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" I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:05 am

I wrote this piece yesterday afternoon for the Echo ahead of the shocking performance against Blackpool.


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-7881198 :thumbup:

I have said Slade would not have been my choice of manager but what he can offer is 19 years experience of managing.



What I will agree with Tan about is what he said in a recent television interview about giving Slade a chance.

The choice could have been easy for Tan.

He could have tried to bring in a big name but I am not sure if that would have been the right direction to go in.

Popular former players who are household names don’t always work, to which Solskjaer was testament.



http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-7881198

Time will tell as always, but I really do hope that Slade can achieve big things and that he gets the backing of the fans from the start.

Re: I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:13 am

If he is to be given a full chance then fair enough.
But if he is to be a yes man and a puppet for Tans String control, then hello league 1 :ayatollah:

Re: I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:18 am

I agree we need Stability, but I honestly cant see Russell Slade being the answer.
But I will give him a chance. :ayatollah:

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:22 am

Slade and the boys will get my backing but we need to improve big time

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:26 am

carlccfc wrote:I wrote this piece yesterday afternoon for the Echo ahead of the shocking performance against Blackpool.


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-7881198 :thumbup:

I have said Slade would not have been my choice of manager but what he can offer is 19 years experience of managing.



What I will agree with Tan about is what he said in a recent television interview about giving Slade a chance.

The choice could have been easy for Tan.

He could have tried to bring in a big name but I am not sure if that would have been the right direction to go in.

Popular former players who are household names don’t always work, to which Solskjaer was testament.



http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-7881198

Time will tell as always, but I really do hope that Slade can achieve big things and that he gets the backing of the fans from the start.



Bang on Carl :) He needs to take these players abroad during the international break & get their fitness levels up. Some team bonding is needed & try and cut the players he doesn't want. Too many players in the squad for my liking. Ill back Slade 100% but feel that fans wont give him much time if he doesn't start well. Myself included probably....

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:50 am

Can see the logic and hope they have got it right - he will get my support.

On the basis of what I have seen this season, Slade has his work cut out. Lets hope he can turn a great squad on paper to a decent looking team on the pitch.

Slad has one advantage - surely we can only improve??

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:57 am

Hopefully Slade is a manager who will insist on high level of fitness, take no crap from the players and install confidence. What we also need week in week out is a regular settled team.

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:59 am

we are the Championship version of an extremely limp Tottenham Hotspur...bloated squad of players all about the same level as each other, goalkeeper being the best player ;)

not one star outfield player to build a team around and play to get the best out of that particular player.

Also it's terrible miss-management not to build a team around Guerra, best finisher in the squad, but with that midfield behind him would of struggled to get goals

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:11 am

Are we not avoiding the issue here gentlemen ?!!

The issue is surely not one of giving Slade a chance , the issue is Tan , the cancer that is destroying Cardiff City !?

For some , whoever Tan appoints , lets not be patronised with him not having been involved with the OGS ' appointment, will not be viewed positively !

Whilst Tan remains involved with Cardiff City the malaise will continue !

The fan base needs to grow a collective pair of balls and actively campaign for the sale of the club & thereby removal of Vincent Tan !

We need to target Tan at every opportunity , Tan Out banners , anti-Tan rhetoric at games , a walkout at the Forest match & a boycott of the Rotherham fixture on 6/12 !

With Tan at the helm Cardiff City Football Club is a terminally ill entity , free falling into football oblivion !

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:14 am

Totally disagree. Yes a big household name didn't work, in fact it was a complete disaster that has severely damaged the club. But the right appointment would have given us a chance to turn things around. I can't see how careering from one extreme to the next - household name with little experience to experienced but at lower levels - is a wiser choice than somebody with a track record e.g. Pulis, Hughton, Lennon or even someone from abroad.

Even then what about young managers who are building good reputstions - Howe or Robinson.

Of course we may not have got any of them but we could have tried. We didn't even interview ffs.

