewish football agent, Phil Smith, saying: “Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers.”

Whelan said he saw neither as offensive, nor did he consider offensive the other text for which he said Mackay was responsible, which referred to there being “enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go round”, when Mackay signed the South Korea international Kim Bo-kyung.

Whelan said he does not believe the reference to Smith is offensive, first explaining he believed Mackay was only reflecting that Jewish people “love money” like everybody does: “The Jews don’t like losing money. Nobody likes losing money,” Whelan told the Guardian.

Asked whether he did not think what Mackay said was offensive, because the claim that Jews “love money” has been used as a negative stereotype, Whelan said: “Do you think Jewish people chase money a little bit more than we do? I think they are very shrewd people.” Asked if he himself believed that, Whelan, the multimillionaire former owner of JJB Sports, said: “I think Jewish people do chase money more than everybody else. I don’t think that’s offensive at all.”

Whelan said he did not think there was “a lot wrong” with anything Mackay said, and there was no malice or disrespect in the statement about Smith. He added: “It’s telling the truth. Jewish people love money, English people love money; we all love money.”

His remarks were condemned by Simon Johnson, the former FA and Premier League executive, who is Jewish and is the chief executive at the Jewish Leadership Council. “Unfortunately Mr Mackay and now Mr Whelan have referred to some of the worst old-fashioned tropes which have been used in the past as the basis of antisemitism and stereotyping of Jewish people,” he said. “Mackay used offensive language to insult a fellow participant in football using a tawdry racial stereotype.”

Whelan said “We’re all against racism in football” and that it was right that Mackay has attended diversity education courses. However, he said the word “chink” is not offensive, and that he used to say it of Chinese people when he was young. “If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said. “There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies.” Wong, director of the Manchester Chinese Centre, an organisation devoted to Chinese community cultural understanding, said chink “is an insult, racist”.

“I remember at school in the 70s a skinhead kicking me, calling me ‘chinky, chinky,’” Wong said. “It has stopped now; things have changed for the better. We have legal protection against racism and that is important; it is not political correctness. As a football manager, this man should not have said it.”

Whelan told the Guardian he has been advised by two “influential” people at the top of the FA that “nothing will come” from the investigation into Mackay, largely because the exchanges were in private communications, which the FA chairman Greg Dyke has previously said are beyond the organisation’s disciplinary processes. The FA said: “No assurances have been given as to the outcome of this case.”


i said previously i thought whelan would gloss over the racism / homophobia Mackay incidents, i must say this comes as no surprise to me!

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:53 pm

Malky has had some unofficial punishment by being put out of work by Tan.

Whelan will be without his new Manager soon though as the FA simply can't avoid banning Malky for a period of time for his racist abuse. It simply isn't going to be ignored and is only a matter of time before they reach their conclusion and punish him formally.

Wigan should have waited a while longer before diving in.

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:58 pm

The goodie newspaper the Guardian. Shit read

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:59 pm

Its bloody contagious !!!!!!

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:36 pm

Whelan in anti-Semitism row
Wigan owner Dave Whelan has been accused of anti-Semitism after defending the decision to appoint Malky Mackay as manager of the Championship club.

Last Updated: 20/11/14 at 20:58

http://www.football365.com/championship ... e-Guardian?

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:49 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30139723

its ok it was only banter :thumbup:

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:24 am

Military Junta wrote:The goodie newspaper the Guardian. Shit read


I suggest you don't read it then. Problem solved. :thumbup:

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:39 am

SwampCCFC wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30139723

its ok it was only banter :thumbup:


Whelan seems to be digging a really deep hole and he's looking like he's about to jump in big time.

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:11 am

Rubbish rag of a paper :bluescarf:

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:45 am

Thats why malky got the job racists stick together

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:52 am

Skewett wrote:Malky has had some unofficial punishment by being put out of work by Tan.

Whelan will be without his new Manager soon though as the FA simply can't avoid banning Malky for a period of time for his racist abuse. It simply isn't going to be ignored and is only a matter of time before they reach their conclusion and punish him formally.

Wigan should have waited a while longer before diving in.





Sorry, but that's a rubbish statement! :roll:

Malky will not be sanctioned by the FA and that has already been 'unofficially' stated, as it is too similar to the mysterious case where a certain person escaped without punishment for similar reasons WITHIN THE FA OFFICE ITSELF! ;)

Whelan will not have made this appointment without having "done his homework" first where that is concerned :thumbup:

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:01 am

Sven wrote:
Skewett wrote:Malky has had some unofficial punishment by being put out of work by Tan.

Whelan will be without his new Manager soon though as the FA simply can't avoid banning Malky for a period of time for his racist abuse. It simply isn't going to be ignored and is only a matter of time before they reach their conclusion and punish him formally.

Wigan should have waited a while longer before diving in.





