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Malky issues statement!!!

Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:58 pm

Not Malty! :oops:

Malky Mackay issues apology as he speaks out amid shocking allegations contained in Cardiff City dossier
21 August 2014

By Jon Doel

The former Bluebirds boss has apologised for sending 'disrespectful' messages but insisted he is not responsible for a series of other alleged text messages at the centre of an FA probe

Ex-Cardiff manager Malky Mackay

Former Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay has apologised for sending ‘disrespectful’ messages during his time as Bluebirds boss, but insisted he is not responsible for a series of alleged offensive, sexist and homophobic texts included in the Cardiff City dossier at the centre of the furore.

Mackay tonight vowed to fully co-operate with an FA probe launched as a result of a detailed Cardiff City investigation into the conduct of the Scot and former Cardiff recruitment chief Iain Moody.

The 42-year-old is reeling from 24 hours of shock allegations that stunned the football world, and tonight the League Managers’ Association issued a statement on his behalf, questioning the timing of the allegations entering the public domain on the day he was set to be named Crystal Palace manager.

The statement said: “The LMA wish to clarify the position in relation to recent reports and speculation regarding matters alleged to have arisen during Malky Mackay’s time at Cardiff City FC.


“In the course of a search by the Club in early 2014 of 10,000 private text messages sent to and from another member of staff during Mr Mackay’s employment at Cardiff, in relation to other matters, it emerged that Malky had, it seems, sent a couple of one-line texts that were, with the benefit of hindsight, very regrettable and disrespectful of other cultures.

“These were two text messages sent in private at a time Malky felt under great pressure and when he was letting off steam to a friend during some friendly text message banter. That said, Malky believes he could and should have conducted himself better on these two isolated occasions. The precise details need to remain private for the time being until any FA process is complete.





“The LMA does not condone in any way any potential breach of equal opportunities laws but would also point out that out of over 10,000 text messages and 70,000 documents produced over a long period of time, it may not be a complete surprise that some inappropriate comments can sometimes be made by employees, like Malky, working under great pressure in highly charged situations. If Malky has caused any offence by these two isolated matters he would, however, wish to sincerely apologise.

“Malky finds it strange that these matters were only raised with the FA and in the media now, eight months after his employment ended and the day before he was reported as being offered the opportunity to become manager of Crystal Palace FC.

“Malky is also very concerned about seriously inaccurate and misleading reports of his alleged involvement in these matters in the media. It has never been alleged that he wrote any homophobic or sexist messages and he has confirmed that he did not do so. Further, there are incorrect and damaging suggestions that he sent a whole host of offensive and unpleasant messages that are simply not true and which give a grossly distorted and unfair view of Malky’s involvement in this matter. Malky looks forward to matters being put straight in due course, following any investigation of this matter.

The alleged texts in the Cardiff City dossier


The alleged texts

“Malky cannot, of course, comment on the nature of any conduct or communications alleged to have been made by others.

“Malky has said that he will be fully co-operating with any FA investigation and that he looks forward to putting the record straight thereafter.”

Cardiff filed the dossier following a seven-month investigation by top London law firm Mishcon de Reya into the work done by Mackay and Moody during their two and a half years at the helm with Cardiff.

The promotion-winning Bluebirds manager and his trusted No2 Moody are the subject of a top-level FA investigation over claims “sexist, racist and homophobic” messages were exchanged.

Permission was even gained from a court to search Moody’s home earlier this year in a bid by the lawyers for Cardiff to uncover what they saw as evidence.

There are also claims the dossier deals with accusations regarding a number of transfers conducted at Cardiff, which name officials at other clubs and prominent football agents.

Claims there was a text insulting Bluebirds promotion-winning star Kim Bo-Kyung are also reported to be contained in the dossier.

We have been told the dossier was forwarded to the FA at the beginning of this month... BEFORE Tony Pulis left his post as manager of Crystal Palace.


Former Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay
Mackay was due to be unveiled as Pulis’ Selhurst Park successor on Thursday, but the job offer was reportedly withdrawn as news of the Cardiff complaint was made public.

Moody’s position as technical director at Palace became untenable and he quickly resigned from his role.

Cardiff are not making any official comment on the matter yet, but highly-ranked sources say the club’s lawyers told Vincent Tan he was compelled to take action because of the FA’s rules. Otherwise, the lawyers pointed out, Cardiff could be in trouble themselves if the matter were to come to light in the future.

