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Forever Blue wrote:Cardiff City FC
Sunday 24th August 2014.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær was frustrated with the nature of Cardiff City’s loss at Molineux, as after withstanding solid periods of pressure, the Bluebirds unbeaten run was brought to an end with an unfortunate injury time own goal.
"Wolves had most of the play to be fair, particularly in the first half when they pegged us back,” Ole admitted in his post match assessment.
“We didn’t win the ball in good positions to play, but we sorted our shape out at half-time and were miles better. We won the ball and counter-attacked more often, which is what I was hoping for in the first half. We had the best chances of the match.
"It was a cruel way to lose. We didn’t deserve to concede a goal, especially after the second half performance, when our defending was outstanding. David Marshall didn't have a save to make and that takes a lot of doing at Wolves.
"We dealt with crosses coming into our box, but the worst of the lot led to their goal. It’s in the 91st or 92nd minute when we needed to keep concentration levels high. But the players were tired, and at that time you don't move your feet as you should and then it’s in the back of the net. We were unlucky with Mark Hudson's clearance, but things like that happen and there’s not much you can do about it. That’s football.”
Frustrations aside, the Cardiff City boss was clear in his views on the goals that could have come; one via a strong penalty call that was never awarded.
“We could have come away with a 1-0 win had Kenwyne Jones scored with his chance, but he struck it too well, the keeper saved and the defeat is hard to take,” he said. “We had three excellent chances and were so close to earning some reward from a difficult match.
"We’re also disappointed not to have been awarded a penalty. The ball was struck from fifteen yards away from the Wolves defender (Richard Stearman) and he handled it just inside the penalty area. It was nailed on, one hundred per cent a penalty. It's not as though it hit him from two yards away.”
Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:18 am
smakerzthebluebird wrote:
Watching the highlights back the only replays wolves had were the cross off the post and the own goal we had the far better chances and although not at our best I thought we deserved something from that game and the over reaction of our fans today really is just that an over reaction
Fulham have cause for concern we certainly don't as of yet there is a massive amount of football to be played and I'm confident we'll only get better as the season progresses
Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:33 am
Dve wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:
Watching the highlights back the only replays wolves had were the cross off the post and the own goal we had the far better chances and although not at our best I thought we deserved something from that game and the over reaction of our fans today really is just that an over reaction
Fulham have cause for concern we certainly don't as of yet there is a massive amount of football to be played and I'm confident we'll only get better as the season progresses
Disappointment, you know. People feel down because we lost, and with lack of anything better to point at, the track goes on repeat: tinkering this and tactics that. They forget that football is also about margins. One penalty given, and the tactics would have been fantastic. "I happy to see that we´re also able to win the ugly way". "Happy that we were able to dig out a result in a difficult away game", etc. 2 minutes minus a sloppy own goal from reading those comments instead. Rather predictable, but fully understandable. We´re just humans.
The match wasn´t televised, so I was not able to watch it myself, but the match reports I´m reading, suggest that we once again played a solid defensive match. And as the tinkering first of all was in defense, it doesn´t seem fair to blame it on that. And Connolly did well on the right, didn´t he? And except from that unfortunate own goal, Hudson was alright also? Or?
According to Ole, Jones is not able to play 90 minutes yet, so he chose to put him on instead of taking him off. I understand he was very close to score, so that could have worked. And I understand Daehli had picked up a minor injury. So in sum, it doesn´t sound like the tinkering was the problem, really. Maybe he should have tinkered a bit more instead, and given Whitts and Gunnarsson a rest? Maybe try Eikrem for a start? I don´t know, but the midfield seems to be the weakest link so far.
Well, we´re not gonna win every game anyway, so there´s probable going to be more disappointments during the ongoing season. And it´s good that people who only post after losses (to ask for someone´s head) also can take part of the great community
Bring on Fulham. We´re gonna kick your buts till you drawn in shit! Go Cardiff!!!!![]()
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Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:32 am
Dve wrote:smakerzthebluebird wrote:
Watching the highlights back the only replays wolves had were the cross off the post and the own goal we had the far better chances and although not at our best I thought we deserved something from that game and the over reaction of our fans today really is just that an over reaction
Fulham have cause for concern we certainly don't as of yet there is a massive amount of football to be played and I'm confident we'll only get better as the season progresses
Disappointment, you know. People feel down because we lost, and with lack of anything better to point at, the track goes on repeat: tinkering this and tactics that. They forget that football is also about margins. One penalty given, and the tactics would have been fantastic. "I happy to see that we´re also able to win the ugly way". "Happy that we were able to dig out a result in a difficult away game", etc. 2 minutes minus a sloppy own goal from reading those comments instead. Rather predictable, but fully understandable. We´re just humans.
