To Those Who Don't Care If We Are In Div 3

I want us to return to blue. Unlike some, I wouldn't want to return to blue if it meant playing in the lower divisions again.
The gap between the "haves and the have nots" in football is growing each year. There is not a level playing field in British football. More and more money is being taken from the lower leagues, while those in the Premier league get rich beyond their wildest dreams.
This gap will continue to grow, and those teams in the lower leagues will fall further and further behind the top teams as far as finances are concerned, and in effect can forget about ever competing in the top division. Look at how much we have just earned for finishing bottom of the Premier League. We start this season with an immediate advantage over most championship sides, and this discrepancy in finances will continue to grow over the coming years.
As less money becomes available to teams at the wrong end of the Football League, some will no longer be able to continue as they are, and will have to play on a semi-professional basis. If we drop down the divisions, it won't be a case of rebuilding from scratch and eventually getting back to the top. It will more likely be us playing Newport, Hartlepool etc. in front of 3000 fans for ever, dreaming of the money that the top clubs are getting every year.
Swansea will have masses of money and will get richer and richer for each year they stay at the top, and we will be the poor small team down the road envious of their fixture list, and their gates of 25,000.
The Liberty Stadium will have to have it's capacity increased, because future S Wales supporters are going to want to watch Arsenal, Man City and the likes, not Gillingham or Fleetwood at our ground.
I want blue back, but not if it means watching us again at the bottom of the league where the only noise in the ground comes from the players on the pitch, and seeing Swansea become so much bigger than us, that even their reserve team would comfortably beat our first team.

for some people, the sense of belonging and mixing with a smaller group of fans is what they go to football for. the spectacle / league itself is not important, hence why they look upon the dark days of division 4 with nostalgia.

those tuesday nights with 50 people going up to rotherham, those were the days, that sort of thing. football has moved on, but they cling onto the past. nothing wrong with that, but i suspect they would like us back in division 4 as it would purge the club of the new breed of fans.

We're in division two

Thankfully these idiots are few and far between.

Wow! This looks like great ammunition for trolls, which would be fine if it was wholly accurate.

It is true that the gap between the top and bottom is widening in terms of income and, as a result, the signings they are able to pull off.

The trouble is that you seem to be suggesting that the result of a return to blue can only be achieved by sacrificing league standing. This, in my opinion, is way wide of the mark. The truth is that as long as Tan is in charge, the only way he will look at a return to blue is if promotion is achieved, so this is the opposite to your interpretation.

I don't want to watch my team in the lower leagues, so we need to make sure we don't slip.

Just saying.

Wow! This looks like great ammunition for trolls, which would be fine if it was wholly accurate.

It is true that the gap between the top and bottom is widening in terms of income and, as a result, the signings they are able to pull off.

The trouble is that you seem to be suggesting that the result of a return to blue can only be achieved by sacrificing league standing. This, in my opinion, is way wide of the mark. The truth is that as long as Tan is in charge, the only way he will look at a return to blue is if promotion is achieved, so this is the opposite to your interpretation.

I don't want to watch my team in the lower leagues, so we need to make sure we don't slip.

Just saying.

Apologies if I came across as suggesting we can only return to blue by sacrificing our league position. Did'nt mean it to sound this way. Obviously, I would like to return to blue tomorrow, and return to the Premier League next season so that we don't get left behind in the financial stakes. What I was trying to say is that whereas some fans would take relegation if it meant getting blue back, I am not in their camp. I think that teams in the bottom two divisions in around 4 or 5 years time will never get close to the PL because of the huge discrepancy in available money. Would'nt want to see us in that position, watching Swansea becoming the giants of Welsh Football while we become more like Newport.

Most of us seem to want to be back in blue, and most of us want to be as high up the leagues as possible. All we can do is support Cardiff City. Promotion and relegation is part of football. Nothing we can do about Swansea, either, apart from try to beat them when we play them. Otherwise, don't worry about them. They're forty miles away! Not as if we're sharing the same city. Some overlap, but largely different fanbases.

