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No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:39 pm

Can't see any difference from last season , shame really was expecting so much more , I know it's early doors but nothing there to give me any encouragement . :roll: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:52 pm

System: 443
Shape: The pitch was rectangular
Idea: to score more than the opposition

Hope I helped :ayatollah:

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:53 pm

Green Arrow wrote:System: 443
Shape: The pitch was rectangular
Idea: to score more than the opposition

Hope I helped :ayatollah:


Extra man and still drew? FFS!

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:54 pm

KBK-13 wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:System: 443
Shape: The pitch was rectangular
Idea: to score more than the opposition

Hope I helped :ayatollah:


Extra man and still drew? FFS!

David Marshall in defence and Fabio was in midfield. I didn't see Fabio doing much in defence tbh.

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:55 pm

The OP seems to have cornered the "no idea" tag

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:57 pm

Ah well 1 out of 3 maybe :lol:

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:05 pm

Green Arrow wrote:
KBK-13 wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:System: 443
Shape: The pitch was rectangular
Idea: to score more than the opposition

Hope I helped :ayatollah:


Extra man and still drew? FFS!

David Marshall in defence and Fabio was in midfield. I didn't see Fabio doing much in defence tbh.


443, you messed up admit it :lol:

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:19 pm

How anyone can say Fabio defended poorly is beyond me!!

And we started with a good shape, we just lost it, tired legs and new faces, still managed to grind out a draw. We'll be fine

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:33 pm

Well ole has said he plans to use a variety of tactics which could have a bad effect like last season

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:47 pm

no fecking clue who to pick!

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:44 am

Bluebird_27 wrote:Can't see any difference from last season , shame really was expecting so much more , I know it's early doors but nothing there to give me any encouragement . :roll: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Spot on it was crap! Good result, pathetic performance, particularly in the non existent midfield. If we carry on like this there'll be fewer and fewer good points achieved. However, all those (including me) who have slated Fabio should maybe think twice after his performance tonight and full marks to the defence in general. They coped manfully without even the barest midfield cover to call upon. Tom Adayemi looks a good acquisition too and, hopefully with Noone coming back and Digakoi to come in we might see Ole finally sorting out this midfield mess so, here's looking at my glass half full!

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:49 am

Bluebird_27 wrote:Can't see any difference from last season , shame really was expecting so much more , I know it's early doors but nothing there to give me any encouragement . :roll: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Spot on it was crap! Good result, pathetic performance, particularly in the non existent midfield. If we carry on like this there'll be fewer and fewer good points achieved. However, all those (including me) who have slated Fabio should maybe think twice after his performance tonight and full marks to the defence in general. They coped manfully without even the barest midfield cover to call upon. Tom Adayemi looks a good acquisition too and, hopefully with Noone coming back and Digakoi to come in we might see Ole finally sorting out this midfield mess so, here's looking at my glass half full!

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:02 am

All these posters go back to your other jobs.you are all clearly out of your depth! ¡!!

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:35 am

Ffs sake, we drew with Blackburn away, we will both be in the top 4 at the end of the season, some people talk complete bollucks sometimes. Quality result if u ask me.

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:20 am

How anyone can think Ole will take us up after his bemusing team selection, formation and tactical changes during the game is incredible. Le Fondre has been our best performing striker this pre season, has played up front all pre season and Ole brought him in to score goals. Where does Ole play him tonight for the first league game of the season? Right wing and then drops him back into midfield! What's the point in that? Burgstaller, Kim, Ralls or even Harris could have played Le Fondre's role and would have been more comfortable as it would have been their natural position!

As soon as I saw the team, I felt sorry for Gunnarsson. The way Ole ridiculously set us up gave Gunnarsson a thankless task, having to do all the donkey work and hold the midfield together for Daehli, Whittingham and the 3 strikers. This is obviously why Le Fondre had to drop into a deeper position to help out and stop us getting overrun and exposed, but that just proves Ole got it wrong again. The majority are blaming Whittingham for giving the ball away for Blackburn's equaliser, but the danger could have still easily been stopped, if Ole didn't set us up so open to allow Cairney to have yards of space to run into and have the time to tee up his shot!

