How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:50 am
European migrants to the UK are not a drain on Britain’s finances and pay out far more in taxes than they receive in state benefits, a new study has revealed.
The research by two leading migration economists at University College also reveals that Britain is uniquely successful, even more than Germany, in attracting the most highly skilled and highly educated migrants in Europe.
The study, the Fiscal Impact of Immigration to the UK, published in the Economic Journal, reveals that more than 60% of new migrants from western and southern Europe are now university graduates. The educational levels of east Europeans who come to Britain are also improving with 25% of recent arrivals having completed a degree compared with 24% of the UK-born workforce.
It says that European migrants made a net contribution of £20bn to UK public finances between 2000 and 2011. Those from the original 15 EU countries, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain, contributed 64% – £15bn more in taxes than they received in welfare – while east European migrants contributed 12%, equivalent to £5bn more.
The research by UCL’s centre for research and analysis of migration was undertaken to “fill the void” in the debate on immigration in which the contribution of unrestricted migration from within the EU has become the centre of intense political and public concern.
Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said: “A key concern of the public debate on migration is whether immigrants contribute their fair share to the tax and welfare systems. Our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigrant cohorts, particularly of immigrants arriving from the EU.”
He said that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing.
The report was criticised as being “shallow” by David Green of the centre-right thinktank, Civitas. He said that by focusing on taxes and benefits, the report had missed out some vital costs.
“People who migrate tend to be young, better educated and energetic. They make good employees here but they are a loss to their own country. If other European countries fail to prosper because their brightest and best have travelled to the UK, we are all worse off,” he said.
Green added that the survey also disregarded the waste of human capital involved in too many university migrants working as baristas or waiters.
The Conservative immigration minister James Brokenshire, responding to the UCL report, said: “Since 2010, we have reformed benefits, healthcare and housing rules to make them among the tightest in Europe and we continue to see an increase in the number of British citizens in work. In the past, the majority of growth in employment was taken up by foreign nationals; in the last year, three-quarters of it was accounted for by UK nationals.
“We are creating a system that is fair to British citizens and those who want to come here legitimately and contribute to our national life, but which is tough on those who flout the rules.”
The research by two leading migration economists at University College also reveals that Britain is uniquely successful, even more than Germany, in attracting the most highly skilled and highly educated migrants in Europe.
The study, the Fiscal Impact of Immigration to the UK, published in the Economic Journal, reveals that more than 60% of new migrants from western and southern Europe are now university graduates. The educational levels of east Europeans who come to Britain are also improving with 25% of recent arrivals having completed a degree compared with 24% of the UK-born workforce.
It says that European migrants made a net contribution of £20bn to UK public finances between 2000 and 2011. Those from the original 15 EU countries, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain, contributed 64% – £15bn more in taxes than they received in welfare – while east European migrants contributed 12%, equivalent to £5bn more.
The research by UCL’s centre for research and analysis of migration was undertaken to “fill the void” in the debate on immigration in which the contribution of unrestricted migration from within the EU has become the centre of intense political and public concern.
Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said: “A key concern of the public debate on migration is whether immigrants contribute their fair share to the tax and welfare systems. Our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigrant cohorts, particularly of immigrants arriving from the EU.”
He said that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing.
The report was criticised as being “shallow” by David Green of the centre-right thinktank, Civitas. He said that by focusing on taxes and benefits, the report had missed out some vital costs.
“People who migrate tend to be young, better educated and energetic. They make good employees here but they are a loss to their own country. If other European countries fail to prosper because their brightest and best have travelled to the UK, we are all worse off,” he said.
Green added that the survey also disregarded the waste of human capital involved in too many university migrants working as baristas or waiters.
The Conservative immigration minister James Brokenshire, responding to the UCL report, said: “Since 2010, we have reformed benefits, healthcare and housing rules to make them among the tightest in Europe and we continue to see an increase in the number of British citizens in work. In the past, the majority of growth in employment was taken up by foreign nationals; in the last year, three-quarters of it was accounted for by UK nationals.
“We are creating a system that is fair to British citizens and those who want to come here legitimately and contribute to our national life, but which is tough on those who flout the rules.”
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:32 am
Very easily because the public services are busting because of it like schools, NHS and housing and I see that you didn't include the non-EU costing to your thread
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:47 am
EU regulation, costs Britain billions and then factor in our annual EU contribution cost well over 100 Billion over 10 years.