Slade is a huge gamble, just as big if not bigger than Ole who had at least some success with Molde. The truth is he's a cheap option, both in salary and in the hope he can wheel and deal and get players in for next to nothing. But what players will he be able to attract?

We have missed a fantastic opportunity and our season is a write off.

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:17 am

For all Malky's faults, what he did give us was a very fit team that gave 110% for ninety mins. When we won the league we were certainly not pretty, but the effort put in carried us through.
That is what Blackpool showed us yesterday too.

If our team works as hard as Blackpool did we will go from strength to strength......


But it's a big IF.....

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:25 am

thatsthewaywelikeit wrote:
carlccfc wrote:I wrote this piece yesterday afternoon for the Echo ahead of the shocking performance against Blackpool.


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-7881198 :thumbup:

I have said Slade would not have been my choice of manager but what he can offer is 19 years experience of managing.



What I will agree with Tan about is what he said in a recent television interview about giving Slade a chance.

The choice could have been easy for Tan.

He could have tried to bring in a big name but I am not sure if that would have been the right direction to go in.

Popular former players who are household names don’t always work, to which Solskjaer was testament.



http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-7881198

Time will tell as always, but I really do hope that Slade can achieve big things and that he gets the backing of the fans from the start.



Bang on Carl :) He needs to take these players abroad during the international break & get their fitness levels up. Some team bonding is needed & try and cut the players he doesn't want. Too many players in the squad for my liking. Ill back Slade 100% but feel that fans wont give him much time if he doesn't start well. Myself included probably....

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Take them abroad!!!! so reward these wasters for that cringe worthy performance last night??? the brecon beacons is more than good enough for this rabble.

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:35 am

I think the real question here is WILL VT give Russell Slade a chance because we ALL know that in his own head, VT that is, if he puts up the money then that and that alone will get the team promoted.

In the week where he has again gone on record to have a go at the achievement of MM, again bleating about people not asking what would have happened if VT had not put the money in etc, he has again only demonstrated just how big an ego he has.

Money helps in football, there can be no doubt about that, but you also need to have the right manager and what MM achieved in not only delivering promotion, but also winning the League, cannot simply be put down to money. If that were the case the money given to OGS should have seen us comfortably at the top of the league, even after just 11 games, but sadly we have a squad devoid of confidence, passion and desire ALL characteristics which MM teams have in abundance.

We now move on to Russell Slade, and I wish him the very best of luck, and with automatic promotion already just a pipe dream let's hope he can get us in with a shout at the playoffs. One thing I believe is certain and that's our fans will realise that Russell Slade has picked up a poisened chalice and he has a massive job to get us involved in a playoff push.

VT on the other hand thinks I've put my money in so there is no reason not to get promoted. Well with the complete mess OGS has made of this squad It's you Vinnie who may have to give RS the chance and not the fans.


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Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:39 am

Pullis was the man we needed, he sorted Palaces mess in two games!!!

I'll support Slade though !!!

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:01 am

castleblue wrote:I think the real question here is WILL VT give Russell Slade a chance because we ALL know that in his own head, VT that is, if he puts up the money then that and that alone will get the team promoted.

In the week where he has again gone on record to have a go at the achievement of MM, again bleating about people not asking what would have happened if VT had not put the money in etc, he has again only demonstrated just how big an ego he has.

Money helps in football, there can be no doubt about that, but you also need to have the right manager and what MM achieved in not only delivering promotion, but also winning the League, cannot simply be put down to money. If that were the case the money given to OGS should have seen us comfortably at the top of the league, even after just 11 games, but sadly we have a squad devoid of confidence, passion and desire ALL characteristics which MM teams have in abundance.

We now move on to Russell Slade, and I wish him the very best of luck, and with automatic promotion already just a pipe dream let's hope he can get us in with a shout at the playoffs. One thing I believe is certain and that's our fans will realise that Russell Slade has picked up a poisened chalice and he has a massive job to get us involved in a playoff push.