Next, we have Daehli getting subbed and as soon as Daehli goes off, everyone knows we will struggle to keep the ball as well. Unsurprisingly, as soon as Daehli went off, we couldn't string more than 2 passes together and I can't remember us having a single attack in the second half. However, despite not being able to keep the ball very well, we still had Kenwyne as an outlet to play the ball up to and take the pressure away, so no prizes for guessing what Ole does next!

Kenwyne gets subbed, so on top of struggling to keep possession, our one and only outlet to play the ball up to has gone, leaving us with nothing! I can understand Burgstaller being brought on for a striker to bolster the midfield, but subbing Kenwyne who was playing very well, was another mistake. I felt very sorry for Maynard tonight with the amount of balls being pumped long to him. Maynard couldn't get into the game because our non existent midfield left our strikers isolated and starved of service.

Although every point away from home in this division is a good result, Blackburn were a very average side and with the supposed talent in this squad; we really should have taken control of the game and dominated possession. The only positive I can take was our back 4, who were superb and won us the point. But better teams would have put a few past us in the second half. Blackburn finished stronger and looked fitter than us, but when none of our players have played a full game in pre season apart from that one game in Germany, it's hardly surprising we would run out of steam towards the end.

What I saw tonight was a clueless manager who still doesn't know his best team, and the players still don't know what they're doing. There's no team work, no understanding, no cohesion, we're still a bunch of individuals. It's hardly surprising when Ole chops and changes the team all the time. Leicester only used 16 players last season, they were a team, they knew each other inside out and they won the league. Unfortunately, we are the complete opposite and there is a lot of work ahead.

If you had 2 identical teams with Ole managing one team and a decent manager taking charge of the other team, I feel the decent manager would tactically get the better of Ole every time, because the decent managers team would be more settled, more of an organised unit and the players would be played to their strengths. This is now Ole's team with Ole's players, but we will never achieve anything under Ole, he's definitely not the man to take us back up.

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:52 am

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:How anyone can think Ole will take us up after his bemusing team selection, formation and tactical changes during the game is incredible. Le Fondre has been our best performing striker this pre season, has played up front all pre season and Ole brought him in to score goals. Where does Ole play him tonight for the first league game of the season? Right wing and then drops him back into midfield! What's the point in that? Burgstaller, Kim, Ralls or even Harris could have played Le Fondre's role and would have been more comfortable as it would have been their natural position!

As soon as I saw the team, I felt sorry for Gunnarsson. The way Ole ridiculously set us up gave Gunnarsson a thankless task, having to do all the donkey work and hold the midfield together for Daehli, Whittingham and the 3 strikers. This is obviously why Le Fondre had to drop into a deeper position to help out and stop us getting overrun and exposed, but that just proves Ole got it wrong again. The majority are blaming Whittingham for giving the ball away for Blackburn's equaliser, but the danger could have still easily been stopped, if Ole didn't set us up so open to allow Cairney to have yards of space to run into and have the time to tee up his shot!

Next, we have Daehli getting subbed and as soon as Daehli goes off, everyone knows we will struggle to keep the ball as well. Unsurprisingly, as soon as Daehli went off, we couldn't string more than 2 passes together and I can't remember us having a single attack in the second half. However, despite not being able to keep the ball very well, we still had Kenwyne as an outlet to play the ball up to and take the pressure away, so no prizes for guessing what Ole does next!

Kenwyne gets subbed, so on top of struggling to keep possession, our one and only outlet to play the ball up to has gone, leaving us with nothing! I can understand Burgstaller being brought on for a striker to bolster the midfield, but subbing Kenwyne who was playing very well, was another mistake. I felt very sorry for Maynard tonight with the amount of balls being pumped long to him. Maynard couldn't get into the game because our non existent midfield left our strikers isolated and starved of service.