Also, many EU workers are on tax credits topping up their low wages. 36 million is paid to families living in Poland and rising every year, just because a partner worked in the UK - and thats not counting 27 other member states whose immigrants will be over here. Then of course, we have the hundreds if not thousands of criminals operating here, many are in our prison being kept. Flights weekly back to Poland taking their wanted and our unwanted criminals back. Thousands of others will be on the dole and claiming housing and various other benefits. The NHS costs, Schools overflowing, doctors waiting times have gone up, free prescriptions. it's a fact that many send their money home and don't spend too much of it here.
It's all government/EU propaganda! The EU costs Britain billions to stay in and these figures are total pie in the sky!
Also, many EU workers are on tax credits topping up their low wages. 36 million is paid to families living in Poland and rising every year, just because a partner worked in the UK - and thats not counting 27 other member states whose immigrants will be over here. Then of course, we have the hundreds if not thousands of criminals operating here, many are in our prison being kept. Flights weekly back to Poland taking their wanted and our unwanted criminals back. Thousands of others will be on the dole and claiming housing and various other benefits. The NHS costs, Schools overflowing, doctors waiting times have gone up, free prescriptions. it's a fact that many send their money home and don't spend too much of it here.
It's all government/EU propaganda! The EU costs Britain billions to stay in and these figures are total pie in the sky!
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:08 am
I keep thinks simple here and talk about stuff we can all see.
now lets take your casual worker, the none skilled guys. How many of us go into shops or work and see an EU person serving you or cleaning your office. That worker is most likely claiming tax credit and sending the money back to their homeland. A local would most likely claim tax credit but that money would be spent in the UK. This is just one thing.
Another objection is while than EU is here the UK will be claiming job seekers plus other benefits. It all mounts up but this sort of argument falls on deaf politician ears until election time is around the corner.
Regarding skilled jobs well if there is a shortedge of skilled workers then yes bring in outsiders.
now lets take your casual worker, the none skilled guys. How many of us go into shops or work and see an EU person serving you or cleaning your office. That worker is most likely claiming tax credit and sending the money back to their homeland. A local would most likely claim tax credit but that money would be spent in the UK. This is just one thing.
Another objection is while than EU is here the UK will be claiming job seekers plus other benefits. It all mounts up but this sort of argument falls on deaf politician ears until election time is around the corner.
Regarding skilled jobs well if there is a shortedge of skilled workers then yes bring in outsiders.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:31 am
If this country isn't a soft touch why are there all those scum waiting in France to try and get to here and claim claim claim and get all the free services which all the working class pay into but others benefit 
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:33 pm
If statistics won political arguments, the nation would be more riled by tax avoidance than benefit fraud, which they would know is a tiny problem; they’d be convinced that only a tiny proportion of teenagers become pregnant; and they’d realise that crime has long been falling, not rising.
Today’s study on immigration from University College, London should, of course, be welcomed by all of us who refute the pernicious idea fanned by cynical media outlets and politicians that Johnny Foreigner is responsible for our country’s myriad problems. Rather than representing a drain on Britain’s hard-pressed finances, European migrants contributed £20bn to the exchequer between 2000 and 2011. They are, essentially, walking, talking deficit reducers. But try responding to someone’s expressed hostility towards immigration with “Did you know that a study reveals immigrants have contributed £20bn to the nation’s finances in the first decade of this century?” and see where it leaves you.
Take benefit fraud. The default view is that it is rampant: last year, polling suggested that the average Brit thought 27% of social security spending is claimed fraudulently. Try telling someone that the real figure is just 0.7% until you turn purple: more often than not, they will point out local examples of individual benefit fraudsters. Anecdotes end up trumping statistics. But is this any surprise? We are human beings, and emotional creatures at that: not calculating androids. When tabloids hunt down the most shameless, widescreen TV-addicted so-called “benefit scrounger” and splash their lives in the most tawdry fashion across front pages, they know that human stories resonate with their readers, and that their blood will boil. In any case, we all tend to be more convinced and engaged by facts that confirm our worldview than those that do not.
It gets even trickier than that, too. Earlier this year, Nigel Farage was confronted with figures demonstrating that immigrants did indeed pay their way. His response? “There are some things that matter more than money.” If, he added, the arrival of another 5 million to British shores left us “all slightly richer”, he would rather that we were not slightly richer. It was ingenious trolling of the pro-immigration left, painting them as money-obsessed neoliberals, while he was the champion of community and people (well, non-immigrant people, anyway).