VT on the other hand thinks I've put my money in so there is no reason not to get promoted. Well with the complete mess OGS has made of this squad It's you Vinnie who may have to give RS the chance and not the fans.


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Good post! :thumbup:

I am guessing that Tan is more than a little frustrated at the lack of appreciation from the more vocal amongst the City fans that the promotion would not have occurred without his cash injection and support for the players Malky brought in

I can, to an extent, appreciate that but he needs to remember he hardly enamoured himself to the City faithful after his arrival by changing the colours in such a dictatorial way

People know I am not as anti-Tan as others and can appreciate the fact that of it weren't for him and his money there was a very good chance we would not be here now..and certainly not a club that had achieved the Premier League dream for even just one season

The facts are that Tan (metaphorically) supplied the building blocks, but it was Malky who built the wall and managed the squad to promotion, so BOTH played their part

But it does leave me thinking that Tan (in the form of another manager) may well have got us promoted with the financial backing he provided, but also asking could Makly have got us promoted without Tan and his money??

His Watford experience says probably not, which leaves me thinking that maybe Tan has a little bit of a point when the more vocal City fans give him no credit on that particular issue

Just my humble opinion, of course! :thumbup:

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:20 am

thatsthewaywelikeit wrote:
carlccfc wrote:I wrote this piece yesterday afternoon for the Echo ahead of the shocking performance against Blackpool.


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-7881198 :thumbup:

I have said Slade would not have been my choice of manager but what he can offer is 19 years experience of managing.



What I will agree with Tan about is what he said in a recent television interview about giving Slade a chance.

The choice could have been easy for Tan.

He could have tried to bring in a big name but I am not sure if that would have been the right direction to go in.

Popular former players who are household names don’t always work, to which Solskjaer was testament.



http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-7881198

Time will tell as always, but I really do hope that Slade can achieve big things and that he gets the backing of the fans from the start.



Bang on Carl :) He needs to take these players abroad during the international break & get their fitness levels up. Some team bonding is needed & try and cut the players he doesn't want. Too many players in the squad for my liking. Ill back Slade 100% but feel that fans wont give him much time if he doesn't start well. Myself included probably....

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Why the hell should this bunch of gutless players be taken abroad?
Agree with getting the fitness levels up but we have a decent training ground, beaches, etc. take them up the Brecon Beacons ffs don't reward them with a glorified jolly to Spain.

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:49 am

Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:I think the real question here is WILL VT give Russell Slade a chance because we ALL know that in his own head, VT that is, if he puts up the money then that and that alone will get the team promoted.

In the week where he has again gone on record to have a go at the achievement of MM, again bleating about people not asking what would have happened if VT had not put the money in etc, he has again only demonstrated just how big an ego he has.

Money helps in football, there can be no doubt about that, but you also need to have the right manager and what MM achieved in not only delivering promotion, but also winning the League, cannot simply be put down to money. If that were the case the money given to OGS should have seen us comfortably at the top of the league, even after just 11 games, but sadly we have a squad devoid of confidence, passion and desire ALL characteristics which MM teams have in abundance.

We now move on to Russell Slade, and I wish him the very best of luck, and with automatic promotion already just a pipe dream let's hope he can get us in with a shout at the playoffs. One thing I believe is certain and that's our fans will realise that Russell Slade has picked up a poisened chalice and he has a massive job to get us involved in a playoff push.

VT on the other hand thinks I've put my money in so there is no reason not to get promoted. Well with the complete mess OGS has made of this squad It's you Vinnie who may have to give RS the chance and not the fans.