Whereas Mackay has yet to work in management following his dismissal, Moody quickly landed himself a job with Palace.

The two men had been widely tipped to become re-united, Mackay having had two interviews for the manager’s job vacated by Pulis.

However, co-chairman Steve Parish abandoned the proposed appointment after the shock Cardiff developments came to light.

Moody stood down from his own role at Thursday lunchtime, a Crystal Palace statement reading: “In light of the events, Iain Moody has tendered his resignation and it has been accepted with immediate effect.”

An FA spokesman said: “The FA can confirm it is currently investigating this matter.”

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:21 pm

Seems like a creeping declaration from Malky.

Admitting to the disrespectful texts concerning other cultures but denying the sexist and homophobic ones.

This will run and run and run.

Now in the main news on ITV.

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:18 pm

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/footba ... ge-scandal

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:40 pm

Well according to brownie, this is all bullshit and shouldn't believe papers! Than malky admits to some text messages! :roll:

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:08 am

Let's be honest with ourselves for one minute, 90% of the people on this forum would be frowned upon were our personal texts to be put in the public domain. I would be fooked and I will admit that

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:15 am

So if all Malky has done wrong is to send / receive texts which joke about racism / sexism / homophobia then about 80% of UK are in the same boat , myself included !

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:20 am

[quote="Wayne S"]Seems like a creeping declaration from Malky.

Admitting to the disrespectful texts concerning other cultures but denying the sexist and homophobic ones.

This will run and run and run.

Now in the main news on ITV.[/

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:37 am

Martyn1963 wrote:So if all Malky has done wrong is to send / receive texts which joke about racism / sexism / homophobia then about 80% of UK are in the same boat , myself included !


And if you had the power to influence fans and held a high profile position when doing so, using work owned accessories, wouldn't you expect to be hung out to dry. Esp if you were taking the pi$$ out digging at your company's owners culture.

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:39 am

ELY BOY wrote:Let's be honest with ourselves for one minute, 90% of the people on this forum would be frowned upon were our personal texts to be put in the public domain. I would be fooked and I will admit that


When you use a company email, phone system it will state that they can check what's been sent, it's not personal if it's on company equipment, its then company based.

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:55 am

I can't believe the LMA's lawyers agreed to putting out it was banter

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:08 am

ELY BOY wrote:Let's be honest with ourselves for one minute, 90% of the people on this forum would be frowned upon were our personal texts to be put in the public domain. I would be fooked and I will admit that


That might very well be .... But we are not Managers of a Premier League Club, are we now? And racism is never really funny, unless it's Louis CK doing it....(Man is a genius).

But fine...fine...If you wont admit he is a racist biggot (Which he is), then at least you will have to admit that he has a shocking lack of mental Judgement. And a man who is THAT stupid, should not manage a Club, nor be held in high regards.

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:10 am

barriboy wrote:I can't believe the LMA's lawyers agreed to putting out it was banter


He pays into the Union so they arent going to chastise him in public, they will do whatever they can to cool the flames and help their member. Even the worst of guilty criminals have defendant lawyers fighting there cause.

But obviously it doesnt help the LMAs image. Both the PFA and LMA have poor images due to defending the indefensible

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:11 am

He says.........' Budda was a fat b@stard'

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:12 am

ELY BOY wrote:Let's be honest with ourselves for one minute, 90% of the people on this forum would be frowned upon were our personal texts to be put in the public domain. I would be fooked and I will admit that


maybe people may not agree with it but i can certainly say that no race, culture, gender or sexuality would be offended by the messages in my inbox, i'd have no worries in saying that at all.

would your texts cause any of the above groups offence then?

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:21 am

AlwaysBBlue wrote:
ELY BOY wrote:Let's be honest with ourselves for one minute, 90% of the people on this forum would be frowned upon were our personal texts to be put in the public domain. I would be fooked and I will admit that


maybe people may not agree with it but i can certainly say that no race, culture, gender or sexuality would be offended by the messages in my inbox, i'd have no worries in saying that at all.

would your texts cause any of the above groups offence then?


Are you telling us that you have never offended anyone in your life?

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:35 am

Lma -appologizes for the appology !

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:47 am

Martyn1963 wrote:So if all Malky has done wrong is to send / receive texts which joke about racism / sexism / homophobia then about 80% of UK are in the same boat , myself included !


You're wrong!

