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Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:07 pm

Daily Mail
Thursday 4th Sept 2014

Malky Mackay's apology had to be sincere and heartfelt - time will tell if it was enough

Ten of the 12 shocking text messages exposed by this newspaper were sent by former Cardiff colleague Iain Moody.

By STEPHEN MCGOWAN


First a declaration.
Malky Mackay is a man I have known and liked for 16 years.
To describe him as a personal friend would be stretching things but you take people as you find them.
In football, players are quick to take umbrage at negative writeups but, in 20 years as a journalist, Mackay remains the only one ever to utter a thank-you for a good one.

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In May, our professional acquaintance, stretching back to his days as a Celtic defender, prompted an invitation to the annual Scottish football writers' awards dinner.
Mackay and his father couldn't make it. If he had, some of those hammering him now would have been quick to shake his hand.
There comes a time, of course, when you simply cannot defend the indefensible.
Text messages of a gravely ill-judged, offensive nature have left Mackay clinging to his personal and professional reputation. His career is on the line.
People now ask openly if he can possibly hope to return to frontline management, while those of us who have always regarded him as a thoroughly decent man have a sense of unease over recent revelations.


Ten of the 12 shocking text messages exposed by this newspaper were sent by former Cardiff colleague Iain Moody.

Of 10,000 communications found on Moody's computer, Mackay last night admitted sending three. And three is too many.
One referred to 'fkn chinkys' in relation to his South Korean signing Kim Bo-Kyung. It was crass and degrading.
Another concerned football agent, Phil Smith, and was hurtful and anti-Semitic in nature.


To a public who previously regarded him as a solid citizen, Mackay is now tarnished. But the fact the texts are grossly at odds with his public persona make this a disturbingly sad story.

In a bid to stem the loss of blood, the League Managers Association issued a statement on Mackay's behalf. 'I'm sorry' might have sufficed but, instead, the texts were described by the usually slick LMA as 'friendly text-message banter'.
A poorer choice of words is hard to imagine. It suggested a casual, almost complacent, approach to racism in British football.
The LMA were, quite rightly, apologising for their apology.
There is now a long line of critics setting their sights on Mackay. Some branded him an 'abhorrent individual'. The vast majority of whom have never met him.


Shock: Moody, Crystal Palace's director of football and Mackay's former colleague, was also reported
Let's be clear.
There shouldn't be a person anywhere who thinks these texts deserve anything other than the deepest condemnation. The Glaswegian's exchanges with Iain Moody were at the extreme end of the scale, no question.
They will plague him for the rest of his days. Just ask Ron Atkinson.
Sacked last December, the former Celtic defender's first mistake was to become more popular than Cardiff owner Vincent Tan. His second was to pursue him for compensation.
Tan appeared to win that spat in May when Mackay issued an 'unreserved apology' for his role in his own sacking and dropped his compensation claim against the club.
From there, the Scot hoped both parties could move on. But Tan is clearly not a man to either forgive or forget.


He appears to have held the worst of the texts back as a loaded gun. And he fired the bullet in a missive to the Football Association the day before Mackay planned to become the new manager of Crystal Palace.

A coincidence? Possibly. But the problem for Mackay is that Tan is beginning to look like a wronged party in all of this. Like a reformed campaigner shining a light on the seedy underbelly of racism, sexism and homophobia in British football.

A cynic might see him as something else. They may see a rich man with a grudge who is nursing a vengeful desire to settle old scores and get his way at any cost. A dangerous adversary hellbent on destroying Mackay while taking Richard Bevan, the chief of the LMA, down as well.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:35 pm

Am I the only one who is losing interest in all this?

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:42 pm

The last paragraph appears to suggest that Tan has vengeance as his main motive.

While it is easy to make such assertions, it does not sit well with me, and in itself, is in danger of condoning MM's conduct in all this.

If the game is trying genuinely to give racism the red card, then trying to educate children (who in my experience are far more tolerant than people give them credit for), how can anyone deflect this and show MM as some sort of victim?

The real victims are every non-white, non-UK, non-heterosexual, non-male player, employee and fan of CCFC. the fact that his name is tarnished is his fault, but what is worse is the way it has harmed the club.

Just saying.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:44 pm

Time to move on for Cardiff city I think.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:08 pm

Denzil wrote:Time to move on for Cardiff city I think.



I agree Denzil, but as you can see, I'm not the OP.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:19 pm

Denzil wrote:Time to move on for Cardiff city I think.


Sorry Denzil, but i think this is just the "tip of the iceberg", & there's a lot more to come.

To suggest that we just move on from this, & other related matters, & just sweep them under the proverbial carpet,, in the forlorn hope that its all forgotten about, is only compounding the matters of fact!

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:25 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
Denzil wrote:Time to move on for Cardiff city I think.


Sorry Denzil, but i think this is just the "tip of the iceberg", & there's a lot more to come.

