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Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:44 pm
Whats your opinions, should Ched Evans be allowed back in to football?
What if City wanted him?
Ched Evans' girlfriend Natasha Massey says the footballer is 'innocent' of rape and 'would love to return to football'
Tuesday Oct 14, 2014
By Alicia Melville-Smith
Speaking on ITV's This Morning programme, Natasha Massey defended her partner and said she would continue to stand by him
ITV Natasha Massey says her boyfriend, convicted rapist Ched Evans, is 'not capable' of rape
The girlfriend of convicted rapist Ched Evans has defended him, claiming he is innocent and “would love to return to football”.
Natasha Massey and Ched’s sister Kylie appeared on ITV’s This Morning programme where they repeated claims he was innocent of rape.
Massey insisted she “knew he wasn’t capable of a crime like that” and that the people “are reading a headline and not reading the facts”.
“Obviously the cheating was private and we dealt with that at the time.
“I honestly never thought he’d get a guilty and the day he did I was never going to leave him because I knew the facts way before the public.
“I know Ched is innocent, I love him and I will continue to stand by him.
“I just want to get him home and live a normal life. We’ve never lived this celebrity life which people are trying to portray Ched as in the media. He played a game of football and that was it.”
The former Sheffield United striker was jailed for five years in 2012 after raping a 19-year-old woman at a hotel near Rhyl, Denbighshire – but is now within days of being released from prison.
When presenter Phillip Schofield pointed out that Evans had been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, Kylie said: “That’s shocking to us. I was in court every day and I have no idea how they came to that conclusion.”
She added that there were “miscarriages of justice” and that “just because 12 people found him guilty”, people should not necessarily listen to them.
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The pair were interviewed a day after TV presenter Judy Finnigan apologised after appearing to defend Evans on ITV’s Loose Women.
Massey also said Evans would love to be a footballer again.
“Football is all Ched knows, he’s been playing since he was little.
“It’s out of our hands. I’m just Ched’s partner, I don’t get involved in the football side.
“What I do know is that Ched would love to return to football, continuing to do what he does best and what he loves.”
More than 140,000 people have signed a petition demanding Sheffield United not re-employ Evans when leaves prison.
However, Professional Footballers Association chief Gordon Taylor has said his union would accept Evans' return.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:56 pm
As far as I'm concerned after reading about the case, and the files of the solicitor/ reporter who fought for the conviction to be overturned, he is innocent of rape.
Guilty or not guilty, he has served his time and since his job does not require him to take a CRB check, or should it be affected by him being on the sex offenders register, he should be allowed to start playing again. If anyone wants him.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:58 pm
Tough one annis we all know the courts sometimes get it wrong I would say no as he was convicted even if its sound or not But on another point worth thinking about Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick were convicted of killing people and have returned to football a far worse crime
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Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:58 pm
Denzil wrote:As far as I'm concerned after reading about the case, and the files of the solicitor/ reporter who fought for the conviction to be overturned, he is innocent of rape.
Guilty or not guilty, he has served his time and since his job does not require him to take a CRB check, or should it be affected by him being on the sex offenders register, he should be allowed to start playing again. If anyone wants him.
Denzil, I'm with you, I followed the case as well and also he should be allowed to continue his career,just like anyone who commits a crime should be allowed a job once theyve served their time.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:01 pm
Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.
Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:04 pm
Why are people so hypocritical when it comes to footballers? If it was Joe bloggs people will say deserves second chance! But footballers don't?

dare say being footballer had something to do with fact he was found guilty and not other person with him?
Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:23 pm
Denzil wrote:As far as I'm concerned after reading about the case, and the files of the solicitor/ reporter who fought for the conviction to be overturned, he is innocent of rape.
Guilty or not guilty, he has served his time and since his job does not require him to take a CRB check, or should it be affected by him being on the sex offenders register, he should be allowed to start playing again. If anyone wants him.
Agreed with you. How did he get convicted and the other person did not?
Hope he returns to football, and I would have him back for Wales.
We have Ravel Morrison playing for us now and he is a scum bag, who will contunually reoffend.
McCormack and Lee Hughes are killers but had no problem playing again and being accepted it seems.