1) Malky did it on work equipment and on work-related issues.

2) Malky's attitude evidently extended far beyond those messages, as evidence by Ibby's and Parkin's tweets

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:56 am

abergblue wrote:
AlwaysBBlue wrote:
ELY BOY wrote:Let's be honest with ourselves for one minute, 90% of the people on this forum would be frowned upon were our personal texts to be put in the public domain. I would be fooked and I will admit that


maybe people may not agree with it but i can certainly say that no race, culture, gender or sexuality would be offended by the messages in my inbox, i'd have no worries in saying that at all.

would your texts cause any of the above groups offence then?


Are you telling us that you have never offended anyone in your life?


never with a bigoted comment i haven't no.

i've never offended anyone by a comment regarding race, religion, gender, or sexuality in my adult life. and that's the way it will stay.

not saying you, but it seems this debacle has shown the true colours of a few on this board

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:05 am

Dolko wrote:
ELY BOY wrote:Let's be honest with ourselves for one minute, 90% of the people on this forum would be frowned upon were our personal texts to be put in the public domain. I would be fooked and I will admit that


That might very well be .... But we are not Managers of a Premier League Club, are we now? And racism is never really funny, unless it's Louis CK doing it....(Man is a genius).

But fine...fine...If you wont admit he is a racist biggot (Which he is), then at least you will have to admit that he has a shocking lack of mental Judgement. And a man who is THAT stupid, should not manage a Club, nor be held in high regards.


and a man as egotistical, clueless and disrespectful as Tan shouldn't be allowed to own a football club but he can.

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:09 am

AlwaysBBlue wrote:
not saying you, but it seems this debacle has shown the true colours of a few on this board


I'd say a few throw away comments in my texts would offend people for sure, I have many gay friends, still make the odd joke that could be perceived as homophobic.

I have many black and asian friends and if you knew me (which you don't) I abhor racists but over sensitive people on their high horses may well be able to pick up one or two comments I have made and make me out to be racist.

All I am saying is that people shouldn't be so quick to judge, the comments Mackay have made are disgusting and should be condemned. The way people are going on about on here after letting a man totally ruin our club, saying we should now apologise to him, is laughable.

PS my true colour is blue, in case I hadn't mentioned it. :bluescarf:

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:15 am

ELY BOY wrote:
AlwaysBBlue wrote:
not saying you, but it seems this debacle has shown the true colours of a few on this board


I'd say a few throw away comments in my texts would offend people for sure, I have many gay friends, still make the odd joke that could be perceived as homophobic.

I have many black and asian friends and if you knew me (which you don't) I abhor racists but over sensitive people on their high horses may well be able to pick up one or two comments I have made and make me out to be racist.

All I am saying is that people shouldn't be so quick to judge, the comments Mackay have made are disgusting and should be condemned. The way people are going on about on here after letting a man totally ruin our club, saying we should now apologise to him, is laughable.

PS my true colour is blue, in case I hadn't mentioned it. :bluescarf:


malky being a racist and weather or not tan should own a football club are two entirely seperate matters tbh.

and have you seen the messages? these werent a few throw away comments directly to the person they were concerning. These were sly little messages between a select few people discriminating against his staff and collegues based on things that are out of their control, thats never acceptable full stop.

but some on here feel the need to defend him because they (understandably) hate tan. guess what, you can despise them both if you like, they're not mutually exclusive :thumbup:

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:28 am

ELY BOY wrote:Let's be honest with ourselves for one minute, 90% of the people on this forum would be frowned upon were our personal texts to be put in the public domain. I would be fooked and I will admit that





Can't say I'd be brought up for sexist, homophobic or racist messages on my phone, fella, and I think you live in a very small world if you think 90% of other people would either!

I've seen people dragged through the 'system' for so-called 'innocent' texts and I've seen the effect it has on them when they are caught out (often for reasons unrelated to what is subsequently found) and it isn't a nice thing to see happen to people you previously thought were "of good character"

Obviously, some people (not necessarily including you, as I don't know you or your beliefs) simply don't give one about what they say or how they say it, but the world has moved on and "Big Brother" is watching more than ever!