As the political linguist George Lakoff puts it, the right get all this far better than the left. “Conservatives understand that communication has to do with the moral basis,” he argues. Using statistics can be useful within reason, but in his view, only if they comfortably sit with a broader frame of argument.
On the other hand, those that believe the Ukip tide can only be driven back by anti-immigration bashing are themselves stubbornly arguing with reality – and should listen carefully to the likes of Lakoff. Both Labour and the Tories have repudiated past immigration levels, and promise numerous crackdowns: it has only served to shift the political debate on to terms most favourable to Ukip. The party has thrived during the great anti-immigration auction of modern politics: they will always be the most trusted to crack down most effectively on immigration. Labour and Tory promises simply fuel widespread cynicism about the two main parties: voters point to a mismatch between what is promised and what is delivered. In any case, it’s often communities with little immigration – but many social problems – that are convinced by anti-immigration mantra. Londoners, after all, have not been seduced by Farage’s purple army.
So how do those of who resist the anti-immigration pandemic win? We surely need to talk far more about stories: like our own personal experiences, or those of relatives being cared for by Lithuanian nurses or Nigerian careworkers. But we have to shift the debate, too. Our economy was trashed by a financial elite. Wealthy tax-dodgers refuse to cough up even as public services are slashed, while the average Brit has to pay every penny the taxman expects. Greedy employers leave millions of British workers in poverty. There aren’t enough council houses because politicians haven’t built them; the secure jobs aren’t there because governments have allowed them to be stripped from the economy.
These are the real villains responsible for the multiple disasters affecting Britain, not immigrants, and surely where anger has to be refocused. Easy to pull off? No. But it at least it has a chance of success. Using statistics to change people’s minds, on the other hand, is surely doomed to fail.
Today’s study on immigration from University College, London should, of course, be welcomed by all of us who refute the pernicious idea fanned by cynical media outlets and politicians that Johnny Foreigner is responsible for our country’s myriad problems. Rather than representing a drain on Britain’s hard-pressed finances, European migrants contributed £20bn to the exchequer between 2000 and 2011. They are, essentially, walking, talking deficit reducers. But try responding to someone’s expressed hostility towards immigration with “Did you know that a study reveals immigrants have contributed £20bn to the nation’s finances in the first decade of this century?” and see where it leaves you.
Take benefit fraud. The default view is that it is rampant: last year, polling suggested that the average Brit thought 27% of social security spending is claimed fraudulently. Try telling someone that the real figure is just 0.7% until you turn purple: more often than not, they will point out local examples of individual benefit fraudsters. Anecdotes end up trumping statistics. But is this any surprise? We are human beings, and emotional creatures at that: not calculating androids. When tabloids hunt down the most shameless, widescreen TV-addicted so-called “benefit scrounger” and splash their lives in the most tawdry fashion across front pages, they know that human stories resonate with their readers, and that their blood will boil. In any case, we all tend to be more convinced and engaged by facts that confirm our worldview than those that do not.
It gets even trickier than that, too. Earlier this year, Nigel Farage was confronted with figures demonstrating that immigrants did indeed pay their way. His response? “There are some things that matter more than money.” If, he added, the arrival of another 5 million to British shores left us “all slightly richer”, he would rather that we were not slightly richer. It was ingenious trolling of the pro-immigration left, painting them as money-obsessed neoliberals, while he was the champion of community and people (well, non-immigrant people, anyway).
As the political linguist George Lakoff puts it, the right get all this far better than the left. “Conservatives understand that communication has to do with the moral basis,” he argues. Using statistics can be useful within reason, but in his view, only if they comfortably sit with a broader frame of argument.
On the other hand, those that believe the Ukip tide can only be driven back by anti-immigration bashing are themselves stubbornly arguing with reality – and should listen carefully to the likes of Lakoff. Both Labour and the Tories have repudiated past immigration levels, and promise numerous crackdowns: it has only served to shift the political debate on to terms most favourable to Ukip. The party has thrived during the great anti-immigration auction of modern politics: they will always be the most trusted to crack down most effectively on immigration. Labour and Tory promises simply fuel widespread cynicism about the two main parties: voters point to a mismatch between what is promised and what is delivered. In any case, it’s often communities with little immigration – but many social problems – that are convinced by anti-immigration mantra. Londoners, after all, have not been seduced by Farage’s purple army.