Although every point away from home in this division is a good result, Blackburn were a very average side and with the supposed talent in this squad; we really should have taken control of the game and dominated possession. The only positive I can take was our back 4, who were superb and won us the point. But better teams would have put a few past us in the second half. Blackburn finished stronger and looked fitter than us, but when none of our players have played a full game in pre season apart from that one game in Germany, it's hardly surprising we would run out of steam towards the end.

What I saw tonight was a clueless manager who still doesn't know his best team, and the players still don't know what they're doing. There's no team work, no understanding, no cohesion, we're still a bunch of individuals. It's hardly surprising when Ole chops and changes the team all the time. Leicester only used 16 players last season, they were a team, they knew each other inside out and they won the league. Unfortunately, we are the complete opposite and there is a lot of work ahead.

If you had 2 identical teams with Ole managing one team and a decent manager taking charge of the other team, I feel the decent manager would tactically get the better of Ole every time, because the decent managers team would be more settled, more of an organised unit and the players would be played to their strengths. This is now Ole's team with Ole's players, but we will never achieve anything under Ole, he's definitely not the man to take us back up.


Some excellent points herecTonteg and I agree 100%, You clearly know your football, and on last night's selection and performance, I genuinely think more thsn Ole!

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:55 am

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:How anyone can think Ole will take us up after his bemusing team selection, formation and tactical changes during the game is incredible. Le Fondre has been our best performing striker this pre season, has played up front all pre season and Ole brought him in to score goals. Where does Ole play him tonight for the first league game of the season? Right wing and then drops him back into midfield! What's the point in that? Burgstaller, Kim, Ralls or even Harris could have played Le Fondre's role and would have been more comfortable as it would have been their natural position!

As soon as I saw the team, I felt sorry for Gunnarsson. The way Ole ridiculously set us up gave Gunnarsson a thankless task, having to do all the donkey work and hold the midfield together for Daehli, Whittingham and the 3 strikers. This is obviously why Le Fondre had to drop into a deeper position to help out and stop us getting overrun and exposed, but that just proves Ole got it wrong again. The majority are blaming Whittingham for giving the ball away for Blackburn's equaliser, but the danger could have still easily been stopped, if Ole didn't set us up so open to allow Cairney to have yards of space to run into and have the time to tee up his shot!

Next, we have Daehli getting subbed and as soon as Daehli goes off, everyone knows we will struggle to keep the ball as well. Unsurprisingly, as soon as Daehli went off, we couldn't string more than 2 passes together and I can't remember us having a single attack in the second half. However, despite not being able to keep the ball very well, we still had Kenwyne as an outlet to play the ball up to and take the pressure away, so no prizes for guessing what Ole does next!

Kenwyne gets subbed, so on top of struggling to keep possession, our one and only outlet to play the ball up to has gone, leaving us with nothing! I can understand Burgstaller being brought on for a striker to bolster the midfield, but subbing Kenwyne who was playing very well, was another mistake. I felt very sorry for Maynard tonight with the amount of balls being pumped long to him. Maynard couldn't get into the game because our non existent midfield left our strikers isolated and starved of service.

Although every point away from home in this division is a good result, Blackburn were a very average side and with the supposed talent in this squad; we really should have taken control of the game and dominated possession. The only positive I can take was our back 4, who were superb and won us the point. But better teams would have put a few past us in the second half. Blackburn finished stronger and looked fitter than us, but when none of our players have played a full game in pre season apart from that one game in Germany, it's hardly surprising we would run out of steam towards the end.

What I saw tonight was a clueless manager who still doesn't know his best team, and the players still don't know what they're doing. There's no team work, no understanding, no cohesion, we're still a bunch of individuals. It's hardly surprising when Ole chops and changes the team all the time. Leicester only used 16 players last season, they were a team, they knew each other inside out and they won the league. Unfortunately, we are the complete opposite and there is a lot of work ahead.

If you had 2 identical teams with Ole managing one team and a decent manager taking charge of the other team, I feel the decent manager would tactically get the better of Ole every time, because the decent managers team would be more settled, more of an organised unit and the players would be played to their strengths. This is now Ole's team with Ole's players, but we will never achieve anything under Ole, he's definitely not the man to take us back up.


