Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:54 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:17 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:24 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:I think you're being rather unfair there... Including cup games against lower league opposition for Ole & including games where RS wasn't even the manager for his part!
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:38 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:47 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:52 pm
Skewett wrote:I've just looked back at our start to the season under Ole and I really can't help thinking some of the flack he gets on the board us a tad unfair.
He was after all trying to effect a real seed change in the way we play. Such a major move away from lump it forward football was never going to be easy and was always going to take time.
Furthermore I remember clearly how thrilled we all were when he was signing big name players and getting them at a really cut price. His name and past contacts gave us a shoe in when it came to attracting decent players and I can't see Russell Slade attracting anywhere near that kind of quality.
Nor was Ole afraid to haul off a player and make changes when needed. I remember everyone around me singing his praises when he made a couple of half time subs in one of his first home games to affect a result in our favour. I also would argue with anyone who tries to point the finger towards his lack of professionalism. I thought he was very mature in dealing with Tan, players (even underperforming ones) and spectators alike.
Our results in August read
Draw
Win
Win
Win
Lost
Win
Draw
I know some of them were cup games but if you take the points per game as if they were League games we'd have had 14 out of a possible 21.
Compare that to Slades
Win
Win
Lost
Win
Lost
Draw
That's 10 out of a possible 18. If you include the loss at Blackpool (when Slade was in all but name in charge) then that's just 10 from a possible 21.
For me it's a real shame he didn't get a lot more time to work things through.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:54 pm
nubbsy wrote:Skewett wrote:I've just looked back at our start to the season under Ole and I really can't help thinking some of the flack he gets on the board us a tad unfair.
He was after all trying to effect a real seed change in the way we play. Such a major move away from lump it forward football was never going to be easy and was always going to take time.
Furthermore I remember clearly how thrilled we all were when he was signing big name players and getting them at a really cut price. His name and past contacts gave us a shoe in when it came to attracting decent players and I can't see Russell Slade attracting anywhere near that kind of quality.
Nor was Ole afraid to haul off a player and make changes when needed. I remember everyone around me singing his praises when he made a couple of half time subs in one of his first home games to affect a result in our favour. I also would argue with anyone who tries to point the finger towards his lack of professionalism. I thought he was very mature in dealing with Tan, players (even underperforming ones) and spectators alike.
Our results in August read
Draw
Win
Win
Win
Lost
Win
Draw
I know some of them were cup games but if you take the points per game as if they were League games we'd have had 14 out of a possible 21.
Compare that to Slades
Win
Win
Lost
Win
Lost
Draw
That's 10 out of a possible 18. If you include the loss at Blackpool (when Slade was in all but name in charge) then that's just 10 from a possible 21.
For me it's a real shame he didn't get a lot more time to work things through.
And you can't say all but in charge. He wasn't our manager scot young picked the team full stop. Your argument is well presented but totally unfair
You can't include cup games and count them as hypothetical points mate it just doesn't work like that
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:57 pm
Skewett wrote:According to Slade (whose now been in charge for a fair whack) the players are still 50% behind the fitness levels he'd like. He's had about a pre-seasons worth of time and a shed load of games to get them up to speed.
How much longer does he want before he stops manufacturing possible excuses for what might occur after a few more games.
At least Ole was upfront and honest.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:59 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:03 pm
wez1927 wrote:In hindsight ole should of gone in the summer
Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:11 pm
Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:In hindsight ole should of gone in the summer
I got slaughtered for saying that at the time Wez. Hmmm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:13 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:16 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:46 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:06 pm
Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how fit does he think they were under Ole?
10% / 20% less than now. Do you really believe that our players could be as low as 30% of their optimum fitness levels under Ole.
Whatever you think of him he did spend almost his entire career working in one of the fittest teams in the World, as did some of his coaching staff. Don't you think they would have brought some of that experience with them to Cardiff.
Which of Macheda, Noone and Jones would you point out as improved fitness levels under Slade?
I'm simply arguing that Ole had some managerial experience and a bit of success. He just wasn't given enough time.
I'd put what he did at Molde and with Man Utds reserves up their with Slades indifferent success in lower league football.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:19 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:27 pm
Skewett wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
And Slades early management experience was at non league Armitage and Leicester United where he hardly set the world alight either.
Molde hadn't won the League before and whilst I'm not totally sure on my facts I think Ole guided them to unprecedented League and Cup wins.
How long should we give Slade then. What will your reaction be if we lose 3-0 tomorrow night.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:37 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:57 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
And Slades early management experience was at non league Armitage and Leicester United where he hardly set the world alight either.
Molde hadn't won the League before and whilst I'm not totally sure on my facts I think Ole guided them to unprecedented League and Cup wins.
How long should we give Slade then. What will your reaction be if we lose 3-0 tomorrow night.