So how do those of who resist the anti-immigration pandemic win? We surely need to talk far more about stories: like our own personal experiences, or those of relatives being cared for by Lithuanian nurses or Nigerian careworkers. But we have to shift the debate, too. Our economy was trashed by a financial elite. Wealthy tax-dodgers refuse to cough up even as public services are slashed, while the average Brit has to pay every penny the taxman expects. Greedy employers leave millions of British workers in poverty. There aren’t enough council houses because politicians haven’t built them; the secure jobs aren’t there because governments have allowed them to be stripped from the economy.
These are the real villains responsible for the multiple disasters affecting Britain, not immigrants, and surely where anger has to be refocused. Easy to pull off? No. But it at least it has a chance of success. Using statistics to change people’s minds, on the other hand, is surely doomed to fail.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:46 pm
Beacause preoples minds are already made up.
Labour who should coast to a simple anyone but the tories victory are going to get murdered, because they have taken "their" people for granted for too long.
The Political Labour party now soley consists of traditional middle class "I know better" types protecting their own. Social mobility is almost dead. Its very difficult for the bright kid from the Llanedeyrn to get a half decent education that gets him to a free university where he can get his degree in Engineering that allows his family the chance to see lifes finer things (and sit in the posh seats at the city).
So going back to the OP- Nobody cares what spin the established parties place on the story, nobody cares
Labour who should coast to a simple anyone but the tories victory are going to get murdered, because they have taken "their" people for granted for too long.
The Political Labour party now soley consists of traditional middle class "I know better" types protecting their own. Social mobility is almost dead. Its very difficult for the bright kid from the Llanedeyrn to get a half decent education that gets him to a free university where he can get his degree in Engineering that allows his family the chance to see lifes finer things (and sit in the posh seats at the city).
So going back to the OP- Nobody cares what spin the established parties place on the story, nobody cares
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:07 pm
BlueGog wrote:European migrants to the UK are not a drain on Britain’s finances and pay out far more in taxes than they receive in state benefits, a new study has revealed.
The research by two leading migration economists at University College also reveals that Britain is uniquely successful, even more than Germany, in attracting the most highly skilled and highly educated migrants in Europe.
The study, the Fiscal Impact of Immigration to the UK, published in the Economic Journal, reveals that more than 60% of new migrants from western and southern Europe are now university graduates. The educational levels of east Europeans who come to Britain are also improving with 25% of recent arrivals having completed a degree compared with 24% of the UK-born workforce.
It says that European migrants made a net contribution of £20bn to UK public finances between 2000 and 2011. Those from the original 15 EU countries, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain, contributed 64% – £15bn more in taxes than they received in welfare – while east European migrants contributed 12%, equivalent to £5bn more.
The research by UCL’s centre for research and analysis of migration was undertaken to “fill the void” in the debate on immigration in which the contribution of unrestricted migration from within the EU has become the centre of intense political and public concern.
Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said: “A key concern of the public debate on migration is whether immigrants contribute their fair share to the tax and welfare systems. Our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigrant cohorts, particularly of immigrants arriving from the EU.”
He said that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing.
The report was criticised as being “shallow” by David Green of the centre-right thinktank, Civitas. He said that by focusing on taxes and benefits, the report had missed out some vital costs.
“People who migrate tend to be young, better educated and energetic. They make good employees here but they are a loss to their own country. If other European countries fail to prosper because their brightest and best have travelled to the UK, we are all worse off,” he said.
Green added that the survey also disregarded the waste of human capital involved in too many university migrants working as baristas or waiters.
The Conservative immigration minister James Brokenshire, responding to the UCL report, said: “Since 2010, we have reformed benefits, healthcare and housing rules to make them among the tightest in Europe and we continue to see an increase in the number of British citizens in work. In the past, the majority of growth in employment was taken up by foreign nationals; in the last year, three-quarters of it was accounted for by UK nationals.
“We are creating a system that is fair to British citizens and those who want to come here legitimately and contribute to our national life, but which is tough on those who flout the rules.”
regardless of ukip....do you believe this to be a true reflection of what is happening in Britain....was it not just recently that the spineless thing we call the prime minister said in his wordsthat things had to change as Britain was overcrowded and had no reason to allow immigrants that offer nothing into this country....