Some excellent points herecTonteg and I agree 100%, You clearly know your football, and on last night's selection and performance, I genuinely think more thsn Ole!

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:03 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:How anyone can think Ole will take us up after his bemusing team selection, formation and tactical changes during the game is incredible. Le Fondre has been our best performing striker this pre season, has played up front all pre season and Ole brought him in to score goals. Where does Ole play him tonight for the first league game of the season? Right wing and then drops him back into midfield! What's the point in that? Burgstaller, Kim, Ralls or even Harris could have played Le Fondre's role and would have been more comfortable as it would have been their natural position!

As soon as I saw the team, I felt sorry for Gunnarsson. The way Ole ridiculously set us up gave Gunnarsson a thankless task, having to do all the donkey work and hold the midfield together for Daehli, Whittingham and the 3 strikers. This is obviously why Le Fondre had to drop into a deeper position to help out and stop us getting overrun and exposed, but that just proves Ole got it wrong again. The majority are blaming Whittingham for giving the ball away for Blackburn's equaliser, but the danger could have still easily been stopped, if Ole didn't set us up so open to allow Cairney to have yards of space to run into and have the time to tee up his shot!

Next, we have Daehli getting subbed and as soon as Daehli goes off, everyone knows we will struggle to keep the ball as well. Unsurprisingly, as soon as Daehli went off, we couldn't string more than 2 passes together and I can't remember us having a single attack in the second half. However, despite not being able to keep the ball very well, we still had Kenwyne as an outlet to play the ball up to and take the pressure away, so no prizes for guessing what Ole does next!

Kenwyne gets subbed, so on top of struggling to keep possession, our one and only outlet to play the ball up to has gone, leaving us with nothing! I can understand Burgstaller being brought on for a striker to bolster the midfield, but subbing Kenwyne who was playing very well, was another mistake. I felt very sorry for Maynard tonight with the amount of balls being pumped long to him. Maynard couldn't get into the game because our non existent midfield left our strikers isolated and starved of service.

Although every point away from home in this division is a good result, Blackburn were a very average side and with the supposed talent in this squad; we really should have taken control of the game and dominated possession. The only positive I can take was our back 4, who were superb and won us the point. But better teams would have put a few past us in the second half. Blackburn finished stronger and looked fitter than us, but when none of our players have played a full game in pre season apart from that one game in Germany, it's hardly surprising we would run out of steam towards the end.

What I saw tonight was a clueless manager who still doesn't know his best team, and the players still don't know what they're doing. There's no team work, no understanding, no cohesion, we're still a bunch of individuals. It's hardly surprising when Ole chops and changes the team all the time. Leicester only used 16 players last season, they were a team, they knew each other inside out and they won the league. Unfortunately, we are the complete opposite and there is a lot of work ahead.

If you had 2 identical teams with Ole managing one team and a decent manager taking charge of the other team, I feel the decent manager would tactically get the better of Ole every time, because the decent managers team would be more settled, more of an organised unit and the players would be played to their strengths. This is now Ole's team with Ole's players, but we will never achieve anything under Ole, he's definitely not the man to take us back up.


First of all, there aint much to choose from atm: Macheda, Dikagoi, Guerra, Noone, Turner are Injured, Cala is banned and Adeyemi just arrived.

So the first mistake you say Ole did was to not play Le Fondre on top as he is our best striker. He used Kenwyne Jones instead who scored a goal and was possibly MOM. Huge mistake.

The whole point of the formation we used is to have Maynard and ALF as inside forwards when we attack and play through the middle, when we defend they act as cover on the wing. So instead of trying to go around very fast players like Olsson we were gonna take them on the inside.

The comms on Sky said that City looked very comfortable until we got the goal against. They praised how we were set up to deny Blackburn to play on their strengths and a player like Rhodes was almost a ghost out there and Olsson was not allowed to run up because of Maynard keeping him in defense. Until Whittingham thought he had all the time in the world just outside our box we had full control and the tactics worked great imo. We were 1-0 up and Blackburn could not do shit all. How can you call that a failure?

