" Are we getting rid of the wrong players ? "

Are we getting rid of the wrong players ?

Don Cowie, Craig Conway, Kevin McNaughton

All good for the Championship,real battlers in my opinion.

I personally believe those are the type of players you need to get out of this division, with of course some real quality added to the squad.

They are the players that got us out of the Championship last time in which not only did we win it, we won it very comfortable

I know many will disagree with me, but that's what's good about football and other people's opinions

I also believe Peter Whittingham on his day is class, but on his day, for the last 18 months I believe he has done hardly anything, but then I am only a fan and its a fans opinion.

Whitts gets an extra 3 years contract.

Honest opinions please, don't shoot me down to much as it's how I see it

we need players that can do well in the championship and can make the step up to the premier league the problem last time was our players were good enough for the championship but we had so many players who couldn't make the step up and we paid the price

we need players that can do well in the championship and can make the step up to the premier league the problem last time was our players were good enough for the championship but we had so many players who couldn't make the step up and we paid the price

and just to add no we did not win the championship comfortably we got lucky at the end because every team challenging us kept slipping up like we did

Loaning Kev out is a joke.

He is still one of the best FB's in the championship and one a of very few players who genuinely be called a city legend!

IMO Kev would be our best RB, it's easy to see Fabio is a left back and we haven't seen a lot of Brayford. Either of the two Kevins for me

One of the difficult balancing acts to achieve is to have a manageable wage bill and transfer expenditure, together with enough transition players capable of playing in the PL.

It isn't a good policy to wait till promotion is certain, to then go looking for class players. The truth is that clubs new to the PL have trouble attracting top players and so the club ends up paying over the odds and granting overly generous bonuses and low transfer clause trigger thresholds.

I agree that there are good Championship players in the Cardiff squad, but losing the likes of Caulker, Medel, Campbell, etc. will create a vacuum should promotion be achieved this year.

Like I said, a difficult one, but one worth fighting for.

Loaning Kev out is not one I will agree or disagree with, only Ole thought it was right as he doesn't see him getting much game time here.

Disappointing thing is we are not taking advantage of Lee Chung Yong or Chris Eagles.

Ole done Conway a favour, MM never gave him a chance and it was best for us all.

Not really bothered about Cowie and Conway, little more disappointed at loaning out McNaughton as feel he is good cover for both FB positions. Feel we've no chance keeping Cauker and Medal, and if Cambell wants to go then feel we've got adequate replacements. What really worries me is the chance we could lose Mutch, feel the club are asking for trouble telling Sunderland that they'll talk at 5 million, someone is bound to come in at that price, if not Sunderland maybe Palarce, QPR or Leicester.

I think Annis is right about Cowie, Conway and McNaughton being the sort of players who will get you promoted and I agree with him wholeheartedly about that.

However, and this is a big however, I honestly think our squad this year is so much better than our promotion squad. I think we will lose a few games but I also think we will hit 92 points and score close to 100 goals.

Its a very pleasing fact that CCFC has developed and can afford to offload the calibre of players that we are. It is a sign of the quality that we have within our squad and, if the board will accept my apologies for sounding positive, I have never looked forward to a season as much as I am looking forward to this.

This will be another promotion year. This will be a year when those who like a bet win quite a bit on CCFC. But most of all this will be a year when our weekends are enjoyable and happy - because Saturday can make or destroy your weekend.

The thing is this we are possibly bringing in Premier players who also have experience in the championship, last season we brought in players that were very good for the championship, but could not cut it in the premiership, pehaps this season we doing it the right way

I have always worked in sales and most sales managers and directors are very fickle, they see a salesman have one good month or sign one big deal and that salesman can live off of that for a very long time.

As fans we are the same, whilst I admire Whitts and chuffed for him that he has got the extension to his contract that he wanted, I do believe a lot of us and the club are very fickle when it comes to his consistency, all due to the one great season he had and the odd game that he has done well in since. (My fickle side is that I do like him, my head tells me he should only be on our bench at best considering his consistency)

The players Annis has mentioned will always put a shift in and give you consistent performances, which in my opinion is good enough for this league but not for the prem, therefore Ole had a dilemma, does he build a squad good enough to battle in the championship or builds one that can get him promoted with as few additions as possible needed in the prem ?

Ole is showing great ambition here and for his sake I hope he delivers.

i would have liked Cowie to stay, but not too fussed on the other two, both good players still at this level so could obviously have done a job, but there wouldnt have been a way that either of them would have started this season

i would have liked Cowie to stay, but not too fussed on the other two, both good players still at this level so could obviously have done a job, but there wouldnt have been a way that either of them would have started this season

same here, but end of the day a contract was on the table.