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Good post! :thumbup:

I am guessing that Tan is more than a little frustrated at the lack of appreciation from the more vocal amongst the City fans that the promotion would not have occurred without his cash injection and support for the players Malky brought in

I can, to an extent, appreciate that but he needs to remember he hardly enamoured himself to the City faithful after his arrival by changing the colours in such a dictatorial way

People know I am not as anti-Tan as others and can appreciate the fact that of it weren't for him and his money there was a very good chance we would not be here now..and certainly not a club that had achieved the Premier League dream for even just one season

The facts are that Tan (metaphorically) supplied the building blocks, but it was Malky who built the wall and managed the squad to promotion, so BOTH played their part

But it does leave me thinking that Tan (in the form of another manager) may well have got us promoted with the financial backing he provided, but also asking could Makly have got us promoted without Tan and his money??

His Watford experience says probably not, which leaves me thinking that maybe Tan has a little bit of a point when the more vocal City fans give him no credit on that particular issue

Just my humble opinion, of course! :thumbup:


:thumbright: Blaming Tan for changing the identity of the club is one thing but every time we have a poor run of football its the usual suspects then blame him for whats happening on the pitch. He got rid of the cancer in Ole and its going to take time to get this team fit let alone playing the football they are all capable of playing.

There are many great managers who started at lower leagues and yes we all are concerned as to why Slade, considering the success he has had, hasn't been given a chance earlier than now. At the end of the day every managerial appointment is a gamble, successful managers such as Brendan Rogers have had bad spells at some clubs so there aren't any guarantees and whilst I do believe that Pulis was the most likely manager out there capable of turning our fortunes around, we have to give Slade a chance and hope his much needed man management skills can have a positive affect and get these talented players playing again

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:51 am

Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:I think the real question here is WILL VT give Russell Slade a chance because we ALL know that in his own head, VT that is, if he puts up the money then that and that alone will get the team promoted.

In the week where he has again gone on record to have a go at the achievement of MM, again bleating about people not asking what would have happened if VT had not put the money in etc, he has again only demonstrated just how big an ego he has.

Money helps in football, there can be no doubt about that, but you also need to have the right manager and what MM achieved in not only delivering promotion, but also winning the League, cannot simply be put down to money. If that were the case the money given to OGS should have seen us comfortably at the top of the league, even after just 11 games, but sadly we have a squad devoid of confidence, passion and desire ALL characteristics which MM teams have in abundance.

We now move on to Russell Slade, and I wish him the very best of luck, and with automatic promotion already just a pipe dream let's hope he can get us in with a shout at the playoffs. One thing I believe is certain and that's our fans will realise that Russell Slade has picked up a poisened chalice and he has a massive job to get us involved in a playoff push.

VT on the other hand thinks I've put my money in so there is no reason not to get promoted. Well with the complete mess OGS has made of this squad It's you Vinnie who may have to give RS the chance and not the fans.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:






Good post! :thumbup:

I am guessing that Tan is more than a little frustrated at the lack of appreciation from the more vocal amongst the City fans that the promotion would not have occurred without his cash injection and support for the players Malky brought in

I can, to an extent, appreciate that but he needs to remember he hardly enamoured himself to the City faithful after his arrival by changing the colours in such a dictatorial way

People know I am not as anti-Tan as others and can appreciate the fact that of it weren't for him and his money there was a very good chance we would not be here now..and certainly not a club that had achieved the Premier League dream for even just one season

The facts are that Tan (metaphorically) supplied the building blocks, but it was Malky who built the wall and managed the squad to promotion, so BOTH played their part

But it does leave me thinking that Tan (in the form of another manager) may well have got us promoted with the financial backing he provided, but also asking could Makly have got us promoted without Tan and his money??

His Watford experience says probably not, which leaves me thinking that maybe Tan has a little bit of a point when the more vocal City fans give him no credit on that particular issue

Just my humble opinion, of course! :thumbup:


It is of course a marriage of both and it is difficult to achieve success in football without investment in the team and the team being properly organised.

After nearly 600 games as manager RS should know how to organise a team which with us at the moment should give us a step improvement. My biggest hope going forward is that with RS it is a common feature of his teams that the ball is moved quickly upfield, not route 1, but lots of pass and move with little or non of this passing the ball back and forth across the back 4.