The funniest point of view in your post is how you blame Ole for the goal against. We win the ball on our own half, players run towards the Blackburn goal and we spread out to become playable for Whitts. He looses the ball and we get caught off guard because of it. Yeah lets blame OLE!!!

Unlike your hero Malky we now have a manager who wants players infront of the ball when we start an attack, the days where everyone ran towards own goal when we attack are gone. How you can blame Ole for Whitts fault is just another reason to pay less attention to what you post as you clearly lack some common knowledge about football.

I also see your complaining about the subs of Dæhli and Kenwyne. Ole saw the same as us, the goal against made the players insecure and as they got tired they started hoofing the ball past the midfield towards Kenwyne. When KWJ could not hold the ball we were overrun by Blackburn and could not get hold of the ball.

To try and win back some control over the midfield we needed a stronger presence in the midfield. Dæhli who barely touched the ball at that point of the game off, Adeyemi on.
Long balls from behind does not give scoring options for Jones as he needs to nod em on. But Maynard and Burgstaller are good players to threaten the room behind their defence.

A good tactical desicion imo.

Due to this Gary Bowyer said in the after match interview that:

We scored an outstanding goal. Cardiff changed their shape, a compliment to us, and we can take a lot of confidence.
"For all of their possession, perhaps the disappointment is we didn't create many chances but they brought a million pound player on.

The changes Ole made gave Blackburn problems and they created almost nothing, we defended and had the opportunities to threathen them on counters and set pieces. We did not take care of those BUT we got 1 point away against the team that ended last season with a run of 12 matches unbeaten.

But as always we got whiny fans like you who got too little football knowledge and huge expectations and that`s a bad combo that leads to negative comments to anything Ole does because YOU dont understand it.

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:11 pm

Amazing that Tonteg blames Ole for an individual error. All Whittingham had to do was release it to a team mate or just clear it out of play. Whittingham was to blame for the goal yesterday.

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:11 pm

Tonteg the expert speaks. We should all listen. He has done well on football manager.

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:16 pm

CardiffN wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:How anyone can think Ole will take us up after his bemusing team selection, formation and tactical changes during the game is incredible. Le Fondre has been our best performing striker this pre season, has played up front all pre season and Ole brought him in to score goals. Where does Ole play him tonight for the first league game of the season? Right wing and then drops him back into midfield! What's the point in that? Burgstaller, Kim, Ralls or even Harris could have played Le Fondre's role and would have been more comfortable as it would have been their natural position!

As soon as I saw the team, I felt sorry for Gunnarsson. The way Ole ridiculously set us up gave Gunnarsson a thankless task, having to do all the donkey work and hold the midfield together for Daehli, Whittingham and the 3 strikers. This is obviously why Le Fondre had to drop into a deeper position to help out and stop us getting overrun and exposed, but that just proves Ole got it wrong again. The majority are blaming Whittingham for giving the ball away for Blackburn's equaliser, but the danger could have still easily been stopped, if Ole didn't set us up so open to allow Cairney to have yards of space to run into and have the time to tee up his shot!

Next, we have Daehli getting subbed and as soon as Daehli goes off, everyone knows we will struggle to keep the ball as well. Unsurprisingly, as soon as Daehli went off, we couldn't string more than 2 passes together and I can't remember us having a single attack in the second half. However, despite not being able to keep the ball very well, we still had Kenwyne as an outlet to play the ball up to and take the pressure away, so no prizes for guessing what Ole does next!

Kenwyne gets subbed, so on top of struggling to keep possession, our one and only outlet to play the ball up to has gone, leaving us with nothing! I can understand Burgstaller being brought on for a striker to bolster the midfield, but subbing Kenwyne who was playing very well, was another mistake. I felt very sorry for Maynard tonight with the amount of balls being pumped long to him. Maynard couldn't get into the game because our non existent midfield left our strikers isolated and starved of service.

