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McNaughton and Mason

Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:31 pm

Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:36 pm

Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:30 pm

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


Ole has spent the whole summer with the team, if Mason was better than K.Jones, Maynard, Le Fondre, Macheda or Guera then he obviously wouldn't have loaned him out.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:40 pm

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


No

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:14 am

daleccfcmapley wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


No


I agree that, in retrospect, the SuperKev decision may come back to haunt us. However, Mason simply would not walk into our first XI.

I like Mason but are you really saying that he's better, and has a more proven track record, than Jones, LeFondre, Guerra or Macheda :o I accept that the jury may be out on Maynard but it's a close call as to whether he or Mason is currently more valuable to us.

Mason, as I and many others have said before, does not have the burning pace to make it at Prem as an out and out striker, he may be able to convert himself to a clever No. 10 but needs to be playing and that's exactly what Bolton will provide him with. Anyone believing that Mason is more effective as an out and out striker than at least 4 of the strikers we already have is, in my opinion, mistaken so unless OGS is going to play 5 strikers Mason will struggle to get a game.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:46 am

G3vans wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


Ole has spent the whole summer with the team, if Mason was better than K.Jones, Maynard, Le Fondre, Macheda or Guera then he obviously wouldn't have loaned him out.

Problem with that is, based on Ole's decision making since he's been at the club, his judgement seems very flawed.

Hope he proves me wrong.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:53 am

piledriver64 wrote:
daleccfcmapley wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


No


I agree that, in retrospect, the SuperKev decision may come back to haunt us. However, Mason simply would not walk into our first XI.

I like Mason but are you really saying that he's better, and has a more proven track record, than Jones, LeFondre, Guerra or Macheda :o I accept that the jury may be out on Maynard but it's a close call as to whether he or Mason is currently more valuable to us.

Mason, as I and many others have said before, does not have the burning pace to make it at Prem as an out and out striker, he may be able to convert himself to a clever No. 10 but needs to be playing and that's exactly what Bolton will provide him with. Anyone believing that Mason is more effective as an out and out striker than at least 4 of the strikers we already have is, in my opinion, mistaken so unless OGS is going to play 5 strikers Mason will struggle to get a game.

I could name you 50 strikers who don't have "burning pace" that have made it in the Premier League.

I agree Mason's not the fastest, but he's not slow either, and he more than makes up for it with his movement (he opens space up brilliantly for others) and his finishing.

So yes I think he is a better option to play in a front 2 with Kenwyne Jones than our other strikers, although ALF and Guerra in particular would provide good competition for them both.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:33 am

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
G3vans wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


Ole has spent the whole summer with the team, if Mason was better than K.Jones, Maynard, Le Fondre, Macheda or Guera then he obviously wouldn't have loaned him out.

Problem with that is, based on Ole's decision making since he's been at the club, his judgement seems very flawed.

Hope he proves me wrong.


I'm certain he will, but in the mean time carry on sledging him. :thumbup:

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:55 am

Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Fabio at right back, Declan John at left back. :thumbup:

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:05 am

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.

Disagree with this Mason would never get in this team with the strikers we have , he would just rot at least out on loan he is getting competitive football and much needed championship experience plus he will score goals against our rivals and be unable to play against anyway.
McNaughton as much as I like him again I can't see him getting ahead of Brayford and at this stage of his career he's going to want to be playing 1st team football, also if Brayford does get injured then we have Connoly and Fabio(John at LB if this happened) who can play RB

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:31 am

No problem with mason being loaned out but loaning out Super Kev is a stupid decision he is a club legend and very handy player to have around can play anywhere across te back four has bags of experience at this level and IMO IS STILL our 3rd best fullback behind Fabio and Brayford.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:31 pm

cityone wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
G3vans wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


Ole has spent the whole summer with the team, if Mason was better than K.Jones, Maynard, Le Fondre, Macheda or Guera then he obviously wouldn't have loaned him out.

Problem with that is, based on Ole's decision making since he's been at the club, his judgement seems very flawed.

Hope he proves me wrong.


I'm certain he will, but in the mean time carry on sledging him. :thumbup:

How can you be "certain" of that? Got a crystal ball have you?

And yes if I disagree with his decisions (and there's alot to disagree with) then I will voice my opinion on a public forum if I want to, thanks for your permission. :thumbright:

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:35 pm

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
cityone wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
G3vans wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


Ole has spent the whole summer with the team, if Mason was better than K.Jones, Maynard, Le Fondre, Macheda or Guera then he obviously wouldn't have loaned him out.

Problem with that is, based on Ole's decision making since he's been at the club, his judgement seems very flawed.

Hope he proves me wrong.

I'm certain he will, but in the mean time carry on sledging him. :thumbup:

How can you be "certain" of that? Got a crystal ball have you?

And yes if I disagree with his decisions (and there's alot to disagree with) then I will voice my opinion on a public forum if I want to, thanks for your permission. :thumbright:


:roll:

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:50 pm

Mason has to go out on loan, he needs game. It's a shame Malky let him rot really.

