Very Interesting

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... nt-7647288

I don't know if this has been posted before but I've watched it over and over, and a few things ring a bell!

Tan says he can't say what's happened due to legal reasons, but says along the lines of 'The fans think Malky is a hero, a hero of the fans' and then followed by 'He almost killed this club, he's lucky I put more money in to save it'... This to me just shows that he has some proof of bung deals and dodgy dealings made by Moody and Malky!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/malky-mackay-dossier-watch-moment-7647288

I don't know if this has been posted before but I've watched it over and over, and a few things ring a bell!

Tan says he can't say what's happened due to legal reasons, but says along the lines of 'The fans think Malky is a hero, a hero of the fans' and then followed by 'He almost killed this club, he's lucky I put more money in to save it'... This to me just shows that he has some proof of bung deals and dodgy dealings made by Moody and Malky!

Interesting, & i don't think its just the Premier player signings last Summer either, but every single player transaction that took place between Malky & Moody from day one of their association with Cardiff city FC.

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

It was the Fraizer Campbell deal that is being alluded to.

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

It was the Fraizer Campbell deal that is being alluded to.

The signing that took us over the line into the Premier League. Nobody can complain on that one surely?

May be it will turn out that Vincent Tan saved our club TWICE!

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

i replied on the other thread to your above allegation.

but to add to that, spending money unwisely is not the issue as there is no wrong doing there.

overpaying on agents fees is, in the case of FC, not so much of an issue either IMO. FC was bought below market value and arrived with PL wage demands and PL style agents demands. it seems a fair price to me given that we are told the agents fee for a lesser player like bray ford was £200k odd. yes he cost £1.8-2.2m, but agents regularly make much more.

if a manager was paying above market value fees to agents who happened to be their mates, then i think it would only be actionable if it was the manager himself signing off the fees. if the chief executive signed them off you couldn't blame the manager, as they assume the responsibility themselves and would probably be contracted to only sign off fees they consider reasonable.

Last edited by SwampCCFC on Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

It was the Fraizer Campbell deal that is being alluded to.

The signing that took us over the line into the Premier League. Nobody can complain on that one surely?

The quality of the player signed doesnt really form part of the debate CantonJack

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

It was the Fraizer Campbell deal that is being alluded to.

The signing that took us over the line into the Premier League. Nobody can complain on that one surely?

The quality of the player signed doesnt really form part of the debate CantonJack

I know that but without him we may have not got promoted. Huge money wasted then and the season would've been a failure. The Campbell signing made us more money than we lost IMO

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

i replied on the other thread to your above allegation.

but to add to that, spending money unwisely is not the issue as there is no wrong doing there.

overpaying on agents fees is, in the case of FC, not so much of an issue either IMO. FC was bought below market value and arrived with PL wage demands and PL style agents demands. it seems a fair price to me given that we are told the agents fee for a lesser player like bray ford was £200k odd. yes he cost £1.8-2.2m, but agents regularly make much more.

if a manager was paying above market value fees to agents who happened to be their mates, then i think it would only be actionable if it was the manager himself signing off the fees. if the chief executive signed them off you couldn't blame the manager, as they assume the responsibility themselves and would probably be contracted to only sign off fees they consider reasonable.

Completely agree

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

i replied on the other thread to your above allegation.

but to add to that, spending money unwisely is not the issue as there is no wrong doing there.

overpaying on agents fees is, in the case of FC, not so much of an issue either IMO. FC was bought below market value and arrived with PL wage demands and PL style agents demands. it seems a fair price to me given that we are told the agents fee for a lesser player like bray ford was £200k odd. yes he cost £1.8-2.2m, but agents regularly make much more.

if a manager was paying above market value fees to agents who happened to be their mates, then i think it would only be actionable if it was the manager himself signing off the fees. if the chief executive signed them off you couldn't blame the manager, as they assume the responsibility themselves and would probably be contracted to only sign off fees they consider reasonable.