Although every point away from home in this division is a good result, Blackburn were a very average side and with the supposed talent in this squad; we really should have taken control of the game and dominated possession. The only positive I can take was our back 4, who were superb and won us the point. But better teams would have put a few past us in the second half. Blackburn finished stronger and looked fitter than us, but when none of our players have played a full game in pre season apart from that one game in Germany, it's hardly surprising we would run out of steam towards the end.

What I saw tonight was a clueless manager who still doesn't know his best team, and the players still don't know what they're doing. There's no team work, no understanding, no cohesion, we're still a bunch of individuals. It's hardly surprising when Ole chops and changes the team all the time. Leicester only used 16 players last season, they were a team, they knew each other inside out and they won the league. Unfortunately, we are the complete opposite and there is a lot of work ahead.

If you had 2 identical teams with Ole managing one team and a decent manager taking charge of the other team, I feel the decent manager would tactically get the better of Ole every time, because the decent managers team would be more settled, more of an organised unit and the players would be played to their strengths. This is now Ole's team with Ole's players, but we will never achieve anything under Ole, he's definitely not the man to take us back up.


First of all, there aint much to choose from atm: Macheda, Dikagoi, Guerra, Noone, Turner are Injured, Cala is banned and Adeyemi just arrived.

So the first mistake you say Ole did was to not play Le Fondre on top as he is our best striker. He used Kenwyne Jones instead who scored a goal and was possibly MOM. Huge mistake.

The whole point of the formation we used is to have Maynard and ALF as inside forwards when we attack and play through the middle, when we defend they act as cover on the wing. So instead of trying to go around very fast players like Olsson we were gonna take them on the inside.

The comms on Sky said that City looked very comfortable until we got the goal against. They praised how we were set up to deny Blackburn to play on their strengths and a player like Rhodes was almost a ghost out there and Olsson was not allowed to run up because of Maynard keeping him in defense. Until Whittingham thought he had all the time in the world just outside our box we had full control and the tactics worked great imo. We were 1-0 up and Blackburn could not do shit all. How can you call that a failure?

The funniest point of view in your post is how you blame Ole for the goal against. We win the ball on our own half, players run towards the Blackburn goal and we spread out to become playable for Whitts. He looses the ball and we get caught off guard because of it. Yeah lets blame OLE!!!

Unlike your hero Malky we now have a manager who wants players infront of the ball when we start an attack, the days where everyone ran towards own goal when we attack are gone. How you can blame Ole for Whitts fault is just another reason to pay less attention to what you post as you clearly lack some common knowledge about football.

I also see your complaining about the subs of Dæhli and Kenwyne. Ole saw the same as us, the goal against made the players insecure and as they got tired they started hoofing the ball past the midfield towards Kenwyne. When KWJ could not hold the ball we were overrun by Blackburn and could not get hold of the ball.

To try and win back some control over the midfield we needed a stronger presence in the midfield. Dæhli who barely touched the ball at that point of the game off, Adeyemi on.
Long balls from behind does not give scoring options for Jones as he needs to nod em on. But Maynard and Burgstaller are good players to threaten the room behind their defence.

A good tactical desicion imo.

Due to this Gary Bowyer said in the after match interview that:

We scored an outstanding goal. Cardiff changed their shape, a compliment to us, and we can take a lot of confidence.
"For all of their possession, perhaps the disappointment is we didn't create many chances but they brought a million pound player on.

The changes Ole made gave Blackburn problems and they created almost nothing, we defended and had the opportunities to threathen them on counters and set pieces. We did not take care of those BUT we got 1 point away against the team that ended last season with a run of 12 matches unbeaten.

But as always we got whiny fans like you who got too little football knowledge and huge expectations and that`s a bad combo that leads to negative comments to anything Ole does because YOU dont understand it.




well said! brand new squad coming together, long list of injuries weve gone away to a tough team and ok we got domminated for large parts but we got a point and time time to gel and improve. some city fans will NEVER be happy untill they see us play like real madrid and win week in week out. get a grip were cardiff city, f*cking fans now days piss me off same wet fuckers that sit down with their fingers on their lips when we go behind.

