Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:26 pm
Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:57 pm
Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:01 pm
Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:08 pm
Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:10 pm
DrDre wrote:Is this some sick joke?? VT on the same list as John Batchelor and that Darlington bloke ?!
They raped, defrauded and pillaged and he changed the colour of a jersey and a badge!
The worse is some 'fans' are happy about it!
Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:18 pm
Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:48 pm
Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:51 pm
Penyfai Blue wrote:Tan may not be the worst Chairman on the list, but lets not forget he's no saint either.
He's stripped us of our 100 year identity, made us a laughing stock to the rest of the sporting world, split the fan base to the point of violence, and put us £150 million in debt (or there about).
He certainly wouldn't win any prizes for best Chairman.
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:02 pm
Penyfai Blue wrote:Tan may not be the worst Chairman on the list, but lets not forget he's no saint either.
He's stripped us of our 100 year identity, made us a laughing stock to the rest of the sporting world, split the fan base to the point of violence, and put us £150 million in debt (or there about)
Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:16 pm
murphy wrote:Penyfai Blue wrote:Tan may not be the worst Chairman on the list, but lets not forget he's no saint either.
He's stripped us of our 100 year identity, made us a laughing stock to the rest of the sporting world, split the fan base to the point of violence, and put us £150 million in debt (or there about).
He certainly wouldn't win any prizes for best Chairman.
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Well said. Promotion would be tragic for us this season as Tan will stay with us then. We need the c**t gone ASAP.
Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:03 pm
pembroke allan wrote:murphy wrote:Penyfai Blue wrote:Tan may not be the worst Chairman on the list, but lets not forget he's no saint either.
He's stripped us of our 100 year identity, made us a laughing stock to the rest of the sporting world, split the fan base to the point of violence, and put us £150 million in debt (or there about).
He certainly wouldn't win any prizes for best Chairman.
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Well said. Promotion would be tragic for us this season as Tan will stay with us then. We need the c**t gone ASAP.
and you are supposed to be a city fan? hoping we dont get promotion? go support someone else if you feel that about our club :!tan isnt going anyehere prom or not,
Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:07 pm
pembroke allan wrote:murphy wrote:Penyfai Blue wrote:Tan may not be the worst Chairman on the list, but lets not forget he's no saint either.
He's stripped us of our 100 year identity, made us a laughing stock to the rest of the sporting world, split the fan base to the point of violence, and put us £150 million in debt (or there about).
He certainly wouldn't win any prizes for best Chairman.
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Well said. Promotion would be tragic for us this season as Tan will stay with us then. We need the c**t gone ASAP.
and you are supposed to be a city fan? hoping we dont get promotion? go support someone else if you feel that about our club :!tan isnt going anyehere prom or not,
Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:23 am
murphy wrote:
If you want a red prem club f**k off to liverpool, arsenal or united. They'll always be there.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:01 am
DrDre wrote:
and if you want a blue club f**k off to everton, portsmouth or chesterfield. They'll always be there.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:04 am
Barry Chuckle wrote:DrDre wrote:
and if you want a blue club f**k off to everton, portsmouth or chesterfield. They'll always be there.
Most people just want the club to be in it's traditional identity. Surely any football fan can understand that.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:10 am
Barry Chuckle wrote:DrDre wrote:
and if you want a blue club f**k off to everton, portsmouth or chesterfield. They'll always be there.
Most people just want the club to be in it's traditional identity. Surely any football fan can understand that.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:19 am
Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:20 am
DrDre wrote:Of course I can. But to me our identity is much more than just a colour.
of course. Two major parts of it have been trampled on with no regard to supporters feelings, so you can surely understand why some fans hold VT in a rather dim light.
What I can't understand is the attitude of some people, like the 'if you want a red club f**k off' poster.
your post about blue clubs was just as ridiculous.
No-one wants a red club, we just want out club doing well on and -more importantly- off the pitch. If it takes a colour change to achieve that, then surely that's a small price to pay. Surely any football fan can understand that.
club traditions and identity are far more important to this club than short term success on the field. Doing well off the pitch? The club is in more debt than ever, scarily so. I cannot fathom how anyone can say that we are doing better off the pitch, especially with a split in the fan base as big as the one at Cardiff is.
I'm sorry, but no. I cannot understand your happiness to trade the identity of this club for some short term success & a bigger debt than ever before.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:01 am
Barry Chuckle wrote:club traditions and identity are far more important to this club than short term success on the field. Doing well off the pitch? The club is in more debt than ever, scarily so. I cannot fathom how anyone can say that we are doing better off the pitch, especially with a split in the fan base as big as the one at Cardiff is.
Barry Chuckle wrote:I'm sorry, but no. I cannot understand your happiness to trade the identity of this club for some short term success & a bigger debt than ever before.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:12 am
murphy wrote:pembroke allan wrote:murphy wrote:Penyfai Blue wrote:Tan may not be the worst Chairman on the list, but lets not forget he's no saint either.
He's stripped us of our 100 year identity, made us a laughing stock to the rest of the sporting world, split the fan base to the point of violence, and put us £150 million in debt (or there about).
He certainly wouldn't win any prizes for best Chairman.