Sorry, but that's a rubbish statement! :roll:

Malky will not be sanctioned by the FA and that has already been 'unofficially' stated, as it is too similar to the mysterious case where a certain person escaped without punishment for similar reasons WITHIN THE FA OFFICE ITSELF! ;)

Whelan will not have made this appointment without having "done his homework" first where that is concerned :thumbup:


Entirely agree! :thumbup:

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:40 am

mugsy wrote:
Sven wrote:
Skewett wrote:Malky has had some unofficial punishment by being put out of work by Tan.

Whelan will be without his new Manager soon though as the FA simply can't avoid banning Malky for a period of time for his racist abuse. It simply isn't going to be ignored and is only a matter of time before they reach their conclusion and punish him formally.

Wigan should have waited a while longer before diving in.





Sorry, but that's a rubbish statement! :roll:

Malky will not be sanctioned by the FA and that has already been 'unofficially' stated, as it is too similar to the mysterious case where a certain person escaped without punishment for similar reasons WITHIN THE FA OFFICE ITSELF! ;)

Whelan will not have made this appointment without having "done his homework" first where that is concerned :thumbup:


Entirely agree! :thumbup:


I wouldn't be so sure on that.

I thought the FA would do their usual and gloss over this but pressure is building and if these e-mails, txts, etc are as have been reported then if they don't impose some sanctions on Malky then the backlash will, and should, be significant.

I think Malky has made an error in even looking for a job before the outcome of the enquiry and Whelan has been similarly stupid in appointing him. If both had waited they could have started with a clean slate, subject to any sanctions, and learnt the lessons accordingly. Now there will be intense interest and pressure on the enquiry.

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:07 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
mugsy wrote:
Sven wrote:
Skewett wrote:Malky has had some unofficial punishment by being put out of work by Tan.

Whelan will be without his new Manager soon though as the FA simply can't avoid banning Malky for a period of time for his racist abuse. It simply isn't going to be ignored and is only a matter of time before they reach their conclusion and punish him formally.

Wigan should have waited a while longer before diving in.





Sorry, but that's a rubbish statement! :roll:

Malky will not be sanctioned by the FA and that has already been 'unofficially' stated, as it is too similar to the mysterious case where a certain person escaped without punishment for similar reasons WITHIN THE FA OFFICE ITSELF! ;)

Whelan will not have made this appointment without having "done his homework" first where that is concerned :thumbup:


Entirely agree! :thumbup:


I wouldn't be so sure on that.

I thought the FA would do their usual and gloss over this but pressure is building and if these e-mails, txts, etc are as have been reported then if they don't impose some sanctions on Malky then the backlash will, and should, be significant.

I think Malky has made an error in even looking for a job before the outcome of the enquiry and Whelan has been similarly stupid in appointing him. If both had waited they could have started with a clean slate, subject to any sanctions, and learnt the lessons accordingly. Now there will be intense interest and pressure on the enquiry.





The FA have now been obliged to make a statement, but I stand by my comments above that Mr Whelan would not have offered the job without some inclination :thumbup:

However, as always, I will be the first to apologise if that turns out not to be the case ;)

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:13 pm

Sven wrote:
Skewett wrote:Malky has had some unofficial punishment by being put out of work by Tan.

Whelan will be without his new Manager soon though as the FA simply can't avoid banning Malky for a period of time for his racist abuse. It simply isn't going to be ignored and is only a matter of time before they reach their conclusion and punish him formally.

Wigan should have waited a while longer before diving in.





Sorry, but that's a rubbish statement! :roll:

Malky will not be sanctioned by the FA and that has already been 'unofficially' stated, as it is too similar to the mysterious case where a certain person escaped without punishment for similar reasons WITHIN THE FA OFFICE ITSELF! ;)

Whelan will not have made this appointment without having "done his homework" first where that is concerned :thumbup:



Whelan isn't such a bright spark if he's willing to say on the radio that he supports a racist no matter what the outcome of the FA enquiry, which he did on Wednesday. Nor was it bright to use the words he did in an interview for a newspaper.

Re: Well well well Mr Whelan

Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:18 pm

Skewett wrote:
Sven wrote:
Skewett wrote:Malky has had some unofficial punishment by being put out of work by Tan.

Whelan will be without his new Manager soon though as the FA simply can't avoid banning Malky for a period of time for his racist abuse. It simply isn't going to be ignored and is only a matter of time before they reach their conclusion and punish him formally.

Wigan should have waited a while longer before diving in.





Sorry, but that's a rubbish statement! :roll:

Malky will not be sanctioned by the FA and that has already been 'unofficially' stated, as it is too similar to the mysterious case where a certain person escaped without punishment for similar reasons WITHIN THE FA OFFICE ITSELF! ;)

Whelan will not have made this appointment without having "done his homework" first where that is concerned :thumbup:



Whelan isn't such a bright spark if he's willing to say on the radio that he supports a racist no matter what the outcome of the FA enquiry, which he did on Wednesday. Nor was it bright to use the words he did in an interview for a newspaper.




He didn't actually say that, if I remember correctly ;)