Most of us seem to want to be back in blue, and most of us want to be as high up the leagues as possible. All we can do is support Cardiff City. Promotion and relegation is part of football. Nothing we can do about Swansea, either, apart from try to beat them when we play them. Otherwise, don't worry about them. They're forty miles away! Not as if we're sharing the same city. Some overlap, but largely different fanbases.

My worry would be if we got relegated we will be left behind as far all the additional revenue is concerned, and will never be in a position to have sufficient clout to get close to the top division again. New young supporters become interested in the game every year, and they may be more inclined to follow Swansea at the top, rather than us further down. All "ifs", and hopefully will never happen. Just my reply to those who have said they will take relegation if it means a return to blue.

We will never be a poor division 3 side again.

These sides are poor because they have poor stadiums poor investment poor areas.
Our stadium was just used to Host the Super Cup

We have a whole host of investment plusses.
*Prime Location Capital City
*Easy access in and out of Cardiff both nationwide and internationally
*Great surrounding area with lots of tourist facility such as shopping, restaurant's and more.

Cardiff is a wealthy City in itself it makes sense on business terms to invest in a franchise in such a connected city

Fans expect it to be like how it was before, but it won't be. We'll just be playing weaker opposition and playing in a league where we shouldn't be. Thus underachieving. I don't get why fans want to see their own club underachieve

Wow! This looks like great ammunition for trolls, which would be fine if it was wholly accurate.

It is true that the gap between the top and bottom is widening in terms of income and, as a result, the signings they are able to pull off.

The trouble is that you seem to be suggesting that the result of a return to blue can only be achieved by sacrificing league standing. This, in my opinion, is way wide of the mark. The truth is that as long as Tan is in charge, the only way he will look at a return to blue is if promotion is achieved, so this is the opposite to your interpretation.

I don't want to watch my team in the lower leagues, so we need to make sure we don't slip.

Just saying.

Apologies if I came across as suggesting we can only return to blue by sacrificing our league position. Did'nt mean it to sound this way. Obviously, I would like to return to blue tomorrow, and return to the Premier League next season so that we don't get left behind in the financial stakes. What I was trying to say is that whereas some fans would take relegation if it meant getting blue back, I am not in their camp. I think that teams in the bottom two divisions in around 4 or 5 years time will never get close to the PL because of the huge discrepancy in available money. Would'nt want to see us in that position, watching Swansea becoming the giants of Welsh Football while we become more like Newport.

After re-reading your original post, I understand what you are trying to get at. It's just the mention of our noisy neighbours that got me fired up! However, if the thought of allowing them to become bigger than us isn't an incentive to fight for promotion, I don't know what is!

Don't worry though, it just won't happen because of infrastructure, location and fan base.

We will never be a poor division 3 side again.

These sides are poor because they have poor stadiums poor investment poor areas.
Our stadium was just used to Host the Super Cup

We have a whole host of investment plusses.
*Prime Location Capital City
*Easy access in and out of Cardiff both nationwide and internationally
*Great surrounding area with lots of tourist facility such as shopping, restaurant's and more.

Cardiff is a wealthy City in itself it makes sense on business terms to invest in a franchise in such a connected city

sorry a lot of lower league clubs have or are having new stadiums! one reasons they are poor is that they are in low catchment area and because of bigger neighbours, and fact they are in lower league watching inferior players compared to champ? city could have same problem if in div2? as crowd will fall dramatically less money for good players ect ect, (IMPORTANTLY) up to tan not one wealthy person or similar has come into city in past 44yrs, why would they come in at all if in lower league! slightly deluded if think someone will invest just because we are what you suggest.

It was never about the football in the dungeon. It was the craic. Booze, trouble, camaraderie, drugs for some all enhanced due to the passing of time.

The ten years or so since promotion into the top two leagues and there has been some changes. Football banning orders, OTT sentencing, coppers with umpteen hand held video recorders, CCTV, better designed stadiums, women and kids at grounds ect....

It would be about the football, which would be shit, because every city fan nowadays is a tactical genius with high teen bleep test results and can do better than the manger, coach, players and physio.......

It wouldn't be a laugh because you get away with things in the lower leagues because we are and will always be Cardiff City !!!!

Which generally means RV points or bubbles

I support the team,not the f*cking league we are in..

