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Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:07 pm

I know that Ole is cultivating a strike partnership with kiko and Guerra but surely one of them has to start with jones on Saturday, i'll take either but this pairing would be monstrous against an out of form Fulham. we could put out a team to bully them if we play burgstaller, dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling) Adeyemi and Pilkington behind and then bring on pace and passing with harris, ralls and daehli once they've taken a battering to finish them off.

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:18 pm

BanterLad115 wrote:dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling)


No, it´s not :lol:

https://twitter.com/KGDikgacoi

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:21 pm

Dve wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling)


No, it´s not :lol:

https://twitter.com/KGDikgacoi


damn :?

it was closer than most of the attempts on here :lol:

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:23 pm

BanterLad115 wrote:
Dve wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling)


No, it´s not :lol:

https://twitter.com/KGDikgacoi


damn :?

it was closer than most of the attempts on here :lol:


True :lol:

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:23 pm

BanterLad115 wrote:I know that Ole is cultivating a strike partnership with kiko and Guerra but surely one of them has to start with jones on Saturday, i'll take either but this pairing would be monstrous against an out of form Fulham. we could put out a team to bully them if we play burgstaller, dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling) Adeyemi and Pilkington behind and then bring on pace and passing with harris, ralls and daehli once they've taken a battering to finish them off.

Gurrra with Jones or with Macheda in my opinion. Time to give Maynard and Lefondre a rest.
I have gone off this idea that we need to bully them. We've played all these players that are supposed to be so tough like Gunnar and Adeyemi and we are still overrun in midfield and we don't have any possession, loose the ball, play long ball and look predictable. How about we start playing football instead?

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:30 pm

LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:I know that Ole is cultivating a strike partnership with kiko and Guerra but surely one of them has to start with jones on Saturday, i'll take either but this pairing would be monstrous against an out of form Fulham. we could put out a team to bully them if we play burgstaller, dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling) Adeyemi and Pilkington behind and then bring on pace and passing with harris, ralls and daehli once they've taken a battering to finish them off.

Gurrra with Jones or with Macheda in my opinion. Time to give Maynard and Lefondre a rest.
I have gone off this idea that we need to bully them. We've played all these players that are supposed to be so tough like Gunnar and Adeyemi and we are still overrun in midfield and we don't have any possession, loose the ball, play long ball and look predictable. How about we start playing football instead?


I'm not rating Maynard at all atm, I like le fondre's upper body strength but would like to see him in a cup match to get scoring. Guerra is so perfectly rounded so desperate to see him start. Gunnar isn't really tough just harder to push off the ball. Adeyemi is tenacious but mostly a box to box. Daehli seems to be struggling a little in this division, maybe needs a rest so if we want to pass then it's eikrem or whitts alongside ralls for me. Could work but risky.

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:30 pm

I think Jones and Guerra can play together.

Guerra liked to come short and get the ball. Maynard and Le Fondre havent impressed me starting games.

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:50 pm

BanterLad115 wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:I know that Ole is cultivating a strike partnership with kiko and Guerra but surely one of them has to start with jones on Saturday, i'll take either but this pairing would be monstrous against an out of form Fulham. we could put out a team to bully them if we play burgstaller, dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling) Adeyemi and Pilkington behind and then bring on pace and passing with harris, ralls and daehli once they've taken a battering to finish them off.

Gurrra with Jones or with Macheda in my opinion. Time to give Maynard and Lefondre a rest.
I have gone off this idea that we need to bully them. We've played all these players that are supposed to be so tough like Gunnar and Adeyemi and we are still overrun in midfield and we don't have any possession, loose the ball, play long ball and look predictable. How about we start playing football instead?


I'm not rating Maynard at all atm, I like le fondre's upper body strength but would like to see him in a cup match to get scoring. Guerra is so perfectly rounded so desperate to see him start. Gunnar isn't really tough just harder to push off the ball. Adeyemi is tenacious but mostly a box to box. Daehli seems to be struggling a little in this division, maybe needs a rest so if we want to pass then it's eikrem or whitts alongside ralls for me. Could work but risky.

Eikrem didnt do anything last night that made me think he should be in the team especially as Ralls was a lot more impressive. Adeyemi is tenacious yes but lacks the skill on the ball that mutch has, gives the ball away easily, with him and Gunnar we keep giving the ball away. Dikgacoi needs to get fit when fit he is the better player, more experienced, reads the game better, good foil for the creators. All the creative players have been struggling so far, Whitts and Daehli have not been at their best, something about the chemistry in midfield. Especially Daehli will always struggle if we can't find a way to play the ball on the ground, i am not sure if the problem is the championship as much as the kind of football we been playing. This would be something that should be worked out on the training pitch. We need to practise quick, crisp, pass and move. Play the players who master this type of football. We have a good squad, a lot of players that can play football and a manager that says he wants to play possession football. Something is obviously not right when we have 30% possession.