Conway Cowie and kev ,there time was up ole has replaced them with better players ,time to move on

The only one I think could get game time would be Conway - Cowie is a waste of time and Kev to be fair was probably way down pecking order for 2014.

I think Ole has recruited well and I think we have future proofed our squad in these positions rather than relying on past good players

i would have liked Cowie to stay, but not too fussed on the other two, both good players still at this level so could obviously have done a job, but there wouldnt have been a way that either of them would have started this season

same here, but end of the day a contract was on the table.

yes good point.


I imagine the guy just wants to play football, which he wont be getting too much of here.

Conway Cowie and kev ,there time was up ole has replaced them with better players ,time to move on

Agree. We are getting rid of the right players and more need to go. We've moved on and improved. We will get promotion this year with good players and playing good football.

We don't need championship battlers. We got promoted with a group of battlers last time round. Then had to completely rebuild for the premiership. We need to build a squad who we can keep around and slightly supplement with promotion. We know Cowie, Conway and kev weren't good enough for the top league so why do we want them when we have better

Cowie had many chances to stay, he didn't want to. Conway left last season, McNaughton is a bit puzzling,,,but it all depends on the quality of players that OGS brings in.

I'm glad Whittingham has committed, after all, if he was to jump ship, i think we would all be worried.

Cowie had many chances to stay, he didn't want to. Conway left last season, McNaughton is a bit puzzling,,,but it all depends on the quality of players that OGS brings in.

I'm glad Whittingham has committed, after all, if he was to jump ship, i think we would all be worried.

I agree with this. At the end of the day, we are getting in better players.

its a case of cross fingers, what was obvious was that the players and tactics last time fell a long way short when we got promoted with only 2 or 3 making any sort of impact in the prem.it really isnt enough..i think this time we will have more balance and better players than the year b4 last ,whether it will work is another matter.........

I wouldn't say that we are "Getting Rid" of the 3 players mentioned here because in the case of at least 2 of them, Conway & Cowie, the both decided they wanted to go. Also in the case of Conway he was loaned out and then sold last season after he didn't even make the 25 man PL squad. Kev is a case apart from the other two because he is almost universally loved by the fans and is a legend in most every concieveable meaning of the word but, How close to the 18 man match day squad will Kev get?

I would say that Fabio, Brayford, John and Catherine are all ahead of him so, in my opinion, a season long loan works well for both the club and Kev. In fact the loan is probably a better situation for the club because in my opinion if OGS had let Kev walk away this summer he still would have ended up at Bolton but under the loan deal hopefully he won't be able to play against us. Is OGS that clever who knows but the writing has been "On the wall" for Kev for a couple of seasons now. Last season he only appeared in 5 games and the season before just 27, the same as Gestede and Conway.

Cowie also has been on the downward slope as regards appearances, even under MM, where in his first season with the club he appeared in 43 league matches, in his second season it dropped to just 25 and last season it was 18. Again how close would Cowie have got to the match day squad For the same reasons as Kev I think Cowie has moved in the hope of playing more often.

In all 3 cases I think it has been the right decision for both parties that the players move on and I thank them for thier efforts on behalf of our club and wish them well in the future.

Are we getting rid of the wrong players ?

Don Cowie, Craig Conway, Kevin McNaughton

All good for the Championship,real battlers in my opinion.

I personally believe those are the type of players you need to get out of this division, with of course some real quality added to the squad.

They are the players that got us out of the Championship last time in which not only did we win it, we won it very comfortable

I know many will disagree with me, but that's what's good about football and other people's opinions

I also believe Peter Whittingham on his day is class, but on his day, for the last 18 months I believe he has done hardly anything, but then I am only a fan and its a fans opinion.

Whitts gets an extra 3 years contract.

Honest opinions please, don't shoot me down to much as it's how I see it

Annis,it was clear to me last season when Ole first came in his biggest problem as he saw it was he couldn't change the mentality of the squad which was something he needed to do.This backs to the wall,were all in this together,defend,defend,defend attitude needed to be broken in favour of something a lot more positive.He couldn't acheive this last season so I suppose the only way to do this is to breakup Malky's squad as far as possible and bring in players with a different type of focus.

Macnaughton is better than fabio. Without a doubt.
He makes less mistakes with the ball. And that's whats important not how you look with the ball

Loaning Kev out is a joke.

He is still one of the best FB's in the championship and one a of very few players who genuinely be called a city legend!

I think Kev had to go mate, wasn't ever going to get near the first team, Ole likes to play with attacking wing backs who are good on the ball (Fabio, John and Brayford). Regardless of the fact Kev is a hero to the fans, would rather see him playing every week for Bolton than rotting in our squad.