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:43 pm
regardless of ukip....do you believe this to be a true reflection of what is happening in Britain....was it not just recently that the spineless thing we call the prime minister said in his wordsthat things had to change as Britain was overcrowded and had no reason to allow immigrants that offer nothing into this country....
I agree - we should be more like Austrailia and Canada where there is a point system to gain residentcy. We are currently the mugs of Europe.
I agree - we should be more like Austrailia and Canada where there is a point system to gain residentcy. We are currently the mugs of Europe.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:24 pm
Migration watch says that the figures are flawed as migrants will cost the country more as they get older too
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:38 pm
Migration watch are also saying that because the report is only from 2004 onwards they are not including the many who arrived before that time so if you include the ones who arrived before then as many Polish did then it's actually a negative figure
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:45 pm
Personally I have done nothing to claim that Wales is mine and I should have priority over others.
I've paid taxes yes, that is all. A few sheets of paper that control our lives. Does that give me priority over someone that is looking to survive and save their families? Not for me. Some immigrants contribute nothing to the economy, a lot of welsh contribute absolutely zero to the economy.
It was pure luck I was born here, my parents could have moved to anywhere before I was born. I love Wales, up until a point. Up until people start getting ridiculously territorial over a plot of land. Yes our forefathers fought to save Britain, but so did the Indians, eastern Europeans etc alongside us. We didn't win the wars on our own.
Immigration control is logical in terms of over population. Over population is all I care about. The diversity of culture brought by immigrants I welcome with opens arms.
I know it is an old argument but it is amazing how much foreign cultures have influenced our lives, with people still claiming they bring nothing to the UK. I wonder how advanced Wales would be without foreign imports and technological advancements. I'll give you a hint, I would be writing this message and sending it to you by letter if it were the case.
I've paid taxes yes, that is all. A few sheets of paper that control our lives. Does that give me priority over someone that is looking to survive and save their families? Not for me. Some immigrants contribute nothing to the economy, a lot of welsh contribute absolutely zero to the economy.
It was pure luck I was born here, my parents could have moved to anywhere before I was born. I love Wales, up until a point. Up until people start getting ridiculously territorial over a plot of land. Yes our forefathers fought to save Britain, but so did the Indians, eastern Europeans etc alongside us. We didn't win the wars on our own.
Immigration control is logical in terms of over population. Over population is all I care about. The diversity of culture brought by immigrants I welcome with opens arms.
I know it is an old argument but it is amazing how much foreign cultures have influenced our lives, with people still claiming they bring nothing to the UK. I wonder how advanced Wales would be without foreign imports and technological advancements. I'll give you a hint, I would be writing this message and sending it to you by letter if it were the case.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:01 pm
BlueGog wrote:European migrants to the UK are not a drain on Britain’s finances and pay out far more in taxes than they receive in state benefits, a new study has revealed.
The research by two leading migration economists at University College also reveals that Britain is uniquely successful, even more than Germany, in attracting the most highly skilled and highly educated migrants in Europe.
The study, the Fiscal Impact of Immigration to the UK, published in the Economic Journal, reveals that more than 60% of new migrants from western and southern Europe are now university graduates. The educational levels of east Europeans who come to Britain are also improving with 25% of recent arrivals having completed a degree compared with 24% of the UK-born workforce.
It says that European migrants made a net contribution of £20bn to UK public finances between 2000 and 2011. Those from the original 15 EU countries, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain, contributed 64% – £15bn more in taxes than they received in welfare – while east European migrants contributed 12%, equivalent to £5bn more.
The research by UCL’s centre for research and analysis of migration was undertaken to “fill the void” in the debate on immigration in which the contribution of unrestricted migration from within the EU has become the centre of intense political and public concern.
Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said: “A key concern of the public debate on migration is whether immigrants contribute their fair share to the tax and welfare systems. Our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigrant cohorts, particularly of immigrants arriving from the EU.”
He said that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing.
The report was criticised as being “shallow” by David Green of the centre-right thinktank, Civitas. He said that by focusing on taxes and benefits, the report had missed out some vital costs.
“People who migrate tend to be young, better educated and energetic. They make good employees here but they are a loss to their own country. If other European countries fail to prosper because their brightest and best have travelled to the UK, we are all worse off,” he said.
Green added that the survey also disregarded the waste of human capital involved in too many university migrants working as baristas or waiters.
