Middle east

A school shelled today, children dead .........where are the worlds politicians, where are the united nations,no matter what you think of this conflict and the history of it, this cant go on.Its always the innocent who suffer the most.

Hamas have rejected two cease fires!!!

That's the way its always been. Pawns in a political game of chess. We are disposable to the elite unless we are serving them and paying them taxes.

The Romans, the Viking's, the Ming Dynasty, Soviet Union, British Empire, Ottoman Empire, Mongol Empire etc. All the civil wars and conquests.

The world has always been a vile place. A few elected puppets aren't going to change that.

The united nations should be put in there now.........and no choices for either side.By the way Israel only want peace on their terms as well.It works both ways, but firstly the world must stop the senseless killing of children who cant escape from a warzone.

That's the way its always been. Pawns in a political game of chess. We are disposable to the elite unless we are serving them and paying them taxes.

The Romans, the Viking's, the Ming Dynasty, Soviet Union, British Empire, Ottoman Empire, Mongol Empire etc. All the civil wars and conquests.

The world has always been a vile place. A few elected puppets aren't going to change that.

But Hamas ARE elected in by the people so they are the elected puppets who can stop it but on two opportunities have turned the offer of a cease fire down.

Glad I don't live in that part of the world with my family,it must be a living nightmare especially for the kids

no side is blameless but it doesn't help when hamas use blocks as flats as human shields!

A school shelled today, children dead .........where are the worlds politicians, where are the united nations,no matter what you think of this conflict and the history of it, this cant go on.Its always the innocent who suffer the most.

It's a total disgrace

The united nations should be put in there now.........and no choices for either side.By the way Israel only want peace on their terms as well.It works both ways, but firstly the world must stop the senseless killing of children who cant escape from a warzone.

Its been tried before.A peace-keeping force whether The U.N. or some other organisation it wouldn't matter.They would be just sitting ducks for the snipers.The British army tried years ago but couldn't keep them apart and too many body bags as well.Today the british public just wouldn't stand for it.

A United Nations official had previously warned everybody to leave that school - but they had not. He knew it was a target for attack.
Admitting 20 Hamas rockets stored in the school.

Probably best not to rely just on one source for your news if an unbiased reporting/opinion is required.

Whoever thinks Hamas are blameless in this are clueless

Whoever thinks Hamas are blameless in this are clueless

Same goes for the Israelies.

[quote="Military Junta"]Whoever thinks Hamas are blameless in this are clueless[/quote
what is very strange is most of the arab nations have distanced themselves from hamas { who of course are regarded by most of the world as terrorists........EGYPT even declared war on hamas last year.......Hamas .oversee a nation in poverty,unable now to even pay public workers, yet spend millions on re inforced tunnels and a stock pile of misiles to attack their neighbour........
yet here.......i cant get my head around it..........feed your kids or buy some bullets......should always be feed the kids

Whoever thinks Hamas are blameless in this are clueless

Well Hamas are no angels; but shouldn't Israeli be targeting Hamas and not innocent civilians. That was the initial message by the IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) that they want to go after the militants.

Israel have the full capability and technology to target Hamas, but yet they are slaughtering women, children and the elderly. Yet, on a daily basis the Israelis keep on stealing Palestinian land, and using religion to justify that Palestine belongs to them.

They are even targeting UN designated shelters, which the Israelis were fully aware off prior to the strikes.

Hence, as a result you create a terrorist organisation like Hamas who are on full vengeance to eliminate Israel, because no one gives a shit about the Palestinians.

Regardless of what's going on, women and children are innocent, regardless if your Israeli, Palestinian, Muslim, Jewish or Christian.

Hamas are using them as human sheilds to protect their weapons and these re the same people who have voted in Hamas

Hamas are using them as human sheilds to protect their weapons and these re the same people who have voted in Hamas

Voted in? Wasn't there a civil war between Hamas and fatah several years ago?

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Hamas are using them as human sheilds to protect their weapons and these re the same people who have voted in Hamas

Voted in? Wasn't there a civil war between Hamas and fatah several years ago?

Hamas got VOTED in
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00372.html

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

It is Egypt who drew up the ceasefire plans but the problem is that the leaders of Egypt and Hamas don't get on personally

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

If the borders were open they would be able to control who is coming in and out and they would know for what reasons. Opening the borders would mean there would be no need for tunnels.

The tunnels are also used to get food and materials in not just for crime.

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

If the borders were open they would be able to control who is coming in and out and they would know for what reasons. Opening the borders would mean there would be no need for tunnels.

The tunnels are also used to get food and materials in not just for crime.

If Egypt wanted the boarders open then why did they not state it in their peace deal ?

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

If the borders were open they would be able to control who is coming in and out and they would know for what reasons. Opening the borders would mean there would be no need for tunnels.

The tunnels are also used to get food and materials in not just for crime.

If Egypt wanted the boarders open then why did they not state it in their peace deal ?

They didn't which is why Hamas rejected the deal.

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

If the borders were open they would be able to control who is coming in and out and they would know for what reasons. Opening the borders would mean there would be no need for tunnels.