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:42 am

Ole got a point fair play. But for a manager that said he wants to play posession based football surely 33% posession is poor. I was mostly disappointed in the quality of football. The long balls at Kenwyne was extremely predictable teams are gonna suss us out quickly if we go down that road.

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:38 am

CardiffN wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:How anyone can think Ole will take us up after his bemusing team selection, formation and tactical changes during the game is incredible. Le Fondre has been our best performing striker this pre season, has played up front all pre season and Ole brought him in to score goals. Where does Ole play him tonight for the first league game of the season? Right wing and then drops him back into midfield! What's the point in that? Burgstaller, Kim, Ralls or even Harris could have played Le Fondre's role and would have been more comfortable as it would have been their natural position!

As soon as I saw the team, I felt sorry for Gunnarsson. The way Ole ridiculously set us up gave Gunnarsson a thankless task, having to do all the donkey work and hold the midfield together for Daehli, Whittingham and the 3 strikers. This is obviously why Le Fondre had to drop into a deeper position to help out and stop us getting overrun and exposed, but that just proves Ole got it wrong again. The majority are blaming Whittingham for giving the ball away for Blackburn's equaliser, but the danger could have still easily been stopped, if Ole didn't set us up so open to allow Cairney to have yards of space to run into and have the time to tee up his shot!

Next, we have Daehli getting subbed and as soon as Daehli goes off, everyone knows we will struggle to keep the ball as well. Unsurprisingly, as soon as Daehli went off, we couldn't string more than 2 passes together and I can't remember us having a single attack in the second half. However, despite not being able to keep the ball very well, we still had Kenwyne as an outlet to play the ball up to and take the pressure away, so no prizes for guessing what Ole does next!

Kenwyne gets subbed, so on top of struggling to keep possession, our one and only outlet to play the ball up to has gone, leaving us with nothing! I can understand Burgstaller being brought on for a striker to bolster the midfield, but subbing Kenwyne who was playing very well, was another mistake. I felt very sorry for Maynard tonight with the amount of balls being pumped long to him. Maynard couldn't get into the game because our non existent midfield left our strikers isolated and starved of service.

Although every point away from home in this division is a good result, Blackburn were a very average side and with the supposed talent in this squad; we really should have taken control of the game and dominated possession. The only positive I can take was our back 4, who were superb and won us the point. But better teams would have put a few past us in the second half. Blackburn finished stronger and looked fitter than us, but when none of our players have played a full game in pre season apart from that one game in Germany, it's hardly surprising we would run out of steam towards the end.

What I saw tonight was a clueless manager who still doesn't know his best team, and the players still don't know what they're doing. There's no team work, no understanding, no cohesion, we're still a bunch of individuals. It's hardly surprising when Ole chops and changes the team all the time. Leicester only used 16 players last season, they were a team, they knew each other inside out and they won the league. Unfortunately, we are the complete opposite and there is a lot of work ahead.

If you had 2 identical teams with Ole managing one team and a decent manager taking charge of the other team, I feel the decent manager would tactically get the better of Ole every time, because the decent managers team would be more settled, more of an organised unit and the players would be played to their strengths. This is now Ole's team with Ole's players, but we will never achieve anything under Ole, he's definitely not the man to take us back up.


First of all, there aint much to choose from atm: Macheda, Dikagoi, Guerra, Noone, Turner are Injured, Cala is banned and Adeyemi just arrived.

So the first mistake you say Ole did was to not play Le Fondre on top as he is our best striker. He used Kenwyne Jones instead who scored a goal and was possibly MOM. Huge mistake.

The whole point of the formation we used is to have Maynard and ALF as inside forwards when we attack and play through the middle, when we defend they act as cover on the wing. So instead of trying to go around very fast players like Olsson we were gonna take them on the inside.

The comms on Sky said that City looked very comfortable until we got the goal against. They praised how we were set up to deny Blackburn to play on their strengths and a player like Rhodes was almost a ghost out there and Olsson was not allowed to run up because of Maynard keeping him in defense. Until Whittingham thought he had all the time in the world just outside our box we had full control and the tactics worked great imo. We were 1-0 up and Blackburn could not do shit all. How can you call that a failure?