Kev I would have kept but I can see why we are cutting back. We don't need a huge squad of right backs.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:15 pm

Mason over rated by our fans. No way would he walk into our 11 or even make the bench. 5th choice at best, but probably 6th choice behind Maynard as well. We have Fabio who can switch to the right and john to play left back, or Connolly can go right back instead. McNaughton was left out promotion season for Connolly and rightly so

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:23 pm

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
daleccfcmapley wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


No


I agree that, in retrospect, the SuperKev decision may come back to haunt us. However, Mason simply would not walk into our first XI.

I like Mason but are you really saying that he's better, and has a more proven track record, than Jones, LeFondre, Guerra or Macheda :o I accept that the jury may be out on Maynard but it's a close call as to whether he or Mason is currently more valuable to us.

Mason, as I and many others have said before, does not have the burning pace to make it at Prem as an out and out striker, he may be able to convert himself to a clever No. 10 but needs to be playing and that's exactly what Bolton will provide him with. Anyone believing that Mason is more effective as an out and out striker than at least 4 of the strikers we already have is, in my opinion, mistaken so unless OGS is going to play 5 strikers Mason will struggle to get a game.

I could name you 50 strikers who don't have "burning pace" that have made it in the Premier League.

I agree Mason's not the fastest, but he's not slow either, and he more than makes up for it with his movement (he opens space up brilliantly for others) and his finishing.

So yes I think he is a better option to play in a front 2 with Kenwyne Jones than our other strikers, although ALF and Guerra in particular would provide good competition for them both.


Go on then, just for a bit of fun. :ayatollah:

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:01 pm

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
G3vans wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


Ole has spent the whole summer with the team, if Mason was better than K.Jones, Maynard, Le Fondre, Macheda or Guera then he obviously wouldn't have loaned him out.

Problem with that is, based on Ole's decision making since he's been at the club, his judgement seems very flawed.

Hope he proves me wrong.


Looking at the squad he´s been able to put together, I think he already did ;)

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:21 am

Dve wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
G3vans wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


Ole has spent the whole summer with the team, if Mason was better than K.Jones, Maynard, Le Fondre, Macheda or Guera then he obviously wouldn't have loaned him out.

Problem with that is, based on Ole's decision making since he's been at the club, his judgement seems very flawed.

Hope he proves me wrong.


Looking at the squad he´s been able to put together, I think he already did ;)

Let's both bookmark this and we'll see at the end of the season.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:58 am

8ballpottingmachine wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
daleccfcmapley wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


No


I agree that, in retrospect, the SuperKev decision may come back to haunt us. However, Mason simply would not walk into our first XI.

I like Mason but are you really saying that he's better, and has a more proven track record, than Jones, LeFondre, Guerra or Macheda :o I accept that the jury may be out on Maynard but it's a close call as to whether he or Mason is currently more valuable to us.

Mason, as I and many others have said before, does not have the burning pace to make it at Prem as an out and out striker, he may be able to convert himself to a clever No. 10 but needs to be playing and that's exactly what Bolton will provide him with. Anyone believing that Mason is more effective as an out and out striker than at least 4 of the strikers we already have is, in my opinion, mistaken so unless OGS is going to play 5 strikers Mason will struggle to get a game.

I could name you 50 strikers who don't have "burning pace" that have made it in the Premier League.

I agree Mason's not the fastest, but he's not slow either, and he more than makes up for it with his movement (he opens space up brilliantly for others) and his finishing.

So yes I think he is a better option to play in a front 2 with Kenwyne Jones than our other strikers, although ALF and Guerra in particular would provide good competition for them both.


Go on then, just for a bit of fun. :ayatollah:

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Re: McNaughton and Mason

Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:48 pm

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Dve wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
G3vans wrote:
scott_w_ccfc wrote:
Brezza wrote:Although loaned out can we recall them? If so - when? I think this is particularly important for the former as Brayford cannot play 42 league games. What happens if he is injured or suspended? I really would like SuperKev recalled now as cover. :ayatollah:

Another of Ole's poor decisions to let these two go out on loan.

McNaughton would have been real competition for Brayford, and Mason is just pure class and should be walking into our first team, instead he's scoring goals for a potential promotion rival.


Ole has spent the whole summer with the team, if Mason was better than K.Jones, Maynard, Le Fondre, Macheda or Guera then he obviously wouldn't have loaned him out.

Problem with that is, based on Ole's decision making since he's been at the club, his judgement seems very flawed.

Hope he proves me wrong.


Looking at the squad he´s been able to put together, I think he already did ;)

Let's both bookmark this and we'll see at the end of the season.


See what? In your opinion, Ole so far did everything wrong? I don´t get your drift, man.

Re: McNaughton and Mason

Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:57 am

McNaughton going on loan now looks like the right decision reflecting on what we are trying to play.

I don't imagine what Brayford has done past 3 games that McNaughton would be doing the same. Is sad that he has gone on loan but no time for sentiment.