To suggest that we just move on from this, & other related matters, & just sweep them under the proverbial carpet,, in the forlorn hope that its all forgotten about, is only compounding the matters of fact!



Rick, I think your right, there is plenty more to come.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:36 pm

More to come with some very dodgy deals that will put the final nail in his coffin. I can't see him ever getting a job in football again.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:37 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Denzil wrote:Time to move on for Cardiff city I think.


Sorry Denzil, but i think this is just the "tip of the iceberg", & there's a lot more to come.

To suggest that we just move on from this, & other related matters, & just sweep them under the proverbial carpet,, in the forlorn hope that its all forgotten about, is only compounding the matters of fact!



Rick, I think your right, there is plenty more to come.


I don't want to sweep anything under the carpet, I just think we don't need any distractions at our club. We have lots of new players and a new manager, we just need to concentrate on city playing as well as they can. The back to blue is a distraction, but one we have to keep going.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:43 pm

he's sorry he got caught, when they release the other stuff he sent, i think it will get worse for mackay and moody.

at least the LMA have their back though ;)

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:50 pm

SwampCCFC wrote:he's sorry he got caught, when they release the other stuff he sent, i think it will get worse for mackay and moody.

at least the LMA have their back though ;)


I can only see it getting worse, stunned me, I was Malky through and through, I knew Moody had sent him a text/email but it looks like there is so much more to it, such a shame as Malky was up there with the best for me, all my respect for him has gone.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:12 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
SwampCCFC wrote:he's sorry he got caught, when they release the other stuff he sent, i think it will get worse for mackay and moody.

at least the LMA have their back though ;)


I can only see it getting worse, stunned me, I was Malky through and through, I knew Moody had sent him a text/email but it looks like there is so much more to it, such a shame as Malky was up there with the best for me, all my respect for him has gone.


same here mate.

not just what he did but the bungling, amateurish way the LMA (authorised by MM and moody) handled it, hoping the whole thing would blow over. they had a chance to show what they thought of racism etc and they responded by blindly defending one of their own, a terrible attitude shown by the LMA.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:53 pm

SwampCCFC wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
SwampCCFC wrote:he's sorry he got caught, when they release the other stuff he sent, i think it will get worse for mackay and moody.

at least the LMA have their back though ;)


I can only see it getting worse, stunned me, I was Malky through and through, I knew Moody had sent him a text/email but it looks like there is so much more to it, such a shame as Malky was up there with the best for me, all my respect for him has gone.


same here mate.

not just what he did but the bungling, amateurish way the LMA (authorised by MM and moody) handled it, hoping the whole thing would blow over. they had a chance to show what they thought of racism etc and they responded by blindly defending one of their own, a terrible attitude shown by the LMA.


They embarrassed themselves.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:17 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
SwampCCFC wrote:he's sorry he got caught, when they release the other stuff he sent, i think it will get worse for mackay and moody.

at least the LMA have their back though ;)


I can only see it getting worse, stunned me, I was Malky through and through, I knew Moody had sent him a text/email but it looks like there is so much more to it, such a shame as Malky was up there with the best for me, all my respect for him has gone.



Just hope that when it is sorted, the club can distance itself from the negativity. We've done nothing wrong after all.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:30 pm

Woodville Willie wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
SwampCCFC wrote:he's sorry he got caught, when they release the other stuff he sent, i think it will get worse for mackay and moody.

at least the LMA have their back though ;)


I can only see it getting worse, stunned me, I was Malky through and through, I knew Moody had sent him a text/email but it looks like there is so much more to it, such a shame as Malky was up there with the best for me, all my respect for him has gone.



Just hope that when it is sorted, the club can distance itself from the negativity. We've done nothing wrong after all.


I hope so too :thumbright: :thumbright:

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:34 pm

Still a huge shock to me. I met Malky a few times while he was with us and you'd never have guessed he was like that.

To think he had us all thinking he was completely innocent is just as bad.

If Nukes says there's more to come then I'll believe that, he's been spot on so far.

Just a huge shame, after all Malky was one of the best managers this club has had :(

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:52 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Still a huge shock to me. I met Malky a few times while he was with us and you'd never have guessed he was like that.

To think he had us all thinking he was completely innocent is just as bad.

If Nukes says there's more to come then I'll believe that, he's been spot on so far.

Just a huge shame, after all Malky was one of the best managers this club has had :(


Ned, I had a few conversations with him and I always thought he was straight talking and honest and sincere. Hmm?

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:11 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Denzil wrote:Time to move on for Cardiff city I think.


Sorry Denzil, but i think this is just the "tip of the iceberg", & there's a lot more to come.

To suggest that we just move on from this, & other related matters, & just sweep them under the proverbial carpet,, in the forlorn hope that its all forgotten about, is only compounding the matters of fact!



Rick, I think your right, there is plenty more to come.


Like more text messages or what??