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:20 pm

LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:I know that Ole is cultivating a strike partnership with kiko and Guerra but surely one of them has to start with jones on Saturday, i'll take either but this pairing would be monstrous against an out of form Fulham. we could put out a team to bully them if we play burgstaller, dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling) Adeyemi and Pilkington behind and then bring on pace and passing with harris, ralls and daehli once they've taken a battering to finish them off.

Gurrra with Jones or with Macheda in my opinion. Time to give Maynard and Lefondre a rest.
I have gone off this idea that we need to bully them. We've played all these players that are supposed to be so tough like Gunnar and Adeyemi and we are still overrun in midfield and we don't have any possession, loose the ball, play long ball and look predictable. How about we start playing football instead?


I'm not rating Maynard at all atm, I like le fondre's upper body strength but would like to see him in a cup match to get scoring. Guerra is so perfectly rounded so desperate to see him start. Gunnar isn't really tough just harder to push off the ball. Adeyemi is tenacious but mostly a box to box. Daehli seems to be struggling a little in this division, maybe needs a rest so if we want to pass then it's eikrem or whitts alongside ralls for me. Could work but risky.

Eikrem didnt do anything last night that made me think he should be in the team especially as Ralls was a lot more impressive. Adeyemi is tenacious yes but lacks the skill on the ball that mutch has, gives the ball away easily, with him and Gunnar we keep giving the ball away. Dikgacoi needs to get fit when fit he is the better player, more experienced, reads the game better, good foil for the creators. All the creative players have been struggling so far, Whitts and Daehli have not been at their best, something about the chemistry in midfield. Especially Daehli will always struggle if we can't find a way to play the ball on the ground, i am not sure if the problem is the championship as much as the kind of football we been playing. This would be something that should be worked out on the training pitch. We need to practise quick, crisp, pass and move. Play the players who master this type of football. We have a good squad, a lot of players that can play football and a manager that says he wants to play possession football. Something is obviously not right when we have 30% possession.


agree that ralls is looking better, give Adi time, mutch struggled when he first came to us, Adi is intelligent and will therefore continuously look to improve, he actually has a decent shot and is better defensively.

The problem is that teams are now playing for a draw with us, breaking up play, doubling up and packing the midfield. we can deal with this in a couple of ways. be more rigid and direct playing quick long passes to stretch play or very fluid with three or more players very close together who are used to finding each other quickly.

Ultimately I think they just need to get used to each other and the division. Our fullbacks look comfortable as with our defense. perhaps Ole should try a 4-2-3-1 until our midfield is confident enough.

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:03 pm

Dve wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:
Dve wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling)


No, it´s not :lol:

https://twitter.com/KGDikgacoi


damn :?

it was closer than most of the attempts on here :lol:


True :lol:



I was starting to wonder if we signed a Chinese player a while back when someone spelt his name Dikachoi.
Granted it's a difficult name to spell, so why don't people just call him Dika? - Much easier!

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:38 pm

KG seems to be the established nickname he´s using.

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:13 pm

BanterLad115 wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:I know that Ole is cultivating a strike partnership with kiko and Guerra but surely one of them has to start with jones on Saturday, i'll take either but this pairing would be monstrous against an out of form Fulham. we could put out a team to bully them if we play burgstaller, dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling) Adeyemi and Pilkington behind and then bring on pace and passing with harris, ralls and daehli once they've taken a battering to finish them off.

Gurrra with Jones or with Macheda in my opinion. Time to give Maynard and Lefondre a rest.
I have gone off this idea that we need to bully them. We've played all these players that are supposed to be so tough like Gunnar and Adeyemi and we are still overrun in midfield and we don't have any possession, loose the ball, play long ball and look predictable. How about we start playing football instead?


I'm not rating Maynard at all atm, I like le fondre's upper body strength but would like to see him in a cup match to get scoring. Guerra is so perfectly rounded so desperate to see him start. Gunnar isn't really tough just harder to push off the ball. Adeyemi is tenacious but mostly a box to box. Daehli seems to be struggling a little in this division, maybe needs a rest so if we want to pass then it's eikrem or whitts alongside ralls for me. Could work but risky.

Eikrem didnt do anything last night that made me think he should be in the team especially as Ralls was a lot more impressive. Adeyemi is tenacious yes but lacks the skill on the ball that mutch has, gives the ball away easily, with him and Gunnar we keep giving the ball away. Dikgacoi needs to get fit when fit he is the better player, more experienced, reads the game better, good foil for the creators. All the creative players have been struggling so far, Whitts and Daehli have not been at their best, something about the chemistry in midfield. Especially Daehli will always struggle if we can't find a way to play the ball on the ground, i am not sure if the problem is the championship as much as the kind of football we been playing. This would be something that should be worked out on the training pitch. We need to practise quick, crisp, pass and move. Play the players who master this type of football. We have a good squad, a lot of players that can play football and a manager that says he wants to play possession football. Something is obviously not right when we have 30% possession.


agree that ralls is looking better, give Adi time, mutch struggled when he first came to us, Adi is intelligent and will therefore continuously look to improve, he actually has a decent shot and is better defensively.