I think Gunnarson and Hudson should go also, Hudson had a great season when we got promoted and really was a rock, but too injury prone, need a strong CB partnership.

Should never have gotten rid of Conway IMO, was superb at this level.

I wouldn't say that we are "Getting Rid" of the 3 players mentioned here because in the case of at least 2 of them, Conway & Cowie, the both decided they wanted to go. Also in the case of Conway he was loaned out and then sold last season after he didn't even make the 25 man PL squad. Kev is a case apart from the other two because he is almost universally loved by the fans and is a legend in most every concieveable meaning of the word but, How close to the 18 man match day squad will Kev get?

I would say that Fabio, Brayford, John and Catherine are all ahead of him so, in my opinion, a season long loan works well for both the club and Kev. In fact the loan is probably a better situation for the club because in my opinion if OGS had let Kev walk away this summer he still would have ended up at Bolton but under the loan deal hopefully he won't be able to play against us. Is OGS that clever who knows but the writing has been "On the wall" for Kev for a couple of seasons now. Last season he only appeared in 5 games and the season before just 27, the same as Gestede and Conway.

Cowie also has been on the downward slope as regards appearances, even under MM, where in his first season with the club he appeared in 43 league matches, in his second season it dropped to just 25 and last season it was 18. Again how close would Cowie have got to the match day squad For the same reasons as Kev I think Cowie has moved in the hope of playing more often.

In all 3 cases I think it has been the right decision for both parties that the players move on and I thank them for thier efforts on behalf of our club and wish them well in the future.

I'm sorry to see Kev leave, but I think the one year contract extension was down to Ole not knowing if Brayford would stay and make the RB position his own, rather than a cunning plan to keep Kev out of the Bolton side when we play them. The fact Ole has let him go on loan suggests he is happy with Brayford.

If Connolly is back to his best after injury (?) he is good cover in this league for RB and CB. What we have lost with Kev is the ability to play all across the back line, including LB

I totally agree with Annis. First game of the season at Blackburn, I can see Conway putting over a cross and Rudy banging in a header! Every player Ole has got rid of so far would have been a more than useful squad member in the Championship. Hopefully, Ole's own players will be improvements, but I honestly don't think Ole's players have the same guts, grit, character and steel about them which are essential to succeed over a 46 game slog in the Championship.

I firmly believe we will be unable to grind out a tough 1-0 win at Rotherham under Ole and that's what's required in the Championship. There's too many games to be able to peak all the time, so when you don't perform, you must have the endeavour, organisation and character to still be able to grind out scrappy wins. Hopefully I will be proved wrong, but players like McNaughton, Conway and Cowie are good honest pro's who will always continue battling away to the very end and I think our squad is a lot worse off without these players.

I always liked Conway and left the club left themselves down with the way they treated him. He should have been involved last season and would be a starter this season.

Cowie I don't think would have made much of an impact, I'd have liked him to stay though because he is useful as back up but we offered him a deal and would be silly to break the bank for a fringe player.

Super Kev I think would have been good back up but we have so many right backs and I'm guessing no one wanted KTC so letting Kev go was the easy solution.

Are we getting rid of the wrong players ?

Don Cowie, Craig Conway, Kevin McNaughton

All good for the Championship,real battlers in my opinion.

I personally believe those are the type of players you need to get out of this division, with of course some real quality added to the squad.

They are the players that got us out of the Championship last time in which not only did we win it, we won it very comfortable

I know many will disagree with me, but that's what's good about football and other people's opinions

I also believe Peter Whittingham on his day is class, but on his day, for the last 18 months I believe he has done hardly anything, but then I am only a fan and its a fans opinion.

Whitts gets an extra 3 years contract.

Honest opinions please, don't shoot me down to much as it's how I see it

No, is the quick answer, Cowie was offered a new contract, he declined it, Conway has been unhappy for 2 years and Kev should have been released when we got promoted. They are all decent championship players, but nothing special. They would struggle to get a place in our squad

Conway has been gone for some time so I don't see how he comes under that bracket. He didn't even play in the Prem if I'm not mistaken?

(Under MM or Ole)

and no we're not IMO. Don Cowie turned his contract offer down, it was probably as a squad player considering our options in midfield so again, he left on his own accord.

Kev needed to leave, he didn't play much under either manager and is getting on now. We have younger full-backs in John, Brayford and Fabio. We may also see Thomas James a few times this season.


Ole is just stamping his authority on the team and rightfully so, more players will leave as Ole makes his own squad. So no he's not getting rid of the wrong players.