A lesson here for a few on here who THINK they can hide behind some of their 'anonymous' comments :thumbup:

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:28 am

I've not seen all the comments I will be honest, I am not defending Mackay one bit, I just think the reaction of some on here is a little over the top when they stood by and let one man totally ruin our club (in my opinion of course) :thumbright:

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:42 am

ELY BOY wrote:I've not seen all the comments I will be honest, I am not defending Mackay one bit, I just think the reaction of some on here is a little over the top when they stood by and let one man totally ruin our club (in my opinion of course) :thumbright:


but that wasn't your original point. your original point was that 90% of people have offensive texts sent from their phone, which you must admit does seem a bit like you were defending him...

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:45 am

ELY BOY wrote:I've not seen all the comments I will be honest, I am not defending Mackay one bit, I just think the reaction of some on here is a little over the top when they stood by and let one man totally ruin our club (in my opinion of course) :thumbright:





That's fair enough and your views are well known on Tan himself :thumbup:

My personal feeing is that Tan has actually brought the club into the 21st century (not necessarily a good thing, but needs must in 'modern' football) and we may not have been here without his investment

The 'Rebrand' will always be an issue to me (and most supporters) and only the degree of protest/disruption sets us apart :thumbright:

As for Malky?? I think the man has ruined his own reputation all by himself (but also with a fair bit of help from his best mate, Moody!) and that needs to be put into context by remembering Tan (therefore the club) could have been in a LOT of trouble had they not reported it to the FA

Now THAT would have been cause for other club's and their fans to mock/ridicule Cardiff City FC :cry:

Still hoping you come back soon. This could be a good season footballing-wise :thumbup:

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:27 pm

What don't people get? He used a work phone.

During his time at Cardiff he constantly said that he was just a flag bearer to this club and that the fans were the life and blood of the club. Yet during his time here he has been found of racist, homophobic and sexist comments. Thus dragging the club's name through the mud

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:43 pm

If I sent those text in work, especially on a work phone and email I would be sacked instantly without a doubt.

The fact Malky was in a position of power and trust makes it even worse. Uneblieveable how some people defend him.

Re: Malky issues statement!!!

Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:45 pm

The best thing I have seen written on this is on the F365 mailbox.
Read and have a think.
I consider my self to be verging to the left of centre politically, do not consider myself racist, homophobic or sexist but would be worried if someone dug up private messages, mails, conversations I have had in private with friends with a similar view.

Be Careful With Your Condemnation
Football365 shares a foible with much of the news media whenever issues such as this Mackay 'racist-text-gate' raise their head: commentary becomes far more about competitive levels of outrage, 'more outraged than thou', than an honest assessment of the issues at hand.

Even though I don't know him/her, I am absolutely certain that the editor who wrote 'it's astonishing' on the front page of the website, has at some point in their life made, and laughed at, off colour 'banter' - probably more off colour than about Asians eating dogs.

The same applies to all commentators. It's disingenuous.

It's a much more complicated story than any of these one-dimensional views are allowing, as we are talking about huge societal issues here - not just racism and football culture, but the division between the private and public sphere, relations between employer and employee, revenge, rumour, and ultimately the fate of a man's entire life and career.

Thing is, context is everything, and we know none of it.

United fans have a famous chant about Park eating dogs. That's public, conducted by thousands, and is fine, doesn't merit comment, but Mackay's similar gag is beyond the pale.

Anyone who's seen shows like Family Guy, will be familiar with exchanges like: (on the phone) "What's all that noise over there?", "umm, we're just playing", "playing what?", "black restaurant".

That's fine too. Apparently. The reasons these kind of things pass as such (in the eyes of the media at any rate) are entirely down to an incredibly complex web of contextual factors, that nobody could ever completely unpack. However those who seek to destroy Mackay should at the very least attempt to construct an argument as to why his comments are different. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I've no idea, and without a more complete picture, neither do you.

Bottom line, if football journalists fancy themselves as public intellectual commentators on complicated wider issues that are raised by scenarios like this (of which racism is one, but there are many others too), then perhaps they could try to summon more subtle arguments than just a rabble rousing "it's unacceptable". I know it sounds crass and stupid on the face of it, but ultimately the LMA's claim of it being 'banter' actually contains with in it far more real-world shades of grey than a blanket condemnation. For example, non-racist people do apparently find racist humour funny. Is this because of the additional layer of irony? Or is it because they're all secretly racist really? Etc. etc. I don't know, it's complicated, so why not try writing about that?

Maybe Mackay will be destroyed, maybe not. And maybe he deserves it, maybe not. Either way, people shaping public opinion have a responsibility to be careful, because they set precedent.
Alex