Ole did well previously but he inherited a good Molde squad which Rosler built and the reserve team of the most dominant team in Britain (at the time). If we lose 3-0 tomorrow it's still Ole's squad and Slade can't be fairly judged until he's given a few transfer windows to clear the deadwood and bring in his own players imo.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:59 pm
Skewett wrote:Fair enough but two transfer windows when Slade currently has the best potential of any squad ever in the Championship (I'm quoting bigger experts than me there).
Why can't he work with this squad of players. Who's he going to be able to attract that are potentially better than
Daelhi, Guerra etc
Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:06 pm
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
And Slades early management experience was at non league Armitage and Leicester United where he hardly set the world alight either.
Molde hadn't won the League before and whilst I'm not totally sure on my facts I think Ole guided them to unprecedented League and Cup wins.
How long should we give Slade then. What will your reaction be if we lose 3-0 tomorrow night.
Ole did well previously but he inherited a good Molde squad which Rosler built and the reserve team of the most dominant team in Britain (at the time). If we lose 3-0 tomorrow it's still Ole's squad and Slade can't be fairly judged until he's given a few transfer windows to clear the deadwood and bring in his own players imo.
You can say what you want on Ole as a manager, but that is fundamentally wrong. Uwe did nothing for Molde, and Ole reshaped that club from top to bottom with the owners. It never looked back and is doing very well with black numbers in the book. Identical to the start of City this year, with a slow start. After that they never looked back. Your facts are wrong here Tonteg.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:11 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
And Slades early management experience was at non league Armitage and Leicester United where he hardly set the world alight either.
Molde hadn't won the League before and whilst I'm not totally sure on my facts I think Ole guided them to unprecedented League and Cup wins.
How long should we give Slade then. What will your reaction be if we lose 3-0 tomorrow night.
Ole did well previously but he inherited a good Molde squad which Rosler built and the reserve team of the most dominant team in Britain (at the time). If we lose 3-0 tomorrow it's still Ole's squad and Slade can't be fairly judged until he's given a few transfer windows to clear the deadwood and bring in his own players imo.
You can say what you want on Ole as a manager, but that is fundamentally wrong. Uwe did nothing for Molde, and Ole reshaped that club from top to bottom with the owners. It never looked back and is doing very well with black numbers in the book. Identical to the start of City this year, with a slow start. After that they never looked back. Your facts are wrong here Tonteg.
So the fact Rosler took over Molde in 14th place, brought in players and achieved 6 wins and 2 draws in his 8 games to save Molde getting relegated is complete cobblers then.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:24 pm
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
And Slades early management experience was at non league Armitage and Leicester United where he hardly set the world alight either.
Molde hadn't won the League before and whilst I'm not totally sure on my facts I think Ole guided them to unprecedented League and Cup wins.
How long should we give Slade then. What will your reaction be if we lose 3-0 tomorrow night.
Ole did well previously but he inherited a good Molde squad which Rosler built and the reserve team of the most dominant team in Britain (at the time). If we lose 3-0 tomorrow it's still Ole's squad and Slade can't be fairly judged until he's given a few transfer windows to clear the deadwood and bring in his own players imo.
You can say what you want on Ole as a manager, but that is fundamentally wrong. Uwe did nothing for Molde, and Ole reshaped that club from top to bottom with the owners. It never looked back and is doing very well with black numbers in the book. Identical to the start of City this year, with a slow start. After that they never looked back. Your facts are wrong here Tonteg.
So the fact Rosler took over Molde in 14th place, brought in players and achieved 6 wins and 2 draws in his 8 games to save Molde getting relegated is complete cobblers then.
No that is in line with leaving Molde as the shit club they where before him and being reshaped by Ole
Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:41 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
And Slades early management experience was at non league Armitage and Leicester United where he hardly set the world alight either.
Molde hadn't won the League before and whilst I'm not totally sure on my facts I think Ole guided them to unprecedented League and Cup wins.
How long should we give Slade then. What will your reaction be if we lose 3-0 tomorrow night.
Ole did well previously but he inherited a good Molde squad which Rosler built and the reserve team of the most dominant team in Britain (at the time). If we lose 3-0 tomorrow it's still Ole's squad and Slade can't be fairly judged until he's given a few transfer windows to clear the deadwood and bring in his own players imo.
You can say what you want on Ole as a manager, but that is fundamentally wrong. Uwe did nothing for Molde, and Ole reshaped that club from top to bottom with the owners. It never looked back and is doing very well with black numbers in the book. Identical to the start of City this year, with a slow start. After that they never looked back. Your facts are wrong here Tonteg.
So the fact Rosler took over Molde in 14th place, brought in players and achieved 6 wins and 2 draws in his 8 games to save Molde getting relegated is complete cobblers then.