I don't get why fans want to see their own club underachieve

I don't get why fans want to see their own club in alien colours and with an alien crest of a dragon, not a bluebird.

I don't get why fans want to see their own club underachieve

I don't get why fans want to see their own club in alien colours and with an alien crest of a dragon, not a bluebird.

I get it, its because they have never known any diffrent hence new breed of fan in most cases

I don't get why fans want to see their own club underachieve

I don't get why fans want to see their own club in alien colours and with an alien crest of a dragon, not a bluebird.

I get it, its because they have never known any diffrent hence new breed of fan in most cases

I dont get it when fans want their own club to fail?

I don't get why fans want to see their own club underachieve

I don't get why fans want to see their own club in alien colours and with an alien crest of a dragon, not a bluebird.

I get it, its because they have never known any diffrent hence new breed of fan in most cases

I dont get it when fans want their own club to fail?

Who are these fans

We will never be a poor division 3 side again.

These sides are poor because they have poor stadiums poor investment poor areas.
Our stadium was just used to Host the Super Cup

We have a whole host of investment plusses.
*Prime Location Capital City
*Easy access in and out of Cardiff both nationwide and internationally
*Great surrounding area with lots of tourist facility such as shopping, restaurant's and more.

Cardiff is a wealthy City in itself it makes sense on business terms to invest in a franchise in such a connected city

Why did it take so long for us to gain a owner willing to support the club then?

We've been the capital for a long time, had the same access for years, and the city has progressed within terms of infrastructure at the same rate as cities on its size level.

Darlington had a very nice 20,000 odd seater stadium, but the lower they went the less crowd they had, without a decent league position in a decent league, the stadium soon becomes a white elephant.

I was reading a report,cant member if it was on the web or flicking through some sporting magazine, but the short of it is in the future a lot of lower league clubs will play in the colours of their sponsors and the traditional kit colours will be no more. Money talks and to a lot of clubs this cash could mean survival or going bust if they don't grab the cash. Would you accept your club take this cash if it meant your club stay in business. City by taking Tans cash and staying in business fell into this category.While we would love to play in the traditional BLUE, the red kit was one of the knife in the stomach things we had to accept. Until City are bought with a chairman with large funds and I mean billionaire amount of cash who have Cardiff City traditions at heart,we will always be a rich mans play thing , and he will do as he wishes. I can only hope he comes around and listens to the fans concerns ,but after all this time I just can't see this changing . So for now we as fans if your like me just need to get behind the team every week, sing your heart out for the lads because fate is inexorable and non of us know what's around the corner. I believe deep down no one wants a return to the lower leagues even if it means we play in blue, and I would just hate to go back to those old days,but I also dread the thought of staying at the top table of football playing in red. The experiment failed,time for a re think. As for the red kit ,I just remember my red city top with South Wales Echo on the front because at the time it was uncool to wear a blue home top, now that was a time when the red kit was lucky.

It was never about the football in the dungeon. It was the craic. Booze, trouble, camaraderie, drugs for some all enhanced due to the passing of time.

^This!

spot on!

I want us to return to blue. Unlike some, I wouldn't want to return to blue if it meant playing in the lower divisions again.
The gap between the "haves and the have nots" in football is growing each year. There is not a level playing field in British football. More and more money is being taken from the lower leagues, while those in the Premier league get rich beyond their wildest dreams.
This gap will continue to grow, and those teams in the lower leagues will fall further and further behind the top teams as far as finances are concerned, and in effect can forget about ever competing in the top division. Look at how much we have just earned for finishing bottom of the Premier League. We start this season with an immediate advantage over most championship sides, and this discrepancy in finances will continue to grow over the coming years.
As less money becomes available to teams at the wrong end of the Football League, some will no longer be able to continue as they are, and will have to play on a semi-professional basis. If we drop down the divisions, it won't be a case of rebuilding from scratch and eventually getting back to the top. It will more likely be us playing Newport, Hartlepool etc. in front of 3000 fans for ever, dreaming of the money that the top clubs are getting every year.
Swansea will have masses of money and will get richer and richer for each year they stay at the top, and we will be the poor small team down the road envious of their fixture list, and their gates of 25,000.
The Liberty Stadium will have to have it's capacity increased, because future S Wales supporters are going to want to watch Arsenal, Man City and the likes, not Gillingham or Fleetwood at our ground.
I want blue back, but not if it means watching us again at the bottom of the league where the only noise in the ground comes from the players on the pitch, and seeing Swansea become so much bigger than us, that even their reserve team would comfortably beat our first team.

