' More harm than good?? '

Do we as fans do more harm than good sometimes?

Couple of examples
Last season it appears the club missed out on revenue of over £1.5 million of merchandise sales
If this happened this season lets say £2 million with inflation price increases etc
Under the new fair play rules that would be £1.6 million we could, ve spent on wages
I assume we all understand how the fair play rules work
Briefly you can only spend 80%of your income on wages
Therefor every £1million coming in allows us £800k on our wage bill/budget
Second example
By protesting (dont sack mackay)from about october/november did we infact stop tan sacking him early enough its clear to see we were never going to score enough goals to stay up
Tan and malky were not getting on
Tan was not going to give malky money to spend(waste) in january
But we defo needed strenthening
So were we doing more harm than good
The same could be asked about the continued criticism of everything tan does
And before im called a tan lover/arse licker I hate the rebrand and want our blue back asap

Be interesting to see if this is a sticky hmmmmmmmmm

All good points and ones I've made myself over the last season. Support Ole, Support Tan and support everything Cardiff City no matter what

I think you've got a great point here. With regards to the revenue from merchandise sales there's not a lot to say about it. Whilst we are certainly missing out on money into the club, we also can't expect people to buy shirts that they simply to not like. Like yourself being against the rebrand, would you wear that red shirt? On your other point, I think you could be right. If we had for rid of Malky sooner and Ole had longer to sign or even attempt to sign people maybe we would have had more of a chance. But also on the same point at that point in time we were all still very fond of Malky and were scared as to what could happen. I for one was gutted about him being sacked, but now I am all for Ole and his exciting refreshing game plan.

Do we as fans do more harm than good sometimes
Couple of examples
Last season it appears the club missed out on revenue of over £1.5 million of merchandise sales
If this happened this season lets say £2 million with inflation price increases etc
Under the new fair play rules that would be £1.6 million we could, ve spent on wages
I assume we all understand how the fair play rules work
Briefly you can only spend 80%of your income on wages
Therefor every £1million coming in allows us £800k on our wage bill/budget
Second example
By protesting (dont sack mackay)from about october/november did we infact stop tan sacking him early enough its clear to see we were never going to score enough goals to stay up
Tan and malky were not getting on
Tan was not going to give malky money to spend(waste) in january
But we defo needed strenthening
So were we doing more harm than good
The same could be asked about the continued criticism of everything tan does
And before im called a tan lover/arse licker I hate the rebrand and want our blue back asap

It's supply and demand mate, I expect now we are back in the championship, we will see a lot more blue, as the Man Utd and Liverpool fans who bought a home shirt to "fit in" will be gone.
The idea of a business is to market a product to a target audience, it has to be a desirable product and as universal as possible, to maximise sales and profit. This is extreme basic business, which VT obviously knows, but he continues on, it's not our fault we don't want the product he's offering, it's his own. We can't be guilted into buying attire we don't want or like because it could be harmful to the club, VT's job as owner is to rectify that.

Also, we don't know if we would've gone down with Malky, say what you will about his signings, but we were surviving with him in charge. It might have been a bit boring at times, but continued success in the PL would have brought in a lot more revenue, which improves the squad ect. ect.

So maybe we are doing the club more harm than good, but it's up to the powers that be to fix it. And all they have to do is change the home colour back to blue and give the old badge back

It's supply and demand mate

This

I think if Tan and the club are going to act like any other business (i.e. very little loyalty to customers) the the customers (us) have every right to show them the same amount of loyalty (not spending money in the stadium/club shop) etc.

I think this shows if you compare the rebrand to the golden ticket scam, more people demanded refunds from the former over the latter, thats because even with the riddler at the helm, we werent being treated like just a normal business, people were going in to debt and risking their reputations to keep us afloat. And in turn we commited to the club financially ourselves even when the going wasn't great.

more harm than good maybe but Tan has made a rod for his own back

no I would never buy/wear red
however I probably(as a family) spent the usual in the club shop (close to a grand )but bought all retro shirts and leisure wear that sported the blue bird or old badge lots to choose from
im not in the camp that thought malky was going to keep us up or that he was doing a good job in the PREMIER LEAGUE

The don't sack Mackay chant was cringeworthy. The only good part about it was the fans singing in unity again passionately about something. Can't fault that.

I normally spend between £200 and £300 a year in the club shop, but that stopped as soon as we went red. I will never again spend a penny in the club shop till we are blue again, and I hope this continues again this season. I can see another season of protest, this should be continued till we return to blue. The history and heritage of our club is far more important than our position in the league system

Just over 2 years ago I would of bought 4 City shirts plus merchandise for my car etc
At Xmas and my birthday all my presents would come from the club shop.
Since August 2012 nothing has been bought from there and I have not once even gone in there

The history and heritage of our club is far more important than our position in the league system
I have to say everytime I read that statement it bamboozles me, everyone wants to be blue. But what you are saying is aslong as we are blue you wouldn't care if we lost every week 10-0 you would be happy. Complete and utter bullshit!

Do we as fans do more harm than good sometimes?

Couple of examples
Last season it appears the club missed out on revenue of over £1.5 million of merchandise sales
If this happened this season lets say £2 million with inflation price increases etc
Under the new fair play rules that would be £1.6 million we could, ve spent on wages
I assume we all understand how the fair play rules work
Briefly you can only spend 80%of your income on wages
Therefor every £1million coming in allows us £800k on our wage bill/budget

how are the fans to blame? They don't want the shirt. One person to blame for the decrease in match day revenue.... Tan. He enforced this unwanted colour change and crest change & as a result, not many fans want the official shirts.