The match wasn´t televised, so I was not able to watch it myself, but the match reports I´m reading, suggest that we once again played a solid defensive match. And as the tinkering first of all was in defense, it doesn´t seem fair to blame it on that. And Connolly did well on the right, didn´t he? And except from that unfortunate own goal, Hudson was alright also? Or?
According to Ole, Jones is not able to play 90 minutes yet, so he chose to put him on instead of taking him off. I understand he was very close to score, so that could have worked. And I understand Daehli had picked up a minor injury. So in sum, it doesn´t sound like the tinkering was the problem, really. Maybe he should have tinkered a bit more instead, and given Whitts and Gunnarsson a rest? Maybe try Eikrem for a start? I don´t know, but the midfield seems to be the weakest link so far.
Well, we´re not gonna win every game anyway, so there´s probable going to be more disappointments during the ongoing season. And it´s good that people who only post after losses (to ask for someone´s head) also can take part of the great community
Bring on Fulham. We´re gonna kick your buts till you drawn in shit! Go Cardiff!!!!![]()
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Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:37 am
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Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:59 am
Leytonstoneblue wrote:OGS, has said since he came here that he wants to play fast, exciting football, scoring goals and attack minded, yet over the last 4 games the style has been very much defensive, so many supporters at the moment are understandably confused. We were on the rack for much of yesterday's game, there were a number of times when a final pass from Wolves would have resulted in a goal, they had 65% possession! just like all the teams last year had against us. I was hoping this year, that would be improved on and we would be bossing most games. Home and away, we are overly relying on long ball tactics, which surprises me, given OGSs philosophy. The tinkering, on top of this, makes things worse for the fans. Surely everyone knows that you start with your strongest 11? Jones is the in form striker, Brayford the in form RB, yet they are left on the bench? Is OGS, really saying that Wolves left wingers were too good for Brayford to deal with? In isolation, to lose this game is not a disaster, yet overall, over the four games, the supporters are concerned, that we don't seem to have hugely improved from last season, it's just that the opposition are far, far weaker.
Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:08 am
Leytonstoneblue wrote:OGS, has said since he came here that he wants to play fast, exciting football, scoring goals and attack minded, yet over the last 4 games the style has been very much defensive, so many supporters at the moment are understandably confused. We were on the rack for much of yesterday's game, there were a number of times when a final pass from Wolves would have resulted in a goal, they had 65% possession! just like all the teams last year had against us. I was hoping this year, that would be improved on and we would be bossing most games. Home and away, we are overly relying on long ball tactics, which surprises me, given OGSs philosophy. The tinkering, on top of this, makes things worse for the fans. Surely everyone knows that you start with your strongest 11? Jones is the in form striker, Brayford the in form RB, yet they are left on the bench? Is OGS, really saying that Wolves left wingers were too good for Brayford to deal with? In isolation, to lose this game is not a disaster, yet overall, over the four games, the supporters are concerned, that we don't seem to have hugely improved from last season, it's just that the opposition are far, far weaker.
Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:09 am
Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:31 am
Ketteringblues wrote:It's not that Ole is tinkering each week that bothers me. After all, each team we play has different strengths and he as manager is playing the best side he has to counteract and combat that. Fine.
What I would like to question is our lack of possession.
Every game so far we have been happy to let the opposition have the ball. We back off and back off, don't press the ball and give them so much time and space it's untrue.
When we do have it we appear clueless and after just a couple of touches we lump it 40 yards forward and inevitably lose the ball. This puts us back under pressure and this mad cycle starts again.
Nobody seem willing (or possibly able) to put his foot on the ball and control the game.
We need any of Whitts, Kimbo, Matts or Eikrem to play slightly deeper and give our defence an outlet.
With the amount of strikers we have, we should be putting teams to bed and causing them the selection problems. Clearly this is not the case as it's us who is under the cosh looking to nick a goal.
Are we showing teams too much respect? Or is it that because of our obvious defensive frailties, Ole now sets the team up to defend doggedly rather than attack?