The Conservative immigration minister James Brokenshire, responding to the UCL report, said: “Since 2010, we have reformed benefits, healthcare and housing rules to make them among the tightest in Europe and we continue to see an increase in the number of British citizens in work. In the past, the majority of growth in employment was taken up by foreign nationals; in the last year, three-quarters of it was accounted for by UK nationals.
“We are creating a system that is fair to British citizens and those who want to come here legitimately and contribute to our national life, but which is tough on those who flout the rules.”
Typical left wing crap. Immigrants have cost the UK since 2000 £100,000,000 = £100 billion.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:09 pm
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:BlueGog wrote:European migrants to the UK are not a drain on Britain’s finances and pay out far more in taxes than they receive in state benefits, a new study has revealed.
The research by two leading migration economists at University College also reveals that Britain is uniquely successful, even more than Germany, in attracting the most highly skilled and highly educated migrants in Europe.
The study, the Fiscal Impact of Immigration to the UK, published in the Economic Journal, reveals that more than 60% of new migrants from western and southern Europe are now university graduates. The educational levels of east Europeans who come to Britain are also improving with 25% of recent arrivals having completed a degree compared with 24% of the UK-born workforce.
It says that European migrants made a net contribution of £20bn to UK public finances between 2000 and 2011. Those from the original 15 EU countries, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain, contributed 64% – £15bn more in taxes than they received in welfare – while east European migrants contributed 12%, equivalent to £5bn more.
The research by UCL’s centre for research and analysis of migration was undertaken to “fill the void” in the debate on immigration in which the contribution of unrestricted migration from within the EU has become the centre of intense political and public concern.
Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said: “A key concern of the public debate on migration is whether immigrants contribute their fair share to the tax and welfare systems. Our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigrant cohorts, particularly of immigrants arriving from the EU.”
He said that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing.
The report was criticised as being “shallow” by David Green of the centre-right thinktank, Civitas. He said that by focusing on taxes and benefits, the report had missed out some vital costs.
“People who migrate tend to be young, better educated and energetic. They make good employees here but they are a loss to their own country. If other European countries fail to prosper because their brightest and best have travelled to the UK, we are all worse off,” he said.
Green added that the survey also disregarded the waste of human capital involved in too many university migrants working as baristas or waiters.
The Conservative immigration minister James Brokenshire, responding to the UCL report, said: “Since 2010, we have reformed benefits, healthcare and housing rules to make them among the tightest in Europe and we continue to see an increase in the number of British citizens in work. In the past, the majority of growth in employment was taken up by foreign nationals; in the last year, three-quarters of it was accounted for by UK nationals.
“We are creating a system that is fair to British citizens and those who want to come here legitimately and contribute to our national life, but which is tough on those who flout the rules.”
Typical left wing crap. Immigrants have cost the UK since 2000 £100,000,000 = £100 billion.
I just wonder how services like the NHS would have survived without immigrants? I suppose you would want to ban these too or are you selective...just like...well you know who...
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:25 pm
a scoring system like Australia which is what UKIP and others have been calling for would put the immigrants in the NHS debate to bed because they would qualify for entry because of their skills.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:57 pm
BlueGog wrote:European migrants to the UK are not a drain on Britain’s finances and pay out far more in taxes than they receive in state benefits, a new study has revealed.
The research by two leading migration economists at University College also reveals that Britain is uniquely successful, even more than Germany, in attracting the most highly skilled and highly educated migrants in Europe.
The study, the Fiscal Impact of Immigration to the UK, published in the Economic Journal, reveals that more than 60% of new migrants from western and southern Europe are now university graduates. The educational levels of east Europeans who come to Britain are also improving with 25% of recent arrivals having completed a degree compared with 24% of the UK-born workforce.
It says that European migrants made a net contribution of £20bn to UK public finances between 2000 and 2011. Those from the original 15 EU countries, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain, contributed 64% – £15bn more in taxes than they received in welfare – while east European migrants contributed 12%, equivalent to £5bn more.
The research by UCL’s centre for research and analysis of migration was undertaken to “fill the void” in the debate on immigration in which the contribution of unrestricted migration from within the EU has become the centre of intense political and public concern.
Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said: “A key concern of the public debate on migration is whether immigrants contribute their fair share to the tax and welfare systems. Our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigrant cohorts, particularly of immigrants arriving from the EU.”