The tunnels are also used to get food and materials in not just for crime.

If Egypt wanted the boarders open then why did they not state it in their peace deal ?

They didn't which is why Hamas rejected the deal.

So why should Egypt keep a boarder open when it's their board too ? Are Egypt as bad as Israel now then ? Or is it really the fact that no-one trusts Hamas ?

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

If the borders were open they would be able to control who is coming in and out and they would know for what reasons. Opening the borders would mean there would be no need for tunnels.

The tunnels are also used to get food and materials in not just for crime.

If Egypt wanted the boarders open then why did they not state it in their peace deal ?

They didn't which is why Hamas rejected the deal.

So why should Egypt keep a boarder open when it's their board too ? Are Egypt as bad as Israel now then ? Or is it really the fact that no-one trusts Hamas ?

They probably don't trust Hamas. I don't trust David Cameron should we close all boarders to England?

This is all about innocent people dying. That is what the outrage is over and you completely over look that.

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

If the borders were open they would be able to control who is coming in and out and they would know for what reasons. Opening the borders would mean there would be no need for tunnels.

The tunnels are also used to get food and materials in not just for crime.

If Egypt wanted the boarders open then why did they not state it in their peace deal ?

They didn't which is why Hamas rejected the deal.

So why should Egypt keep a boarder open when it's their board too ? Are Egypt as bad as Israel now then ? Or is it really the fact that no-one trusts Hamas ?

They probably don't trust Hamas. I don't trust David Cameron should we close all boarders to England?

This is all about innocent people dying. That is what the outrage is over and you completely over look that.

No it's not it's about a population who voted in a terrorist organisation and now feeling the effects of that. Any sensible organisation would have agreed a peace deal and worked with Egypt until the Egyptians were confident enough to open the boarders again but oh not Hamas who were the peoples choice

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

If the borders were open they would be able to control who is coming in and out and they would know for what reasons. Opening the borders would mean there would be no need for tunnels.

The tunnels are also used to get food and materials in not just for crime.

If Egypt wanted the boarders open then why did they not state it in their peace deal ?

They didn't which is why Hamas rejected the deal.

So why should Egypt keep a boarder open when it's their board too ? Are Egypt as bad as Israel now then ? Or is it really the fact that no-one trusts Hamas ?

They probably don't trust Hamas. I don't trust David Cameron should we close all boarders to England?

This is all about innocent people dying. That is what the outrage is over and you completely over look that.

No it's not it's about a population who voted in a terrorist organisation and now feeling the effects of that. Any sensible organisation would have agreed a peace deal and worked with Egypt until the Egyptians were confident enough to open the boarders again but oh not Hamas who were the peoples choice

So innocent people deserve to die and it is justified?

As far as I am aware, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire because the agreement would mean the border at Egypt would remain closed meaning they are still unable to get food etc.

The tunnels aren't just for attacking people, they are a way of getting in and out of gaza and getting materials in and out as well. By blowing up these tunnels, they are stopping some weaponry getting into gaza but are punishing the innocent civilians more who are unable to eat and receive proper treatment.

Israel have some of the best weaponry and war technology there is. There is no need for hospitals to be blown up and scores of innocent children and families to be killed. This continuous murder from the Israelis will only make the people of Palestine more angry and Hamas a stronger force with more support within Palestine.

Who are supplying Hamas/Palestinians with weapons? The rest of the Arab world do not seem very keen on supporting Hamas. The only alternative is Russia and China, so why aren't you criticising them ,unless it is you wish to attack the USA (who I also do not agree with).
If the Palestinians did not use the tunnels to transport weapons and do cowardly attacks into Israel to murder whole families in their beds or young boys walking /hitch hiking along a road, then then they would not be attacked or would be unnecessary as transport would bring supplies overland to Gaza.

If the borders were open they would be able to control who is coming in and out and they would know for what reasons. Opening the borders would mean there would be no need for tunnels.

The tunnels are also used to get food and materials in not just for crime.

If Egypt wanted the boarders open then why did they not state it in their peace deal ?

They didn't which is why Hamas rejected the deal.

So why should Egypt keep a boarder open when it's their board too ? Are Egypt as bad as Israel now then ? Or is it really the fact that no-one trusts Hamas ?

They probably don't trust Hamas. I don't trust David Cameron should we close all boarders to England?

This is all about innocent people dying. That is what the outrage is over and you completely over look that.

No it's not it's about a population who voted in a terrorist organisation and now feeling the effects of that. Any sensible organisation would have agreed a peace deal and worked with Egypt until the Egyptians were confident enough to open the boarders again but oh not Hamas who were the peoples choice

So innocent people deserve to die and it is justified?

No innocent person deserves to die but if the idiots they voted in put bombs and weaponry amongst their schools and hospital no-one in their right mind would turn a blind eye. The people knew who they voted for and Hamas started this latest round of trouble

There seems to be one group of people in that area who are completely nuts and another group who seem a bit saner to me. I think I'll go for the saner group.

Look... It's a disgrace what happens to the innocent during the wars made by men in offices.
But it's politics.
And this is a football forum is it not?