It is going to be an interesting few months for us with what should be an easier run of fixtures than we have had in the first 11 games, although we probably won't get an easier ficture than last night, but you have to turn up and not wait until your a goal down before having a go.

Let's hope VT leaves RS alone to get on with his job.


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Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:09 am

bluelover wrote:
Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:I think the real question here is WILL VT give Russell Slade a chance because we ALL know that in his own head, VT that is, if he puts up the money then that and that alone will get the team promoted.

In the week where he has again gone on record to have a go at the achievement of MM, again bleating about people not asking what would have happened if VT had not put the money in etc, he has again only demonstrated just how big an ego he has.

Money helps in football, there can be no doubt about that, but you also need to have the right manager and what MM achieved in not only delivering promotion, but also winning the League, cannot simply be put down to money. If that were the case the money given to OGS should have seen us comfortably at the top of the league, even after just 11 games, but sadly we have a squad devoid of confidence, passion and desire ALL characteristics which MM teams have in abundance.

We now move on to Russell Slade, and I wish him the very best of luck, and with automatic promotion already just a pipe dream let's hope he can get us in with a shout at the playoffs. One thing I believe is certain and that's our fans will realise that Russell Slade has picked up a poisened chalice and he has a massive job to get us involved in a playoff push.

VT on the other hand thinks I've put my money in so there is no reason not to get promoted. Well with the complete mess OGS has made of this squad It's you Vinnie who may have to give RS the chance and not the fans.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:






Good post! :thumbup:

I am guessing that Tan is more than a little frustrated at the lack of appreciation from the more vocal amongst the City fans that the promotion would not have occurred without his cash injection and support for the players Malky brought in

I can, to an extent, appreciate that but he needs to remember he hardly enamoured himself to the City faithful after his arrival by changing the colours in such a dictatorial way

People know I am not as anti-Tan as others and can appreciate the fact that of it weren't for him and his money there was a very good chance we would not be here now..and certainly not a club that had achieved the Premier League dream for even just one season

The facts are that Tan (metaphorically) supplied the building blocks, but it was Malky who built the wall and managed the squad to promotion, so BOTH played their part

But it does leave me thinking that Tan (in the form of another manager) may well have got us promoted with the financial backing he provided, but also asking could Makly have got us promoted without Tan and his money??

His Watford experience says probably not, which leaves me thinking that maybe Tan has a little bit of a point when the more vocal City fans give him no credit on that particular issue

Just my humble opinion, of course! :thumbup:


:thumbright: Blaming Tan for changing the identity of the club is one thing but every time we have a poor run of football its the usual suspects then blame him for whats happening on the pitch. He got rid of the cancer in Ole and its going to take time to get this team fit let alone playing the football they are all capable of playing.

There are many great managers who started at lower leagues and yes we all are concerned as to why Slade, considering the success he has had, hasn't been given a chance earlier than now. At the end of the day every managerial appointment is a gamble, successful managers such as Brendan Rogers have had bad spells at some clubs so there aren't any guarantees and whilst I do believe that Pulis was the most likely manager out there capable of turning our fortunes around, we have to give Slade a chance and hope his much needed man management skills can have a positive affect and get these talented players playing again



Tan is the cancer at the club , he is a bumbling , mumbling ineffective owner who stumbles from one crisis to the next !

There is only one direction this club is headed until we campaign effectively & successfully , for a change of owner !

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:10 am

A lot of sensible posts here ( apart from coco's of course). Scott and Gabbs have proved they cannot handle the mess that the chosen one left behind so basically it's Slade or bust. Let's leave Tan out of it for a while, and concentrate on the team.

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:21 am

Colourblind wrote:A lot of sensible posts here ( apart from coco's of course). Scott and Gabbs have proved they cannot handle the mess that the chosen one left behind so basically it's Slade or bust. Let's leave Tan out of it for a while, and concentrate on the team.