He said that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing.
The report was criticised as being “shallow” by David Green of the centre-right thinktank, Civitas. He said that by focusing on taxes and benefits, the report had missed out some vital costs.
“People who migrate tend to be young, better educated and energetic. They make good employees here but they are a loss to their own country. If other European countries fail to prosper because their brightest and best have travelled to the UK, we are all worse off,” he said.
Green added that the survey also disregarded the waste of human capital involved in too many university migrants working as baristas or waiters.
The Conservative immigration minister James Brokenshire, responding to the UCL report, said: “Since 2010, we have reformed benefits, healthcare and housing rules to make them among the tightest in Europe and we continue to see an increase in the number of British citizens in work. In the past, the majority of growth in employment was taken up by foreign nationals; in the last year, three-quarters of it was accounted for by UK nationals.
“We are creating a system that is fair to British citizens and those who want to come here legitimately and contribute to our national life, but which is tough on those who flout the rules.”
You are far too intelligent for this board. Excellent post with a lot of positive arguments but you'll be shot down by racist one liners.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:31 am
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:44 am
MalagaCF wrote:Easy answer
Non eu costing us 118 billion
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 40170.html
Don't know how BlueGog will respond to this. I know my view.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:17 pm
there have been reports that put the level in which you stop being a burden on the taxpayer at earning £26k a year, others more like £35k.
the average low income migrant pays very little tax, and this is dwarfed by the in work benefits one is entitled to in this country.
plus remittances.
plus crime rates up due to romanians and eastern european gangs (seen this first hand).
plus undercutting UK workers and either lowering their wages or putting them out of a job.
plus the fact that when these workers age they will become a burden on the taxpayer.
plus pressure on public services (schools having to cope with non english speaking children etc)
thats just the economic argument.
the cultural and social argument is dismissed as xenophobia. whatever
the average low income migrant pays very little tax, and this is dwarfed by the in work benefits one is entitled to in this country.
plus remittances.
plus crime rates up due to romanians and eastern european gangs (seen this first hand).
plus undercutting UK workers and either lowering their wages or putting them out of a job.
plus the fact that when these workers age they will become a burden on the taxpayer.
plus pressure on public services (schools having to cope with non english speaking children etc)
thats just the economic argument.
the cultural and social argument is dismissed as xenophobia. whatever
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:20 pm
MalagaCF wrote:Easy answer
Non eu costing us 118 billion
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 40170.html
I mentioned the same thing and he dodged the point
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:44 pm
SwampCCFC wrote:there have been reports that put the level in which you stop being a burden on the taxpayer at earning £26k a year, others more like £35k.
the average low income migrant pays very little tax, and this is dwarfed by the in work benefits one is entitled to in this country.
plus remittances.
plus crime rates up due to romanians and eastern european gangs (seen this first hand).
plus undercutting UK workers and either lowering their wages or putting them out of a job.
plus the fact that when these workers age they will become a burden on the taxpayer.
plus pressure on public services (schools having to cope with non english speaking children etc)
thats just the economic argument.
the cultural and social argument is dismissed as xenophobia. whatever
All EU migrants get tax credits meaning they contribute f**k all. All this EU migrants put in more than they take out is just left wing propaganda to try and fool the British electorate into thinking immigration is a good thing.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:48 pm
Military Junta wrote:MalagaCF wrote:Easy answer
Non eu costing us 118 billion
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 40170.html
I mentioned the same thing and he dodged the point
Non EU migarnts have cost £120 billion pounds since 2004, why? Because people from Pakistan, India and all parts of Africa come here and don't work, they get free houses and the Pakistani community's have on average of 5 to 10 children each. I'd like to add I shouldn't say that as will probably get another ban and it's a fact that the government don't want the British people to know.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:52 pm
May be good for the economy, but if current immigration rates continue we'll be building houses on Caerphilly Mountain in 15 years.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:57 pm
Somalis are the worst who are just here for the take
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:00 pm
Military Junta wrote:MalagaCF wrote:Easy answer
Non eu costing us 118 billion
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 40170.html
I mentioned the same thing and he dodged the point
I cant even get any benefits when I'm out of work because I receive an armed forces pension. Its shocking.
Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:21 pm
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Re: How will UKIP spin this?
Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:28 pm
So only let the ones with a degree or trade in and then the taxes paid will be 100% more than pay ours for welfare