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' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:30 pm

Stayed of these topics for a long time, but I was just talking to some football fans in Mallorca , which reminded me.

Last season when Malky was on his way and Tan and Sam started talking again, Sam suggested to Tan that the type of manager we should go for was Tony Pulis when he was available, Tan opted for Ole after Dalman suggested Ole.

Reason why I have brought this back up, is because many say Sam and Tan were in on many of the things that have happened at City, in fact it's quite the opposite.

Not a negative post and no be knows what the future holds :thumbright: :bluescarf:

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:45 pm

Annis, if that is the case (and I don't doubt you) then we MIGHT still have been in the Premier League thanks (in part) to Sam :thumbup:

Sadly, we'll never know now, but as much as I like Ole and wish him all the best fro this season, I think Pulis would have been the "better" choice for the Premier League dog-fight of last season ;)

We can only move on and (like you) my support will be firmly behind Ole and HIS (not Malky's or Tan's or Sam's) team for the coming season :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Hope the weather there is as good as here, mate :thumbup: :laughing6: :laughing6:

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:48 pm

Sven wrote:Annis, if that is the case (and I don't doubt you) then we MIGHT still have been in the Premier League thanks (in part) to Sam :thumbup:

Sadly, we'll never know now, but as much as I like Ole and wish him all the best fro this season, I think Pulis would have been the "better" choice for the Premier League dog-fight of last season ;)

We can only move on and (like you) my support will be firmly behind Ole and HIS (not Malky's or Tan's or Sam's) team for the coming season :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Hope the weather there is as good as here, mate :thumbup: :laughing6: :laughing6:


Chris, I love Ole as a person and he is a true gent, I will be fully behind him this season.

But we honestly will never know now what would of happened, but I have my strong beliefs and others have there's, that's the beauty of the game :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:19 pm

Publish linked up with Palace long before Ole arrived. With hindsight, and it hurts to say this as I still respect the man , we should have got rid of him earlier. In fact I reckon this is why Pulis delayed for weeks taking palace on as he thoufmght he had a chance if the City job.

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:21 pm

Lawnmower wrote:Publish linked up with Palace long before Ole arrived. With hindsight, and it hurts to say this as I still respect the man , we should have got rid of him earlier. In fact I reckon this is why Pulis delayed for weeks taking palace on as he thoufmght he had a chance if the City job.


Tim, Pulis did delay for weeks and openly said to Cardiff he was available.

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:50 pm

We'll done for translating that Annis :-) . When we were chanting for Tan to keep Malky we were actually reducing our clubs chances of staying up. Despite all that in the long run it's better that we as fans are seen as loyal to our managers and I don't regret it.

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:53 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Lawnmower wrote:Publish linked up with Palace long before Ole arrived. With hindsight, and it hurts to say this as I still respect the man , we should have got rid of him bearlier. In fact I reckon this is why Pulis delayed for weeks taking palace on as he thoufmght he had a chance if the City job.


Tim, Pulis did delay for weeks and openly said to Cardiff he was available.

But annis you were one of the main people and protesters wanting tan not to sack malky at the time do you think in hindsight that tan should of got rid of malky earlier ?

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:01 pm

I think with Pulis we'd have had a better chance of staying up, but on the other hand I think Ole is the better choice for building for the future and we hopefully can look forward to some exciting football next season.

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:16 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Stayed of these topics for a long time, but I was just talking to some football fans in Mallorca , which reminded me.

Last season when Malky was on his way and Tan and Sam started talking again, Sam suggested to Tan that the type of manager we should go for was Tony Pulis when he was available, Tan opted for Ole after Dalman suggested Ole.

Reason why I have brought this back up, is because many say Sam and Tan were in on many of the things that have happened at City, in fact it's quite the opposite.

Not a negative post and no be knows what the future holds :thumbright: :bluescarf:


Is that why Sam Hammam was quoted on 27th December 2013 by the BBC as saying "It is now high time that Vincent Tan takes full and complete control of all aspects of the club as and when he can."
Hammam believes Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is the ideal candidate to replace Mackay. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:19 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Lawnmower wrote:Publish linked up with Palace long before Ole arrived. With hindsight, and it hurts to say this as I still respect the man , we should have got rid of him bearlier. In fact I reckon this is why Pulis delayed for weeks taking palace on as he thoufmght he had a chance if the City job.


Tim, Pulis did delay for weeks and openly said to Cardiff he was available.

But annis you were one of the main people and protesters wanting tan not to sack malky at the time do you think in hindsight that tan should of got rid of malky earlier ?