Leroy Lita and Nile Ranger are still playing after assaulting women.
Hypocrites seem to be out in force as it is something else they can jump on the bandwagon to show their superior morality to the rest of us.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:26 pm
bluewho wrote:Tough one annis we all know the courts sometimes get it wrong I would say no as he was convicted even if its sound or not But on another point worth thinking about Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick were convicted of killing people and have returned to football a far worse crime

True, Courts even get it wrong and Killers have even been allowed.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:27 pm
RFMH wrote:Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.
Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.
They dont deserve any privledges at all.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:28 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Why are people so hypocritical when it comes to footballers? If it was Joe bloggs people will say deserves second chance! But footballers don't?

dare say being footballer had something to do with fact he was found guilty and not other person with him?

Allan, Why I brought it up, He was front page of the Daily Mirror today and in all the media and even discussed on tv.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:59 pm
He'll be mad to get back in to football. fans will rip him to shreads. What's always puzzled me though, is how the other fella got off scott free.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:32 pm
buckleys brewery wrote:He'll be mad to get back in to football. fans will rip him to shreads. What's always puzzled me though, is how the other fella got off scott free.
He must have been banging Ched not her
Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:50 pm
buckleys brewery wrote:He'll be mad to get back in to football. fans will rip him to shreads. What's always puzzled me though, is how the other fella got off scott free.
This is the huge talking point as the prosecutor said she was unable to consent based in CCTV footage outside the hotel yet that was also before McDonald had sex with her yet he got off free??? That just doesn't add up for me
I'm not saying he did or didn't do it but to say she was too intoxicated to consent before they entered the hotel all together would mean that she could not consent for both sexual interactions which would mean both of them were guilty would it not??
I've read quite a bit about the case and still think something doesn't add up, very strange like I said if he is guilty then he got what he deserved but can't help feel something very fishy about that case
In terms of him returning to football, tough one but he's served the time which his all he is required to do so can't really stop him I suppose, guess it's up to the clubs that take him on isn't it
And likewise for international duty I'd rather him not play but as we've all said he's done his sentence, all be it if he is guilty a very small sentence so I don't see why he shouldn't return to that either would I be happy with it, don't think if really know until I seen him run out for wales tbh
Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:05 pm
This is a website all about the case etc
Very interesting & gives a greater insight into the case well from Ched Evans supporters.
http://www.chedevans.com/the-disputed-tweets
Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:04 pm
Don't know the details but she obviously went back to the hotel room for a reason. He didn't drag her back there did he?
Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:57 pm
nubbsy wrote:Don't know the details but she obviously went back to the hotel room for a reason. He didn't drag her back there did he?
You clearly don't know the details. She was incapacitated by alcohol which is the reason a guilty verdict was returned. She couldn't consent.
Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:12 pm
Cardiff dyskinesia wrote:nubbsy wrote:Don't know the details but she obviously went back to the hotel room for a reason. He didn't drag her back there did he?
You clearly don't know the details. She was incapacitated by alcohol which is the reason a guilty verdict was returned. She couldn't consent.
Have you seen this ?
http://www.chedevans.com/judge-for-yourself was she really "incapacitated" ?
Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:35 am
RFMH wrote:Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.
Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.
What a load of shite, clearly deluded and zero knowledge which is sadder. Basing knowledge on an extremely questionanle conviction. Besped on your intelect you shouldn't be allowed to so your job
Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:53 am
RFMH wrote:Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.
Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.
What a load of shite, clearly deluded and zero knowledge which is sadder. Basing knowledge on an extremely questionable conviction given a split verdict on the co accused. Based on your intelect, you shouldn't be allowed to judge others, why dont you just assume you dont know the full facts, oh thats right, you already did and judged irresoective
Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:22 am
Ched done his time, is extremely unlikely to re-offend so now he gets on with his career and good luck to him.
Women should identify risks better, I have 2 daughters and when they grow-up to be women, I expect them to identify risks..Going out and meeting strange men in hotel rooms is increasing or decreasing your safety as a woman? hmmm
Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:50 am
jhippno wrote:RFMH wrote:Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.
Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.