The problem is that teams are now playing for a draw with us, breaking up play, doubling up and packing the midfield. we can deal with this in a couple of ways. be more rigid and direct playing quick long passes to stretch play or very fluid with three or more players very close together who are used to finding each other quickly.

Ultimately I think they just need to get used to each other and the division. Our fullbacks look comfortable as with our defense. perhaps Ole should try a 4-2-3-1 until our midfield is confident enough.


Skills on the ball should be developed at Adeyemis age. He is not going to get that much better on the ball. He can improve reading the game and timing of his passes, his shot, but things like technical ability, close control is developed at a much earlier age.
He is more energetic than Mutch but Mutch had much more technical ability and superior passing ability, we are missing his abilities in central midfield.
I would rather see us give Ralls and Daehli more time to develop. So far from what i have seen Adeyemi is a typical championship player. When we go up players like Daehli and Ralls will take us much further.

Thats why we need to stop playing Gunnar and those type of players that won't ever be good enough in the PL. OGS should develop this playing style he talks about. I appreciate we do need some muscles in midfield but what i have seen from the players that were supposed to provide muscle was that they were overrun anyway against wolves so what gives? Whitts gets so much crap on here, but a number of times he had to cover for Adeyemi who was out of position.

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:43 pm

LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:I know that Ole is cultivating a strike partnership with kiko and Guerra but surely one of them has to start with jones on Saturday, i'll take either but this pairing would be monstrous against an out of form Fulham. we could put out a team to bully them if we play burgstaller, dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling) Adeyemi and Pilkington behind and then bring on pace and passing with harris, ralls and daehli once they've taken a battering to finish them off.

Gurrra with Jones or with Macheda in my opinion. Time to give Maynard and Lefondre a rest.
I have gone off this idea that we need to bully them. We've played all these players that are supposed to be so tough like Gunnar and Adeyemi and we are still overrun in midfield and we don't have any possession, loose the ball, play long ball and look predictable. How about we start playing football instead?


I'm not rating Maynard at all atm, I like le fondre's upper body strength but would like to see him in a cup match to get scoring. Guerra is so perfectly rounded so desperate to see him start. Gunnar isn't really tough just harder to push off the ball. Adeyemi is tenacious but mostly a box to box. Daehli seems to be struggling a little in this division, maybe needs a rest so if we want to pass then it's eikrem or whitts alongside ralls for me. Could work but risky.

Eikrem didnt do anything last night that made me think he should be in the team especially as Ralls was a lot more impressive. Adeyemi is tenacious yes but lacks the skill on the ball that mutch has, gives the ball away easily, with him and Gunnar we keep giving the ball away. Dikgacoi needs to get fit when fit he is the better player, more experienced, reads the game better, good foil for the creators. All the creative players have been struggling so far, Whitts and Daehli have not been at their best, something about the chemistry in midfield. Especially Daehli will always struggle if we can't find a way to play the ball on the ground, i am not sure if the problem is the championship as much as the kind of football we been playing. This would be something that should be worked out on the training pitch. We need to practise quick, crisp, pass and move. Play the players who master this type of football. We have a good squad, a lot of players that can play football and a manager that says he wants to play possession football. Something is obviously not right when we have 30% possession.


agree that ralls is looking better, give Adi time, mutch struggled when he first came to us, Adi is intelligent and will therefore continuously look to improve, he actually has a decent shot and is better defensively.

The problem is that teams are now playing for a draw with us, breaking up play, doubling up and packing the midfield. we can deal with this in a couple of ways. be more rigid and direct playing quick long passes to stretch play or very fluid with three or more players very close together who are used to finding each other quickly.

Ultimately I think they just need to get used to each other and the division. Our fullbacks look comfortable as with our defense. perhaps Ole should try a 4-2-3-1 until our midfield is confident enough.


Skills on the ball should be developed at Adeyemis age. He is not going to get that much better on the ball. He can improve reading the game and timing of his passes, his shot, but things like technical ability, close control is developed at a much earlier age.
He is more energetic than Mutch but Mutch had much more technical ability and superior passing ability, we are missing his abilities in central midfield.
I would rather see us give Ralls and Daehli more time to develop. So far from what i have seen Adeyemi is a typical championship player. When we go up players like Daehli and Ralls will take us much further.