So what if the gap gets bigger in monetary terms? It has no bearing whatsoever on teams from the lower leagues being able to make it to the premier league? In fact I believe it gives clubs from the lower leagues an even better chance of getting there, simply because what clubs earn in the premier league they spend,and if it goes wrong your fucked! Also you have clubs who think they have an automatic right to be in the premier league so overspend in order to try and get there and fail ie: theyre fucked! Then you have the dodgy owners who milk their clubs dry from premier league money ie: theyre fucked! All of this gives the opportunity for smaller well run clubs to make it all the way! Since the premier league began in 1992, 46 clubs have played in it! Thats a hell of turnover in 22 years! Also in that time 4 clubs have gone from the bottom tier to the top. Name me 4 clubs that did that in the 22 years preceding? The premier league has created the dream for all, not the select few.

I first went to my cardiff game at age 4. Since then I have been going from division 3 to the premier league, I'm only 23 now, so I have seen a few good years at cardiff. When we was in division 3,2 i always wanted success, however success ruins the experience for me. In division 3/2/1 standing in Ninian park with only a few thousand fans, me and my mate where in our teens. And no adults. And I felt part of something, I didn't know anyone around me in the grange end, but I felt welcomed I mean it was great,,special feeling especially for a young teen to be around so many adults aswell. Now when I go to the new stadium I stand in the canton with my mate, there is no more feeling of such welcome -ness, I'm either being harassed to sit down by stewards, and I don't feel the same welcoming feel standing around strangers.

for some people, the sense of belonging and mixing with a smaller group of fans is what they go to football for. the spectacle / league itself is not important, hence why they look upon the dark days of division 4 with nostalgia.

those tuesday nights with 50 people going up to rotherham, those were the days, that sort of thing. football has moved on, but they cling onto the past. nothing wrong with that, but i suspect they would like us back in division 4 as it would purge the club of the new breed of fans.

we wouldnt be able to mix ffs our reputation will make sure of that? yes be like good old days police escorts in out ground no pubs before game ect ect that was the good old days a lot of the time!

Some cracking replies here, all perfectly valid, and interesting to see the differing opinions. I was simply voicing my personal concern, and I may well be wrong, just my opinion. I respect the opinions of all who have posted replies, and hopefully we will make a quick return to the PL and not get left behind as the money available in the PL will result in a bigger gap between the top division and the also rans. I think in a few years the Premier League will become a closed shop, and we need to be in there when that happens.

Some cracking replies here, all perfectly valid, and interesting to see the differing opinions. I was simply voicing my personal concern, and I may well be wrong, just my opinion. I respect the opinions of all who have posted replies, and hopefully we will make a quick return to the PL and not get left behind as the money available in the PL will result in a bigger gap between the top division and the also rans. I think in a few years the Premier League will become a closed shop, and we need to be in there when that happens.

I enjoyed going to Port Vale on Tuesday. There's a lot more to football than the Premier League.

Some cracking replies here, all perfectly valid, and interesting to see the differing opinions. I was simply voicing my personal concern, and I may well be wrong, just my opinion. I respect the opinions of all who have posted replies, and hopefully we will make a quick return to the PL and not get left behind as the money available in the PL will result in a bigger gap between the top division and the also rans. I think in a few years the Premier League will become a closed shop, and we need to be in there when that happens.

I enjoyed going to Port Vale on Tuesday. There's a lot more to football than the Premier League.

But would you honestly prefer to go to Port Vale with a couple of hundred fellow supporters to watch kick and rush football, or go to The Emirates and watch us compete at the top level. Once we get left behind, we will never catch up, and our biggest ambition will be to win the Johnsons Paint Trophy or whatever they call it now.

But this is not supposed to be a red letter experience. The whole point is to watch your team win, well do the best they can hoping that's enough for a win anyway. It's not a Jim will fix it so you and and your mates can have your male sex and the city moment. It's about supporting the players on the pitch for 90 mins each game through bad times and good.