I don't believe Annis has ever said he thought Malky should have gone earlier. In fact, he says the opposite when asked, even now ;)

Like me, Annis wanted Malky to stay for the season and I still firmly believe that he deserved the opportunity after taking us up and (with the beauty of hindsight) he might as well have, as the worse scenario (i.e. relegation) was realised anyway! :(

That it turned out Tan may well have had good (or reasonable) cause to sack Malky in the end doesn't disguise the way it was all done and the fans who called his name every game were right to do so given the evidence they had AT THAT TIME ;)

If (as appears) there was a "breakdown of trust" between owner and manager, then in business terms Malky might well have gone earlier, but whether Pulis would have got the job at any time is all subject to conjecture

He didn't, Ole did, we got relegated and we move on...unfortunately not in the Premier League

Simple facts of the matter :thumbup:

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:27 pm

Sven I don't think anyone was saying annis said he should of gone earlier

The guy was asking annis if he now thought Malky should of gone earlier now we know tan and Malky had lost trust in each other :bluescarf: :ole:

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:47 pm

troobloo3339 wrote:Sven I don't think anyone was saying annis said he should of gone earlier

The guy was asking annis if he now thought Malky should of gone earlier now we know tan and Malky had lost trust in each other :bluescarf: :ole:

That's what I was saying ,annis said that pulis was available but some Cardiff fans were protesting to tan to keep malky ,do these fans now with hindsight think that they were wrong

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:24 pm

i dont think it is right to protest for or against sacking a manager tbh..........
fans are never in the position of having enough info on what goes on at clubs..
we all knew the relationship had broken down.........all knew it was a matter of time
fans protested to keep a situation that was not working....

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:33 pm

simon.wiesenthal wrote:i dont think it is right to protest for or against sacking a manager tbh..........
fans are never in the position of having enough info on what goes on at clubs..
we all knew the relationship had broken down.........all knew it was a matter of time
fans protested to keep a situation that was not working....



I think if any of those fans were honest the performances away at stoke and palace four days later warranted Malky going then.
Big error by tan because that was the one time where I think the fans would have provided least resistance.

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:51 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Stayed of these topics for a long time, but I was just talking to some football fans in Mallorca , which reminded me.

Last season when Malky was on his way and Tan and Sam started talking again, Sam suggested to Tan that the type of manager we should go for was Tony Pulis when he was available, Tan opted for Ole after Dalman suggested Ole.

Reason why I have brought this back up, is because many say Sam and Tan were in on many of the things that have happened at City, in fact it's quite the opposite.

Not a negative post and no be knows what the future holds :thumbright: :bluescarf:



Never look back Pal, the past is the past, look to the future, maybe this season will be way more fun and we will grow more this season because we didn't opt for the easy choice like Pullis ????

We could still go up and they could go down ?!?!

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:52 pm

steve davies wrote:
simon.wiesenthal wrote:i dont think it is right to protest for or against sacking a manager tbh..........
fans are never in the position of having enough info on what goes on at clubs..
we all knew the relationship had broken down.........all knew it was a matter of time
fans protested to keep a situation that was not working....



I think if any of those fans were honest the performances away at stoke and palace four days later warranted Malky going then.
Big error by tan because that was the one time where I think the fans would have provided least resistance.


I agree and, while we're on the subject, I think Tan's timing has let him down repeatedly, not just with this but with a number of other issues too.

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:14 pm

The sacking of Malky was bad timing.

Relationship between Tan and Malky had broken down well before the Scotsmans dismissal. Performances on the field reflected it. The departure of Moody should have been followed by Malky being forced out. That would have given the new boss time to do the business. Now it looks like we would have had Pulis and looking at what he did at Palace we could quite easily still be in the premier.

The departure of Malky to me was the wrong move. Better the devil you know could have kept us up. I certainly don't think we would have collapse like we did. To a certain degree I feel we might not quite recover enough to go straight back up.

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:15 pm

It's not rocket science to suggest Pulis would make a good manager when he had ALREADY been at Palace a month before Malky was sacked and Palace had accrued 12 points in that time.

Its a hindsight statement by Sam that ANYONE would have said having seen what Tony had done in 30 days.

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:28 pm

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Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:54 pm

Pulis was already in a job :?

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:13 pm

I thought all this a long time ago,,so did Pulis. Such is life!!!

Re: ' Sam/Tan '

Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:17 pm

Pulis would never taken the job if he was offered it at the same time Ole was. Pulis is the kinda manager who doesn`t jump into things and he took the Palace job because he was offered time to evaluate the squad and money to improve it in january.

Ole had 2 weeks to evaluate his squad and start improving it during a short transfer window and his budget was the same that Pulis spent on 1 player. I think we should give huge credit to Ole for setting his reputation on the line and taking the job under really hard circumstances.

Ole works for us now and he wants to give us what I love with football. Entertainment!

I did not enjoy Premier League with Malky in charge because we were mostly defending. I actually enjoyed the loss against Pool more than most of Malky`s matches.
Happy to see him gone and the fact that no other clubs have signed him up yet confirms what i have said all along, no big clubs are impressed with his achievements but he still have lots of years to improve as a manager.

Pulis is a great manager but i really doubt he was the man to take us forward. I hope Ole is.