Completely agree

If you agree then it must be wrong

There is alot to do with it and alot of people will be suprised just how bad malky was
Some managers are successful for the right reasons and others are successful for the wrong reasons.
Malky was a bad one unfortunately !

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/malky-mackay-dossier-watch-moment-7647288

I don't know if this has been posted before but I've watched it over and over, and a few things ring a bell!

Tan says he can't say what's happened due to legal reasons, but says along the lines of 'The fans think Malky is a hero, a hero of the fans' and then followed by 'He almost killed this club, he's lucky I put more money in to save it'... This to me just shows that he has some proof of bung deals and dodgy dealings made by Moody and Malky!

Or simple 'over-spending', Cal

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

i replied on the other thread to your above allegation.

but to add to that, spending money unwisely is not the issue as there is no wrong doing there.

overpaying on agents fees is, in the case of FC, not so much of an issue either IMO. FC was bought below market value and arrived with PL wage demands and PL style agents demands. it seems a fair price to me given that we are told the agents fee for a lesser player like bray ford was £200k odd. yes he cost £1.8-2.2m, but agents regularly make much more.

if a manager was paying above market value fees to agents who happened to be their mates, then i think it would only be actionable if it was the manager himself signing off the fees. if the chief executive signed them off you couldn't blame the manager, as they assume the responsibility themselves and would probably be contracted to only sign off fees they consider reasonable.

Completely agree

If you agree then it must be wrong

incisive reply there old chap. if you are capable of stringing together more than a few words, point out where i am wrong.

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

i replied on the other thread to your above allegation.

but to add to that, spending money unwisely is not the issue as there is no wrong doing there.

overpaying on agents fees is, in the case of FC, not so much of an issue either IMO. FC was bought below market value and arrived with PL wage demands and PL style agents demands. it seems a fair price to me given that we are told the agents fee for a lesser player like bray ford was £200k odd. yes he cost £1.8-2.2m, but agents regularly make much more.

if a manager was paying above market value fees to agents who happened to be their mates, then i think it would only be actionable if it was the manager himself signing off the fees. if the chief executive signed them off you couldn't blame the manager, as they assume the responsibility themselves and would probably be contracted to only sign off fees they consider reasonable.

Completely agree

If you agree then it must be wrong

incisive reply there old chap. if you are capable of stringing together more than a few words, point out where i am wrong.

I was under the impression I was replying to Military Junta a.k.a EvilEmpire a.k.a Craig Williams funnyman.

Unless you're the same person, I apologise for addressing my post to you.

Tan's just bitter the transfers cost him more than he expected, so he got the police to raid Malky's house.

Tan's just bitter the transfers cost him more than he expected, so he got the police to raid Malky's house.

yes, only last week the ice cream man shorthanged me from two scoops with a flake so I got the poilce to raid his home.

You come across as an independently-minded young homo! :fistpump:

Tan's just bitter the transfers cost him more than he expected, so he got the police to raid Malky's house.

yes, only last week the ice cream man shorthanged me from two scoops with a flake so I got the poilce to raid his home.

You come across as an independently-minded young homo! :fistpump:

I was being sarcastic.

Tan's just bitter the transfers cost him more than he expected, so he got the police to raid Malky's house.

yes, only last week the ice cream man shorthanged me from two scoops with a flake so I got the poilce to raid his home.

You come across as an independently-minded young homo! :fistpump:

I was being sarcastic.

oops, sorry, went right over my head!

I may be massively way off the mark here but if we are talking deals since day 1 of malky, then is there any chance he could have had the forensic accountants that was looking at langston, also looking at transfers ?.