Thats why we need to stop playing Gunnar and those type of players that won't ever be good enough in the PL. OGS should develop this playing style he talks about. I appreciate we do need some muscles in midfield but what i have seen from the players that were supposed to provide muscle was that they were overrun anyway against wolves so what gives? Whitts gets so much crap on here, but a number of times he had to cover for Adeyemi who was out of position.


The whole first half which left fabio one on one with thier winger and full back.

Do we need a box to box midfielder whilst playing 2 strikers, 2 wide midfield and 2 attacking full backs ?

No - so when Adeyemi was upfield Gunnar in front of the ball, Whitts or Pilkington dropped back to cover the hole they left or the full backs left.

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:15 pm

Dve wrote:KG seems to be the established nickname he´s using.


Yeh, I suppose Cagey could work! :ayatollah:

Re: Can Jones and Kiko play together?

Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:21 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:
LonCar wrote:
BanterLad115 wrote:I know that Ole is cultivating a strike partnership with kiko and Guerra but surely one of them has to start with jones on Saturday, i'll take either but this pairing would be monstrous against an out of form Fulham. we could put out a team to bully them if we play burgstaller, dikcagoi (yes that's the right spelling) Adeyemi and Pilkington behind and then bring on pace and passing with harris, ralls and daehli once they've taken a battering to finish them off.

Gurrra with Jones or with Macheda in my opinion. Time to give Maynard and Lefondre a rest.
I have gone off this idea that we need to bully them. We've played all these players that are supposed to be so tough like Gunnar and Adeyemi and we are still overrun in midfield and we don't have any possession, loose the ball, play long ball and look predictable. How about we start playing football instead?


I'm not rating Maynard at all atm, I like le fondre's upper body strength but would like to see him in a cup match to get scoring. Guerra is so perfectly rounded so desperate to see him start. Gunnar isn't really tough just harder to push off the ball. Adeyemi is tenacious but mostly a box to box. Daehli seems to be struggling a little in this division, maybe needs a rest so if we want to pass then it's eikrem or whitts alongside ralls for me. Could work but risky.

Eikrem didnt do anything last night that made me think he should be in the team especially as Ralls was a lot more impressive. Adeyemi is tenacious yes but lacks the skill on the ball that mutch has, gives the ball away easily, with him and Gunnar we keep giving the ball away. Dikgacoi needs to get fit when fit he is the better player, more experienced, reads the game better, good foil for the creators. All the creative players have been struggling so far, Whitts and Daehli have not been at their best, something about the chemistry in midfield. Especially Daehli will always struggle if we can't find a way to play the ball on the ground, i am not sure if the problem is the championship as much as the kind of football we been playing. This would be something that should be worked out on the training pitch. We need to practise quick, crisp, pass and move. Play the players who master this type of football. We have a good squad, a lot of players that can play football and a manager that says he wants to play possession football. Something is obviously not right when we have 30% possession.


agree that ralls is looking better, give Adi time, mutch struggled when he first came to us, Adi is intelligent and will therefore continuously look to improve, he actually has a decent shot and is better defensively.

The problem is that teams are now playing for a draw with us, breaking up play, doubling up and packing the midfield. we can deal with this in a couple of ways. be more rigid and direct playing quick long passes to stretch play or very fluid with three or more players very close together who are used to finding each other quickly.

Ultimately I think they just need to get used to each other and the division. Our fullbacks look comfortable as with our defense. perhaps Ole should try a 4-2-3-1 until our midfield is confident enough.


Skills on the ball should be developed at Adeyemis age. He is not going to get that much better on the ball. He can improve reading the game and timing of his passes, his shot, but things like technical ability, close control is developed at a much earlier age.
He is more energetic than Mutch but Mutch had much more technical ability and superior passing ability, we are missing his abilities in central midfield.
I would rather see us give Ralls and Daehli more time to develop. So far from what i have seen Adeyemi is a typical championship player. When we go up players like Daehli and Ralls will take us much further.

Thats why we need to stop playing Gunnar and those type of players that won't ever be good enough in the PL. OGS should develop this playing style he talks about. I appreciate we do need some muscles in midfield but what i have seen from the players that were supposed to provide muscle was that they were overrun anyway against wolves so what gives? Whitts gets so much crap on here, but a number of times he had to cover for Adeyemi who was out of position.


The whole first half which left fabio one on one with thier winger and full back.

Do we need a box to box midfielder whilst playing 2 strikers, 2 wide midfield and 2 attacking full backs ?

No - so when Adeyemi was upfield Gunnar in front of the ball, Whitts or Pilkington dropped back to cover the hole they left or the full backs left.

He was out of position a few times. I think people have the wrong idea about him, he isn't a Mutch replacement at all. He lacks the kind of end product and skill on the ball that Mutch has. One goal for Birmingham all season. I thought he looked better when asked to occupy a holding position. I think thats where his future lies as he doesnt have the passing ability of a good ACM.