The funniest point of view in your post is how you blame Ole for the goal against. We win the ball on our own half, players run towards the Blackburn goal and we spread out to become playable for Whitts. He looses the ball and we get caught off guard because of it. Yeah lets blame OLE!!!

Unlike your hero Malky we now have a manager who wants players infront of the ball when we start an attack, the days where everyone ran towards own goal when we attack are gone. How you can blame Ole for Whitts fault is just another reason to pay less attention to what you post as you clearly lack some common knowledge about football.

I also see your complaining about the subs of Dæhli and Kenwyne. Ole saw the same as us, the goal against made the players insecure and as they got tired they started hoofing the ball past the midfield towards Kenwyne. When KWJ could not hold the ball we were overrun by Blackburn and could not get hold of the ball.

To try and win back some control over the midfield we needed a stronger presence in the midfield. Dæhli who barely touched the ball at that point of the game off, Adeyemi on.
Long balls from behind does not give scoring options for Jones as he needs to nod em on. But Maynard and Burgstaller are good players to threaten the room behind their defence.

A good tactical desicion imo.

Due to this Gary Bowyer said in the after match interview that:

We scored an outstanding goal. Cardiff changed their shape, a compliment to us, and we can take a lot of confidence.
"For all of their possession, perhaps the disappointment is we didn't create many chances but they brought a million pound player on.

The changes Ole made gave Blackburn problems and they created almost nothing, we defended and had the opportunities to threathen them on counters and set pieces. We did not take care of those BUT we got 1 point away against the team that ended last season with a run of 12 matches unbeaten.

But as always we got whiny fans like you who got too little football knowledge and huge expectations and that`s a bad combo that leads to negative comments to anything Ole does because YOU dont understand it.


Totally agree, your post is bulls eye. :thumbright: Tonteg should stay at manager games IMO :laughing6:

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:53 am

Next, we have Daehli getting subbed and as soon as Daehli goes off, everyone knows we will struggle to keep the ball as well. Unsurprisingly, as soon as Daehli went off, we couldn't string more than 2 passes together and I can't remember us having a single attack in the second half. However, despite not being able to keep the ball very well, we still had Kenwyne as an outlet to play the ball up to and take the pressure away, so no prizes for guessing what Ole does next!

Kenwyne gets subbed, so on top of struggling to keep possession, our one and only outlet to play the ball up to has gone, leaving us with nothing! I can understand Burgstaller being brought on for a striker to bolster the midfield, but subbing Kenwyne who was playing very well, was another mistake. I felt very sorry for Maynard tonight with the amount of balls being pumped long to him. Maynard couldn't get into the game because our non existent midfield left our strikers isolated and starved of service.

I agree with the first para in part tonteg. Daehli was the only one able to pass the ball, everyone looked 2 passes behind him.

Jones was a great outlet, but in being that outlet we used it every time after 30mins, every pass went about 30 yards in the air to him.

Its a vicious circle with him. If that was Sam alladyce managing us on friday, everyone would have slated us as a long ball team.

the midfield was bypassed in total in the second half. As soon as whitts went wide, (prob would have went off injured if his set pieces werent unstoppable) we had nobody in the centre to put there foot on the ball and slow it down.

Tom Adayemi came on, tried to impress but overtried in my mind, he was a bit of a headless chicken, running round and trying to challange, when we needed a calm player taking charge.

Looked like a square pegs round holes team

Re: No system , no shape, no idea

Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:58 am

CARDIFF N

Would you not agree that after half time Daelhi never touched the ball because we went route 1 at every occasion?

Would you have not have rather taken Jones off and kept the ball more?

Surely we have learnt that keeping the ball is more dangerous than lumping it to the big man? Or are we playing like West ham now?

Playing with 3 forwards and lumping it and we never actually forced paul robinson into making a save that i can remember. We scored a great well worked set play. KJ had a poor shot that was more of a back pass. But we will call it a save. and i cant think of another shot...