Cant remember the timeline of it all. so yeah probably barking up the wrong tree

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

i replied on the other thread to your above allegation.

but to add to that, spending money unwisely is not the issue as there is no wrong doing there.

overpaying on agents fees is, in the case of FC, not so much of an issue either IMO. FC was bought below market value and arrived with PL wage demands and PL style agents demands. it seems a fair price to me given that we are told the agents fee for a lesser player like bray ford was £200k odd. yes he cost £1.8-2.2m, but agents regularly make much more.

if a manager was paying above market value fees to agents who happened to be their mates, then i think it would only be actionable if it was the manager himself signing off the fees. if the chief executive signed them off you couldn't blame the manager, as they assume the responsibility themselves and would probably be contracted to only sign off fees they consider reasonable.

Completely agree

If you agree then it must be wrong

incisive reply there old chap. if you are capable of stringing together more than a few words, point out where i am wrong.

I was under the impression I was replying to Military Junta a.k.a EvilEmpire a.k.a Craig Williams funnyman.

Unless you're the same person, I apologise for addressing my post to you.

you replied to his post which agreed with mine, you then came to the conclusion that as this particular member agreed with me, i must be wrong.

you clearly aren't the sharpest tool so don't bother trying to debate legal stuff with me, you'll only embarrass yourself.

to me that looks like a straightforward case of overspending in transfer fees and wages.

most managers left to their own devices spend as much money as the chairmen will allow them to. it seems here that they were left alone and trusted to keep to the budget, but one way or another left tan needing to inject money he didnt budget for, in order to keep the club afloat, and understandably, mr tan wasn't a happy bunny.

What about this quote from the press then;

It isn’t just the messages that Mackay and Moody have to contend with. The pair are at the centre of allegations by Cardiff owner Vincent Tan that the club paid way over market value for eight players during their single ill-fated season in the Premier League. It has been claimed that one £600,000 transfer had an additional payment of £600,000 to an agent. I don’t need to tell you that commissions of 100% are something of a rarity in football.


Thats not a case of overspending of transfers and wages mate, that fecking stinks of something quite different.

I think 600k was paid for Frazier Campbell?

i replied on the other thread to your above allegation.

but to add to that, spending money unwisely is not the issue as there is no wrong doing there.

overpaying on agents fees is, in the case of FC, not so much of an issue either IMO. FC was bought below market value and arrived with PL wage demands and PL style agents demands. it seems a fair price to me given that we are told the agents fee for a lesser player like bray ford was £200k odd. yes he cost £1.8-2.2m, but agents regularly make much more.

if a manager was paying above market value fees to agents who happened to be their mates, then i think it would only be actionable if it was the manager himself signing off the fees. if the chief executive signed them off you couldn't blame the manager, as they assume the responsibility themselves and would probably be contracted to only sign off fees they consider reasonable.

Completely agree

If you agree then it must be wrong

incisive reply there old chap. if you are capable of stringing together more than a few words, point out where i am wrong.

I was under the impression I was replying to Military Junta a.k.a EvilEmpire a.k.a Craig Williams funnyman.

Unless you're the same person, I apologise for addressing my post to you.

you replied to his post which agreed with mine, you then came to the conclusion that as this particular member agreed with me, i must be wrong.

you clearly aren't the sharpest tool so don't bother trying to debate legal stuff with me, you'll only embarrass yourself.

ermm....I made a sarcastic remark about MJ's power of judgement (or lack of) which had nothing to do with your post and everything with MJ's previous record of supporting the unsupportable.

In other words, I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was saying MJ is usually wrong.

But then, I don't need to explain all this to you, since you are the sharpest tool here you grasped all that immediately, didn't you...?


...oh no, wait..............you didn't

I doubt there is any substance to what you are implying. Most of Malky's texts have been published and scrutinised without a hint of financial improper conduct. I am sure that if there was the tiniest scrap of evidence to support this view then it would have been leaked and highlighted by Tan.
It would appear that Tan is trying to pedal this theory mainly because of the failings of the Cornelius deal and I don't know why he was such a flop for us but if reports are to be believed and Newcastle want him then it is obvious that it was not only Malky who thought he was / is premiership quality.