No that is in line with leaving Molde as the shit club they where before him and being reshaped by Ole
But Rosler made a difference at Molde and won 6 of his 8 games before leaving them. That clearly shows Rosler improved Molde during his short spell there. Ole wouldn't have been as successful if Rosler hadn't have turned things around the season before imo.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:45 pm
Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:00 pm
2blue2handle wrote:At the time I thought it was right to replace him but u thought we would have for a credible replacement.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:03 pm
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
And Slades early management experience was at non league Armitage and Leicester United where he hardly set the world alight either.
Molde hadn't won the League before and whilst I'm not totally sure on my facts I think Ole guided them to unprecedented League and Cup wins.
How long should we give Slade then. What will your reaction be if we lose 3-0 tomorrow night.
Ole did well previously but he inherited a good Molde squad which Rosler built and the reserve team of the most dominant team in Britain (at the time). If we lose 3-0 tomorrow it's still Ole's squad and Slade can't be fairly judged until he's given a few transfer windows to clear the deadwood and bring in his own players imo.
You can say what you want on Ole as a manager, but that is fundamentally wrong. Uwe did nothing for Molde, and Ole reshaped that club from top to bottom with the owners. It never looked back and is doing very well with black numbers in the book. Identical to the start of City this year, with a slow start. After that they never looked back. Your facts are wrong here Tonteg.
So the fact Rosler took over Molde in 14th place, brought in players and achieved 6 wins and 2 draws in his 8 games to save Molde getting relegated is complete cobblers then.
No that is in line with leaving Molde as the shit club they where before him and being reshaped by Ole
But Rosler made a difference at Molde and won 6 of his 8 games before leaving them. That clearly shows Rosler improved Molde during his short spell there. Ole wouldn't have been as successful if Rosler hadn't have turned things around the season before imo.
I dont think many fans in Molde or Norway share that opinion mate. But what you said initially about Uwe building the foundation is wrong. Ole brought in 40 something players, and made the club profitable.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:11 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Skewett wrote:No wind up, just a viewpoint.
If Slade's comments about players only being 50% fit now are accurate then how
Yes, I believe the squad was drastically unfit under Ole, our performances showed that. You would honestly put Ole's achievements of managing the Man Utd reserves (which pretty much runs itself) and Molde (where Uwe Rosler laid the foundations for Ole to step in and succeed) level with Slade's? Deary me, Slade's work at cash strapped Leyton Orient assembling a squad out of 30 free transfers to only just lose the League 1 Playoff Final on penalties. That accomplishment alone blows Ole out of the water imo.
And Slades early management experience was at non league Armitage and Leicester United where he hardly set the world alight either.
Molde hadn't won the League before and whilst I'm not totally sure on my facts I think Ole guided them to unprecedented League and Cup wins.
How long should we give Slade then. What will your reaction be if we lose 3-0 tomorrow night.
Ole did well previously but he inherited a good Molde squad which Rosler built and the reserve team of the most dominant team in Britain (at the time). If we lose 3-0 tomorrow it's still Ole's squad and Slade can't be fairly judged until he's given a few transfer windows to clear the deadwood and bring in his own players imo.
You can say what you want on Ole as a manager, but that is fundamentally wrong. Uwe did nothing for Molde, and Ole reshaped that club from top to bottom with the owners. It never looked back and is doing very well with black numbers in the book. Identical to the start of City this year, with a slow start. After that they never looked back. Your facts are wrong here Tonteg.
So the fact Rosler took over Molde in 14th place, brought in players and achieved 6 wins and 2 draws in his 8 games to save Molde getting relegated is complete cobblers then.
No that is in line with leaving Molde as the shit club they where before him and being reshaped by Ole
But Rosler made a difference at Molde and won 6 of his 8 games before leaving them. That clearly shows Rosler improved Molde during his short spell there. Ole wouldn't have been as successful if Rosler hadn't have turned things around the season before imo.
I dont think many fans in Molde or Norway share that opinion mate. But what you said initially about Uwe building the foundation is wrong. Ole brought in 40 something players, and made the club profitable.
Ole brought in 40 something players? No surprise he succeeded if he was backed like that then.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:26 pm
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:He was very well backed. But it dosent take away that he made profits to the club. Signed players for free or Sold players with profit. I dont mind people not being happy with him at Cardiff. But you are barking down a very wrong tree if you are trying to take away what he did at Molde mateAnd btw. Every manager has been backed in Molde. The owner there has twice the wallet Tan has.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:40 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Scandinavianbluebird wrote:He was very well backed. But it dosent take away that he made profits to the club. Signed players for free or Sold players with profit. I dont mind people not being happy with him at Cardiff. But you are barking down a very wrong tree if you are trying to take away what he did at Molde mateAnd btw. Every manager has been backed in Molde. The owner there has twice the wallet Tan has.
I didn't realise Molde had such a rich owner. I guess Rosler must have been backed as well to turnaround Molde's struggling season before Ole took over. I will take your word for it that Ole did well in the transfer market, I guess he must have to bring Molde its first achievements in the clubs history.