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:20 pm

Swear there was meant to be more revelations on the Sunday. I just want more to be released, great seeing a man who was so highly regarded here having his reputation tarnished. People can call for him to be banned but the chief of the Prem wasn't relieved of his duties for similar comments! Not that the ban will mean anything. Malky is done in British football because of the baggage that comes with him now. You look at his apology on SSNHQ and you know he regrets it, you know that he'll never get a job here again because no club will want the negative press around him.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:32 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:Swear there was meant to be more revelations on the Sunday. I just want more to be released, great seeing a man who was so highly regarded here having his reputation tarnished. People can call for him to be banned but the chief of the Prem wasn't relieved of his duties for similar comments! Not that the ban will mean anything. Malky is done in British football because of the baggage that comes with him now. You look at his apology on SSNHQ and you know he regrets it, you know that he'll never get a job here again because no club will want the negative press around him.


I don't get how this is great to see?

More will be revealed, but that's not good.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:36 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:Swear there was meant to be more revelations on the Sunday. I just want more to be released, great seeing a man who was so highly regarded here having his reputation tarnished. People can call for him to be banned but the chief of the Prem wasn't relieved of his duties for similar comments! Not that the ban will mean anything. Malky is done in British football because of the baggage that comes with him now. You look at his apology on SSNHQ and you know he regrets it, you know that he'll never get a job here again because no club will want the negative press around him.


I don't get how this is great to see?

More will be revealed, but that's not good.

Because I knew Malky was a media minipulator(I didn't know of his scandal) but he played us like fools and knew exactly what he was doing. I don't like the bloke and I revel in seeing this man lose any respectability he had in the game

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:49 pm

the text's where one thing, which as disgusting as they where, were not as bad as the way he treated ibby farah, apprently all the rasict remarks to him, and the coaching staff laughing....thats what i refuse to forgive.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:54 pm

Oh dear Malky. :shock:

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:18 pm

If there was more to come out I think it would be out by now....... Tan isn't going to keep more to himself to release at a later date, especially if it's financial ie bungs etc.
Shame that a few weeks on so many people are still slagging him off and stating 'there's more to come' when basically they know F##K all.
As for 'finished in football' 'never get a job here again' .....watch this space, he will be back in English football and probably sooner than you all think!!!!! That makes me sound like I'm ITK just like so many know alls on here......I'm not but this is football and worse things than this have happened and people still work in our league.... John Terry and Louis Suarez to name 2.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:27 pm

Malky awaits a year from hell!!
Controversial headlines sell papers. Unfortunately for Malky and Moody, the whole sordid affair will b 'drip fed' to us for the remainder of the year! If u think we av learned the real truth yet, we most def avent. I just hope this don't take president over more important matters...... Cardiff City, the team and our push for promotion! :bluescarf: :ole:

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:02 pm

talataylor wrote:If there was more to come out I think it would be out by now....... Tan isn't going to keep more to himself to release at a later date, especially if it's financial ie bungs etc.
Shame that a few weeks on so many people are still slagging him off and stating 'there's more to come' when basically they know F##K all.
As for 'finished in football' 'never get a job here again' .....watch this space, he will be back in English football and probably sooner than you all think!!!!! That makes me sound like I'm ITK just like so many know alls on here......I'm not but this is football and worse things than this have happened and people still work in our league.... John Terry and Louis Suarez to name 2.

You can't compare players who are still playing compared to a manager. A manager is someone who is a flag bearer who is meant to control a squad of players. It's completely different from being a player. A player can go to another club and they'll play him, Terry and Suarez still play and are good at football. Malky on the other hand is unemployed and the findings have come out, whilst unemployed. He is finished.

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Woodville Willie wrote:The last paragraph appears to suggest that Tan has vengeance as his main motive.

While it is easy to make such assertions, it does not sit well with me, and in itself, is in danger of condoning MM's conduct in all this.

If the game is trying genuinely to give racism the red card, then trying to educate children (who in my experience are far more tolerant than people give them credit for), how can anyone deflect this and show MM as some sort of victim?

The real victims are every non-white, non-UK, non-heterosexual, non-male player, employee and fan of CCFC. the fact that his name is tarnished is his fault, but what is worse is the way it has harmed the club.

Just saying.




I tend to agree :thumbup:

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:59 am

Sven wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:The last paragraph appears to suggest that Tan has vengeance as his main motive.

While it is easy to make such assertions, it does not sit well with me, and in itself, is in danger of condoning MM's conduct in all this.

If the game is trying genuinely to give racism the red card, then trying to educate children (who in my experience are far more tolerant than people give them credit for), how can anyone deflect this and show MM as some sort of victim?

The real victims are every non-white, non-UK, non-heterosexual, non-male player, employee and fan of CCFC. the fact that his name is tarnished is his fault, but what is worse is the way it has harmed the club.

Just saying.




I tend to agree :thumbup:


Cheers Sven. :thumbup:

Re: Was Malkys apology sincere enough?

Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:58 pm

An apology? He apologised?

It was nothing short of pathetic. He was all brave to come and defend himself but I was disgusted.