Second example
By protesting (dont sack mackay)from about october/november did we infact stop tan sacking him early enough its clear to see we were never going to score enough goals to stay up
Tan and malky were not getting on
Tan was not going to give malky money to spend(waste) in january
But we defo needed strenthening
So were we doing more harm than good
The same could be asked about the continued criticism of everything tan does
And before im called a tan lover/arse licker I hate the rebrand and want our blue back asap

to say that it was "obvious" we weren't going to stay up is complete and utter rubbish. You cannot say that with any sort of confidence, just like nobody can say we were definitely going to stay up.

My opinion was that Malky should have had the season & that would have been our best chance of staying up, I my opinion. Changing the whole philosophy of a club and it's playing style, whilst in the middle of a relegation battle in your first season in the top flight, is absolute lunacy & again, an error by Tan, in my eyes.

You must agree too, seeing as you were protesting "don't sack Mackay" yourself?

Do we as fans do more harm than good sometimes?

Couple of examples
Last season it appears the club missed out on revenue of over £1.5 million of merchandise sales
If this happened this season lets say £2 million with inflation price increases etc
Under the new fair play rules that would be £1.6 million we could, ve spent on wages
I assume we all understand how the fair play rules work
Briefly you can only spend 80%of your income on wages
Therefor every £1million coming in allows us £800k on our wage bill/budget
Second example
By protesting (dont sack mackay)from about october/november did we infact stop tan sacking him early enough its clear to see we were never going to score enough goals to stay up
Tan and malky were not getting on
Tan was not going to give malky money to spend(waste) in january
But we defo needed strenthening
So were we doing more harm than good
The same could be asked about the continued criticism of everything tan does
And before im called a tan lover/arse licker I hate the rebrand and want our blue back asap

Do you really think that made a difference? I'm not saying it didn't, but you can't really know for sure if Malky would have been sacked earlier, right?

Interesting post nevertheless.

Can't make people buy merchandise they don't want though.

Nice to see a different slant to a worn out debate.I don't think the fans are to blame and I don't think Tan lost any sleep over it either.Regardless of any personal view on Milky it was clear that the working relationship between him and Tan was broken so when that happens at any club there is normally only one outcome.Tan should have bit the bullet and sacked him sooner.One thing I've never seen mentioned on here is that if Malky had his time again in hindsight he would have gone sooner and would probably be working now.

CHUCKLES
where do I say we are to blame
thought the ??? would of shown it was a question
where does obvious come from (your at it again making things up)
where do I say we would of gone down
think my opinion was we would not score enough goals to stay up if indeed that was the problem and we had addressed it maybe we would of stayed up under malky but as I said tan was not going to let malky spend in January
and why do you keep bringing up I sang don't sack mackay for the umpteenth time and the last I wanted malky gone in October ive made that quite clear
ive also made it quite clear that when that didn't happen I believed it was too late to sack him in late December early January so I supported those singing don't sack mackay now fuc.off and stop making things up and go back being a nice little moderator and leave the debating to those that can read properly

CHUCKLES
where do I say we are to blamethought the ??? would of shown it was a question

where did I say that you thought that was the case. Thought the ? Would have shown that it was a question.

where does obvious come from (your at it again making things up)

its clear to see we were never going to score enough goals to stay up

Obvious... Clear to see... Same meaning.

where do I say we would of gone down

you hint at it here.

[color=#0000FF]

its clear to see we were never going to score enough goals to stay up

think my opinion was we would not score enough goals to stay up if indeed that was the problem and we had addressed it maybe we would of stayed up under malky but as I said tan was not going to let malky spend in January

well that isn't the fans fault.

and why do you keep bringing up I sang don't sack mackay for the umpteenth time and the last I wanted malky gone in October ive made that quite clear

because you're having a pop at fans for doing something you did yourself.

ive also made it quite clear that when that didn't happen I believed it was too late to sack him in late December early January so I supported those singing don't sack mackay now fuc.off and stop making things up and go back being a nice little moderator and leave the debating to those that can read properly

Just look at your first example. Who is to blame for the low merchandise sales?

Just look at your first example. Who is to blame for the low merchandise sales?

the person who made it unmarketable to its key demographic

The history and heritage of our club is far more important than our position in the league system
I have to say everytime I read that statement it bamboozles me, everyone wants to be blue. But what you are saying is aslong as we are blue you wouldn't care if we lost every week 10-0 you would be happy. Complete and utter bullshit!

The HISTORY and HERITAGE of our club if far far far more important than a league position that can change from year to year, I enjoy watching the CITY wether it's against Manchester Utd or Carlisle Utd and have done so every season since 1968

Just over 2 years ago I would of bought 4 City shirts plus merchandise for my car etc
At Xmas and my birthday all my presents would come from the club shop.
Since August 2012 nothing has been bought from there and I have not once even gone in there

My oldest lad is now 17 and won't wear replica shirts. Prefers designer stuff. My middle boy Tommy is 10 and would have had all 3 kits plus keepers top for last 2 seasons and this. 2 seasons ago my mum bought him the blue shirt and black shirt. Last season she bought him the blue away. I expect he'll get the blue away shirt for Xmas from her this year. I haven't been in club shop for 18 months. Last time I went in the red everywhere put me off.

My youngest boy is 4 and I'd love to get him into ccfc but I won't buy him anything rom the club. He has a few of the boys old tops and unless my mum buys him a top he won't have a ccfc shirt.

As soon as we go back to blue with a proper badge I'll spend my cash in the shop.