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Well said. Promotion would be tragic for us this season as Tan will stay with us then. We need the c**t gone ASAP.
and you are supposed to be a city fan? hoping we dont get promotion? go support someone else if you feel that about our club :!tan isnt going anyehere prom or not,
If you want a red prem club f**k off to liverpool, arsenal or united. They'll always be there.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:29 am
DrDre wrote:
First off, traditions are born and die all the time. My dad was disgusted when he saw some young 'hooligans' tapping their head back in the 90s. If everyone thought about traditions like you do, then the Ayatollah would have never caught on.
I've seen some bizarre justifications for the rebrand in the past, but this one of the most daft.
Secondly, you can't seriously believe we're now in a worse condition off the pitch since Tan took over ?!?
Have you seen any winding-up orders lately?
Have you seen any staff being paid late?
Have you seen any players been airlifted as a cut-price sale to other clubs?
Have you seen any jumped-up Scottish knobheads publicly ridiculing us on Sky television and asking for their money back?
have you seen our debt level? You do realise that it will have to be paid off at some point? How do you suggest that is going to happen? He's already confirmed that he won't do a full debt to equity, as he originally promised a few years ago.
No you haven't. Instead you've seen financial stability and continuous investment in the team and facilities on an unprecedented level.
continuous loans, which will have to be paid back at some point.
As for the 'debt', how can you call it that when no interest is charged, no repayments are being made and no claims lie against it ??
how can I call it a debt? Because that is what it is!if someone lent a friend £200, he would be in debt to his friend to the level of £200. Just because he isn't chagrin interest, doesn't mean it isn't a debt.
There's debt and there's 'debt' :
Owing 100 mill to someone with an active interest in the club who intends to exchange it for equity is MUCH BETTER than owing 40 mill to some anonymous hedge-fund who want to recoup their money to their best interests, or to the HMRC who won't hesitate to wind us up in order to get their pound of flesh.
to say that things are going the right way, when the debt level has increased by such dramatic levels, is naive or just plain daft.
I'm sorry but I think your hatred of Tan has blinkered you so much that you cant see the reality of the situation.
absolutely not. I'm struggling to see how we are any better under his ownership. In my opinion, we are worse off.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:30 am
Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:02 am
Barry Chuckle wrote:DrDre wrote:
First off, traditions are born and die all the time. My dad was disgusted when he saw some young 'hooligans' tapping their head back in the 90s. If everyone thought about traditions like you do, then the Ayatollah would have never caught on.
I've seen some bizarre justifications for the rebrand in the past, but this one of the most daft.
Barry Chuckle wrote:DrDre wrote:Secondly, you can't seriously believe we're now in a worse condition off the pitch since Tan took over ?!?
Have you seen any winding-up orders lately?
Have you seen any staff being paid late?
Have you seen any players been airlifted as a cut-price sale to other clubs?
Have you seen any jumped-up Scottish knobheads publicly ridiculing us on Sky television and asking for their money back?
have you seen our debt level? You do realise that it will have to be paid off at some point? How do you suggest that is going to happen? He's already confirmed that he won't do a full debt to equity, as he originally promised a few years ago.
Barry Chuckle wrote:continuous loans, which will have to be paid back at some point.
Barry Chuckle wrote:how can I call it a debt? Because that is what it is!if someone lent a friend £200, he would be in debt to his friend to the level of £200. Just because he isn't chagrin interest, doesn't mean it isn't a debt.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:32 pm
murphy wrote:pembroke allan wrote:murphy wrote:Penyfai Blue wrote:Tan may not be the worst Chairman on the list, but lets not forget he's no saint either.
He's stripped us of our 100 year identity, made us a laughing stock to the rest of the sporting world, split the fan base to the point of violence, and put us £150 million in debt (or there about).
He certainly wouldn't win any prizes for best Chairman.
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Well said. Promotion would be tragic for us this season as Tan will stay with us then. We need the c**t gone ASAP.
and you are supposed to be a city fan? hoping we dont get promotion? go support someone else if you feel that about our club :!tan isnt going anyehere prom or not,
If you want a red prem club f**k off to liverpool, arsenal or united. They'll always be there.
Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:39 pm
Penyfai Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:murphy wrote:Penyfai Blue wrote:Tan may not be the worst Chairman on the list, but lets not forget he's no saint either.
He's stripped us of our 100 year identity, made us a laughing stock to the rest of the sporting world, split the fan base to the point of violence, and put us £150 million in debt (or there about).
He certainly wouldn't win any prizes for best Chairman.
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Well said. Promotion would be tragic for us this season as Tan will stay with us then. We need the c**t gone ASAP.
and you are supposed to be a city fan? hoping we dont get promotion? go support someone else if you feel that about our club :!tan isnt going anyehere prom or not,
As I said
Sorry pembroke allan but there's more to supporting a football club than just glory. It's a life sentence no matter what division your team is in and I'd rather support my club in the bottom division and run as a football club should be with it's traditions in place, than in the Premier league in a kit that makes us unrecognisable and £150m in debt.
Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:49 pm
Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:53 am
murphy wrote:The sooner we're back in blue even if its in league 2 and rid of the likes of pemb allan and dr dre the better
Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:04 am
Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:09 am
murphy wrote:The sooner we're back in blue even if its in league 2 and rid of the likes of pemb allan and dr dre the better