There is more to football than the premier league. There's also more to wales than cardiff, I.e. Swansea, but you wouldn't want to live there, just as as a player/club you don't want to be outside the premiership.

We should be wanting to strive for success not wondering where our next day out is coming from. They don't make us pay, it's our choice to turn up, it's a privilege not a requirement in life supporting city.

I feel I can speak up as I've watched city with season ticket from the age of 9-20 with a season ticket through watching sh#t on the pitch in div 4 and now grabbing tickets when I can over the last 9 years when the better times have turned up. These times are unrivalled in my time supporting city. I pay to watch us try, to watch good players, and watching us last year I saw us play against some of the best players in the world, we have played in major finals, had genuine world cup players, instead of us thinking we had a "good" player in Danny hill etc who actually played for us at the time because they were anything but good players.

I have no interest in going back down the divs. I want us to do well. I don't go to football for a social, I go to support the club. If you want a social, go back to the pub.

But this is not supposed to be a red letter experience. The whole point is to watch your team win, well do the best they can hoping that's enough for a win anyway. It's not a Jim will fix it so you and and your mates can have your male sex and the city moment. It's about supporting the players on the pitch for 90 mins each game through bad times and good.

There is more to football than the premier league. There's also more to wales than cardiff, I.e. Swansea, but you wouldn't want to live there, just as as a player/club you don't want to be outside the premiership.

We should be wanting to strive for success not wondering where our next day out is coming from. They don't make us pay, it's our choice to turn up, it's a privilege not a requirement in life supporting city.

I feel I can speak up as I've watched city with season ticket from the age of 9-20 with a season ticket through watching sh#t on the pitch in div 4 and now grabbing tickets when I can over the last 9 years when the better times have turned up. These times are unrivalled in my time supporting city. I pay to watch us try, to watch good players, and watching us last year I saw us play against some of the best players in the world, we have played in major finals, had genuine world cup players, instead of us thinking we had a "good" player in Danny hill etc who actually played for us at the time because they were anything but good players.

I have no interest in going back down the divs. I want us to do well. I don't go to football for a social, I go to support the club. If you want a social, go back to the pub.

Excellent post!!

some people confuse their enjoyment of a lads day out with support for the City, it's ever so sad. True fans want their club to be doing well on and off the pitch. People who think they're fans are only interested in their own enjoyment even if it means the club sliding down the divisions and having no financial stability. Then the same people come on forums like that and call the true fans 'plastics' and 'Tan's servants'. Ever so sad.

But this is not supposed to be a red letter experience. The whole point is to watch your team win, well do the best they can hoping that's enough for a win anyway. It's not a Jim will fix it so you and and your mates can have your male sex and the city moment. It's about supporting the players on the pitch for 90 mins each game through bad times and good.

There is more to football than the premier league. There's also more to wales than cardiff, I.e. Swansea, but you wouldn't want to live there, just as as a player/club you don't want to be outside the premiership.

We should be wanting to strive for success not wondering where our next day out is coming from. They don't make us pay, it's our choice to turn up, it's a privilege not a requirement in life supporting city.

I feel I can speak up as I've watched city with season ticket from the age of 9-20 with a season ticket through watching sh#t on the pitch in div 4 and now grabbing tickets when I can over the last 9 years when the better times have turned up. These times are unrivalled in my time supporting city. I pay to watch us try, to watch good players, and watching us last year I saw us play against some of the best players in the world, we have played in major finals, had genuine world cup players, instead of us thinking we had a "good" player in Danny hill etc who actually played for us at the time because they were anything but good players.

I have no interest in going back down the divs. I want us to do well. I don't go to football for a social, I go to support the club. If you want a social, go back to the pub.

Excellent post!!

some people confuse their enjoyment of a lads day out with support for the City, it's ever so sad. True fans want their club to be doing well on and off the pitch. People who think they're fans are only interested in their own enjoyment even if it means the club sliding down the divisions and having no financial stability. Then the same people come on forums like that and call the true fans 'plastics' and 'Tan's servants'. Ever so sad.