Spoken like a true Tan- apologist!

You of course will appreciate , leaving Tan out of it and concentrating on the team, are factors inextricably linked , therein lies the problem !

Test your parachute C !

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:23 am

Bluebina wrote:Pullis was the man we needed, he sorted Palaces mess in two games!!!

I'll support Slade though !!!


Totally agree with this. :bluescarf:

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:44 am

Good to see an intelligent debate, with the obvious exception of Coco's drivel.

I accept Slade is a big gamble, but I think all manager appointments are somewhat of a gamble, history tells us this.
I just hope he can pull the squad together, get them fitter ( which is incredible really at this level, that they are not fit enough)
and demand some passion be felt and shown by them.If he does, the undoubted talent in the squad will then come through in the results. :thumbup:

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:19 am

Bobby Woodruff's long throw wrote:Good to see an intelligent debate, with the obvious exception of Coco's drivel.

I accept Slade is a big gamble, but I think all manager appointments are somewhat of a gamble, history tells us this.
I just hope he can pull the squad together, get them fitter ( which is incredible really at this level, that they are not fit enough)
and demand some passion be felt and shown by them.If he does, the undoubted talent in the squad will then come through in the results. :thumbup:


"Intelligent debate" & tolerance of Vincent Tan has produced the position we find ourselves in today !

In football freefall

£170,000,000 in debt - remind me please where we were when Tan became owner

An over-sized , unfit ( Yes I agree unfit - incredible ) under-achieving squad

Haemorrhaging fans , currently 10,000 down , with an empty red-elephant of a stand extension

A laughing stock nationally & internationally

The manager's door in no need of WD 40

A fan base with a large proportion disillusioned , both by the owner's stumbling actions , and his apologist blindfold acolytes

History is ..... today ,now .... happening over and over again ! One day what is happening at the CCS will be history and our grandchildren will ask us , Gramps , what did you do ?

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:57 pm

Coco wrote:
Bobby Woodruff's long throw wrote:Good to see an intelligent debate, with the obvious exception of Coco's drivel.

I accept Slade is a big gamble, but I think all manager appointments are somewhat of a gamble, history tells us this.
I just hope he can pull the squad together, get them fitter ( which is incredible really at this level, that they are not fit enough)
and demand some passion be felt and shown by them.If he does, the undoubted talent in the squad will then come through in the results. :thumbup:


"Intelligent debate" & tolerance of Vincent Tan has produced the position we find ourselves in today !

In football freefall

£170,000,000 in debt - remind me please where we were when Tan became owner

An over-sized , unfit ( Yes I agree unfit - incredible ) under-achieving squad

Haemorrhaging fans , currently 10,000 down , with an empty red-elephant of a stand extension

A laughing stock nationally & internationally

The manager's door in no need of WD 40

A fan base with a large proportion disillusioned , both by the owner's stumbling actions , and his apologist blindfold acolytes

History is ..... today ,now .... happening over and over again ! One day what is happening at the CCS will be history and our grandchildren will ask us , Gramps , what did you do ?


When Tan became owner we were about to be liquidated.Administration at best. We were fucked.

Agree on the squad. Tan gave him the money, he didn't buy well.........or so it seems at the moment, time will tell.

Haemorrhaging 10000 fans. Depends on where your coming from and how long you've been a city fan. to me we're up 10000+ fans. I've been down the city, when the nearest person for me to talk to was the bloody linesman!! :laughing6:

I don't in any way support the rebrand but FFS you can't blame him for players not performing. The money was put in to get us up. It was put in to keep us up and it's been put back in to get us up again. You can't really ask more. The board and Tan have not always chosen wisely re, managers, but that happens at every club as can be seen by all the sackings. We have the facilities to attract the best players and pay top wages. Surely it's not down to the owner to get the players focussed, fit and motivated to play for those huge wages?

Some of our fans are disillusioned, but a huge amount of that started with the Malky fiasco. If malky had bought wisely and not ripped us off and we were now mid prem league, would we be having this debate. I suspect not.