I'll leave that one for Arthur C Clarke....
Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:07 am
Ketteringblues wrote:It's not that Ole is tinkering each week that bothers me. After all, each team we play has different strengths and he as manager is playing the best side he has to counteract and combat that. Fine.
What I would like to question is our lack of possession.
Every game so far we have been happy to let the opposition have the ball. We back off and back off, don't press the ball and give them so much time and space it's untrue.
When we do have it we appear clueless and after just a couple of touches we lump it 40 yards forward and inevitably lose the ball. This puts us back under pressure and this mad cycle starts again.
Nobody seem willing (or possibly able) to put his foot on the ball and control the game.
We need any of Whitts, Kimbo, Matts or Eikrem to play slightly deeper and give our defence an outlet.
With the amount of strikers we have, we should be putting teams to bed and causing them the selection problems. Clearly this is not the case as it's us who is under the cosh looking to nick a goal.
Are we showing teams too much respect? Or is it that because of our obvious defensive frailties, Ole now sets the team up to defend doggedly rather than attack?
I'll leave that one for Arthur C Clarke....
Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:25 am
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Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:43 am
City Slicker wrote:I happen to think both the "Gloom & Doom Mongers" and the "Happy Clappy Everything's Ok Optimists" are all over the top on this. Yes, its right at the start of the season and we have actually achieved some decent results and Wolves away will be tough for most teams in this division, so, no need to panic Captain Mainwaring!
However, it's obvious that although there's been some positive developments - defensively for example, there's also obvious areas of concern, I.e. our midfield combination is weak. Whilst it's wrong to completely go overboard and call for the manager's head so soon, its equally irresponsible to bury one's head in the sand and pretend that everything will just magically get better on irs own accord. I think most people who have seen the games so far would agree that we could easily have ended up with less points than we have now, if the opposition had made more use of their chances.
With all the League games I've watched so far the common theme has been how we have failed to dominate midfield. We have had Gunnarsson, Adeyemi, Whittington, Daehli, Pilkington, Burgstaller and Eikrem and Digakoi come on as substitutes. Whittington has been the only midfielder who has played every single minute. It is just not working! I believe Ole radically needs to rethink his midfield tactics. The truth is we badly lack pace in midfield and at the moment some players are only passengers. Unless Ole addresses this problem we are likely to get overrun in midfield and probably lose more times than we win, especially when we come up against the better sides. Therefore I hope Ole will look to bring in a midfield dynamo to link up with Adeyemi and Digakoi as bulwarks and Daehli as the playmaker. This will hopefully allow the likes of Pilkington and Noone to express themselves more effectively as wide attackers.
I definitely did not agree with Brayford being left out and I hope Ole will realise his mistake and will see the benefits of continuity with a successful unit. However, up front he has made a rod for his own back. The squad is top heavy on strikers and Ole hasn't seen enough of them to decide on his best combination, compounded by absences through injury. I think we are going to have to put up with some tinkering up front in the short term until he finds out which of the many strikers he has will be most effective. I will give him the benefit of the doubt over Jones yesterday because I thought he should have started, but Ole feel hes not yet fully fit so his view must be respected on this. But at the same time, he can't afford to give too much time to players who might not make the grade - Maynard for example, when there are others - Guerra and Macheda who must be given their chance. Ole still has much to do, and he needs to do it fast, and ultimately keep a settled side.
Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:55 pm
Leytonstoneblue wrote:OGS, has said since he came here that he wants to play fast, exciting football, scoring goals and attack minded, yet over the last 4 games the style has been very much defensive, so many supporters at the moment are understandably confused. We were on the rack for much of yesterday's game, there were a number of times when a final pass from Wolves would have resulted in a goal, they had 65% possession! just like all the teams last year had against us. I was hoping this year, that would be improved on and we would be bossing most games. Home and away, we are overly relying on long ball tactics, which surprises me, given OGSs philosophy. The tinkering, on top of this, makes things worse for the fans. Surely everyone knows that you start with your strongest 11? Jones is the in form striker, Brayford the in form RB, yet they are left on the bench? Is OGS, really saying that Wolves left wingers were too good for Brayford to deal with? In isolation, to lose this game is not a disaster, yet overall, over the four games, the supporters are concerned, that we don't seem to have hugely improved from last season, it's just that the opposition are far, far weaker.
Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:05 pm