What a load of shite, clearly deluded and zero knowledge which is sadder. Basing knowledge on an extremely questionable conviction given a split verdict on the co accused. Based on your intelect, you shouldn't be allowed to judge others, why dont you just assume you dont know the full facts, oh thats right, you already did and judged irresoective
jhippno wrote:i think most people on this board by the precedent set in this case are rapists (including myself)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=149209&pBeing judged by someone who admits to being a rapist.
Ched Evans is a rapist, all you rape apologists change nothing about that no matter how much you try and justify it or blame the victim.
Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:20 am
100% wouldn't want him at my club.
Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:50 am
If he did sign for cardiff,id avoid wearing a short skirt and revealing top to the player of the year bash.
You cant be too carefull fellas
Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:20 am
Cardiff dyskinesia wrote:nubbsy wrote:Don't know the details but she obviously went back to the hotel room for a reason. He didn't drag her back there did he?
You clearly don't know the details. She was incapacitated by alcohol which is the reason a guilty verdict was returned. She couldn't consent.
I would be a very annoyed if my daughter was going to hotel rooms with two strange men at that time of night.
Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:50 am
Looking at the video of her entering the hotel she was not drunk at that point so unless they had drinks in the room she was well sober enough to say no
Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:13 am
100% I believe Ched is innocent.
I would welcome him at City or Wales - or even both.
This isn't about 2nd chances, because all he did was cheated on his girlfriend - something thousands of people do every day. But he did not rape anyone.
I hope justice is done.
Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:32 pm
So she was too pissed to say No to one guy but still pissed enough to say yes to the 1st one ..... hmmmm , Evans wasn't exactly hiding in bushes wearing a balaclava and stalking female prey was he ? I have no problems with him returning to a football club and indeed his country Wales . If it divides fans then so what ...... just look at CCFC for fan division !
More of these women who lure men back then turn the tables on them need to take a good hard look at themselves as to why and what they were doing in the 1st place !
Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:39 pm
RFMH wrote:jhippno wrote:RFMH wrote:Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.
Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.
What a load of shite, clearly deluded and zero knowledge which is sadder. Basing knowledge on an extremely questionable conviction given a split verdict on the co accused. Based on your intelect, you shouldn't be allowed to judge others, why dont you just assume you dont know the full facts, oh thats right, you already did and judged irresoective
jhippno wrote:i think most people on this board by the precedent set in this case are rapists (including myself)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=149209&pBeing judged by someone who admits to being a rapist.
Ched Evans is a rapist, all you rape apologists change nothing about that no matter how much you try and justify it or blame the victim.
What a f*cking moron. With comments like yours I would doubt whether you have the intelligence to even tie your own shoelaces.
First watch the video which shows the supposedly pissed female when they arrive at the hotel. No way is she too drunk to consent. Then look at the tweets. If you can get your little peabrain around this you might understand that it is all about how much the tart can get in compensation. There was no rape, just a jury falling for a sob story.
Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:47 pm
annis,you have to draw a line somewhere.....whats your view on a paedophile playing for city if he has served his time...?...for me some people have no place in society...whether they have done the time or not..
Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:06 pm
Stan_B wrote:RFMH wrote:jhippno wrote:RFMH wrote:Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.
Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.
What a load of shite, clearly deluded and zero knowledge which is sadder. Basing knowledge on an extremely questionable conviction given a split verdict on the co accused. Based on your intelect, you shouldn't be allowed to judge others, why dont you just assume you dont know the full facts, oh thats right, you already did and judged irresoective
jhippno wrote:i think most people on this board by the precedent set in this case are rapists (including myself)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=149209&pBeing judged by someone who admits to being a rapist.
Ched Evans is a rapist, all you rape apologists change nothing about that no matter how much you try and justify it or blame the victim.
What a f*cking moron. With comments like yours I would doubt whether you have the intelligence to even tie your own shoelaces.
First watch the video which shows the supposedly pissed female when they arrive at the hotel. No way is she too drunk to consent. Then look at the tweets. If you can get your little peabrain around this you might understand that it is all about how much the tart can get in compensation. There was no rape, just a jury falling for a sob story.
Ched Evans - convicted rapist, Stan_B rape apologist. Both disgusting.
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