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:48 pm

I'm all for intelligent debate believe me , if you deal with the points I've raised above , then I'll continue to discuss those you make as opposed to spouting coco's drivel !

I was a fan of Malky because he ( along with Tan ) delivered the dream I'd chased since my first game , Bury 1974 , when you were probably chatting to the linesman !

He wasn't perfect by any means , but he made us competitive & delivered ! I didn't rate Medel at the money we paid for him , Caulker would still be in my team today as would Mutch ! With Cornelius the water is a little murkier for me , due to injury he never had a chance ,and we'll probably never know what he might have done for us ! I do think he was shipped out sharpish by Tan to prove a point ! I do maintain splashing £8m on him plus add-ons was a gamble , a gamble that didn't work , outlined above !

In all honesty , would MM have kept us up , we'll never know !? What is history , what is fact , is that OGS , didn't ! Tan has distanced himself from that appointment and dumped it on Dalman !

What I dislike about Tan , is that he removed a manager , who was doing a reasonable job ! Do you agree ?!? Replacing him , or if you like getting his lieutenant to replace him , with a man , who proved an abject disaster & has left a mammoth job for RS , or whoever to pick up ! That for me is historical fact !?

Tan wants the adulation of the fans ?!? There is a simple way he could've gone about that, saving the club full stop ! Instead he chose to tinker & treat the club , you and I have supported for decades as his own personal plaything without so much as one jot of respect for it's traditions , for you , for me or for any other fan who has spent countless hours & £1000s on following the Bluebirds ?!?

Tan thinks throwing his money at the club demands respect end of ! What for me , demands respect , is working with the fans , respecting what they respect and occasionally , just occasionally , putting his hand up and admitting he too , like Mackay , OGS, Dalman , Moodie , Lim, the players et al have all played a part in the position we now find ourselves in !

If he did that maybe , just maybe , you and I might not end up chatting to that linesman again !

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:31 pm

ThomasC wrote:we are the Championship version of an extremely limp Tottenham Hotspur...bloated squad of players all about the same level as each other, goalkeeper being the best player ;)

not one star outfield player to build a team around and play to get the best out of that particular player.

Also it's terrible miss-management not to build a team around Guerra, best finisher in the squad, but with that midfield behind him would of struggled to get goals



Why aren't Guerra and Cala in the squad???? lets hope Slade can sort em out and interpret them to the squad....

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:43 pm

Bluebina wrote:
ThomasC wrote:we are the Championship version of an extremely limp Tottenham Hotspur...bloated squad of players all about the same level as each other, goalkeeper being the best player ;)

not one star outfield player to build a team around and play to get the best out of that particular player.

Also it's terrible miss-management not to build a team around Guerra, best finisher in the squad, but with that midfield behind him would of struggled to get goals



Why aren't Guerra and Cala in the squad???? lets hope Slade can sort em out and interpret them to the squad....



Sorry intergrate them back into the squad, although Cala probably wouldn't make the team .......

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:24 pm

19 years of experience and Leyont Orient is the best he has on his CV.

But lets see how it goes, i hope for the best

Re: " I AGREE WITH TAN ON THIS "

Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:57 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ThomasC wrote:we are the Championship version of an extremely limp Tottenham Hotspur...bloated squad of players all about the same level as each other, goalkeeper being the best player ;)

not one star outfield player to build a team around and play to get the best out of that particular player.

Also it's terrible miss-management not to build a team around Guerra, best finisher in the squad, but with that midfield behind him would of struggled to get goals



Why aren't Guerra and Cala in the squad???? lets hope Slade can sort em out and interpret them to the squad....



Sorry intergrate them back into the squad, although Cala probably wouldn't make the team .......



It isn't just that Cala's been left out. There's something not quite right with him. Is he a bit difficult to deal with or does he have problems as a team player?? Something is going on in the background. Just a feeling.