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Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:28 pm

So Whitts has been offered and he has signed a contract extension which keeps him at the club until 2017.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=144117 :thumbup:

Whitts had an excellent season in 2009/10 in terms of goals, when he scored 20 Championship goals in 41 appearances, if we include cup appearances and the play offs his stats were 25 goals from 51 appearances :bluescarf:

But the goals have not been flowing since or before that season, there is no doubt there are moments of brilliance from Whitts and nobody will forget his goals against Barnsley home, Reading away and Leicester in the play offs but are his performances consistent enough ?

Malky Mackay had Whitts playing deep, so deep he was more a defender than a midfielder. Dave Jones played him wide, in the middle and even full back.

What is Whitts best position and where would you play him ?

What if City go back up this season, is Whitts good enough for the Premier League ? Judging by last season I would have to say we would need better at that level.

If we can see Whitts playing further forward and with a general playing alongside him then possibly we will see the best of his creativeness.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:39 pm

carlccfc wrote:So Whitts has been offered and he has signed a contract extension which keeps him at the club until 2017.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=144117 :thumbup:

Whitts had an excellent season in 2009/10 in terms of goals, when he scored 20 Championship goals in 41 appearances, if we include cup appearances and the play offs his stats were 25 goals from 51 appearances :bluescarf:

But the goals have not been flowing since or before that season, there is no doubt there are moments of brilliance from Whitts and nobody will forget his goals against Barnsley home, Reading away and Leicester in the play offs but are his performances consistent enough ?

Malky Mackay had Whitts playing deep, so deep he was more a defender than a midfielder. Dave Jones played him wide, in the middle and even full back.

What is Whitts best position and where would you play him ?

What if City go back up this season, is Whitts good enough for the Premier League ? Judging by last season I would have to say we would need better at that level.

If we can see Whitts playing further forward and with a general playing alongside him then possibly we will see the best of his creativeness.



Biggest thing that stood out for me from whitts last season Carl was his poor delivery from set pieces. I lost count the number of times he never got past the first man off a corner.
Hopefully we will see a return to form this season

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:43 pm

IMO towards the end of the season Whitts was one of our best players, he also had a period in about October, November when he was playing really well. A bit of bad form and everyone turned on him which was sad to see, I'd even go as far as disgusting from the fans.

One thing you can guarantee from Whitts he will always produce when it matters, I think he'll prove a lot of doubters wrong this season, maybe not with goals with Mutch in the team but he'll create chances

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:53 pm

steve davies wrote:
carlccfc wrote:So Whitts has been offered and he has signed a contract extension which keeps him at the club until 2017.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=144117 :thumbup:

Whitts had an excellent season in 2009/10 in terms of goals, when he scored 20 Championship goals in 41 appearances, if we include cup appearances and the play offs his stats were 25 goals from 51 appearances :bluescarf:

But the goals have not been flowing since or before that season, there is no doubt there are moments of brilliance from Whitts and nobody will forget his goals against Barnsley home, Reading away and Leicester in the play offs but are his performances consistent enough ?

Malky Mackay had Whitts playing deep, so deep he was more a defender than a midfielder. Dave Jones played him wide, in the middle and even full back.

What is Whitts best position and where would you play him ?

What if City go back up this season, is Whitts good enough for the Premier League ? Judging by last season I would have to say we would need better at that level.

If we can see Whitts playing further forward and with a general playing alongside him then possibly we will see the best of his creativeness.



Biggest thing that stood out for me from whitts last season Carl was his poor delivery from set pieces. I lost count the number of times he never got past the first man off a corner.
Hopefully we will see a return to form this season

His delivery was always pivotal to his play but you are right he was not delivering last season.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:57 pm

CantonJack wrote:IMO towards the end of the season Whitts was one of our best players, he also had a period in about October, November when he was playing really well. A bit of bad form and everyone turned on him which was sad to see, I'd even go as far as disgusting from the fans.

One thing you can guarantee from Whitts he will always produce when it matters, I think he'll prove a lot of doubters wrong this season, maybe not with goals with Mutch in the team but he'll create chances

Does he always deliver when it matters though ?

We have had big games and he hasn't shine through in my opinion.

I am not dissing him but questioning whether he really is a 'big game player'?

Play off final Vs Blackpool, play off semis Vs Reading, FA Cup Final, League Cup Final, I don't remember Whitts standing out and delivering match winning performances when we really needed it.

He is not the only player but he is someone who is regarded for some reason by a section of City fans as a big game player and I don't think he is.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:03 pm

Whitts style of play makes him look like he is not interested...he has a cultured left foot but for me ..he gives the impression he is ruled by his moods..if he is up for it he is good..if not its like carrying an injured player.

His best season was when he was played on the left and he got in the box a lot... but he is quick enough to play him out wide...when at Villa he played a lot at left back and left wing...personally I think he could play in the hole behind a striker but perhaps Mutch is now more suited to that.. Maybe Ole will use him sparingly...unless he can get a more consistent performances out of him. If he was more consistent he would be invaluable in the championship.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:06 pm

carlccfc wrote:
CantonJack wrote:IMO towards the end of the season Whitts was one of our best players, he also had a period in about October, November when he was playing really well. A bit of bad form and everyone turned on him which was sad to see, I'd even go as far as disgusting from the fans.

One thing you can guarantee from Whitts he will always produce when it matters, I think he'll prove a lot of doubters wrong this season, maybe not with goals with Mutch in the team but he'll create chances

Does he always deliver when it matters though ?

We have had big games and he hasn't shine through in my opinion.

I am not dissing him but questioning whether he really is a 'big game player'?

Play off final Vs Blackpool, play off semis Vs Reading, FA Cup Final, League Cup Final, I don't remember Whitts standing out and delivering match winning performances when we really needed it.

He is not the only player but he is someone who is regarded for some reason by a section of City fans as a big game player and I don't think he is.

If I recall he was excellent in the playoff final. Some of his forward passes were quality, plus I think he got both assists, not sure on that one. Didn't do mih wrong in the league cup final either. The playoff semis vs Reading I don't think anyone played well, and he's come a very long way since the FA Cup final.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:07 pm

Whitts needs to play in central midfield in my opinion but not on the edge of our penalty area. I hope the signing of Dikacoi means that when he does play he can play higher up the pitch and be more involved trying to open up our opponents by playing in the wealth of striking talent OGS have brought to the club.

Whitts didn't have by his standards his best season, with the exception of Marshall who did, but if there is one thing I do remember about him was a pass in the final game against Chelsea. All of 60 yards right into the path of Frasier Campbell whose first touch moved him away from goal but the pass was sublime and showcased Whitts at his very best.

For me it's important OGS does his best to undo the negative way MM had Whitts playing and finds a way to bRing him back to the Whitts we knew under DJ.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:10 pm

So easy to knock one player when the team as a Whole plays bad,I believe he has more good games for us than bad one (75% -25%) and loyal with it.Good enough for me :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:14 pm

theclaw wrote:So easy to knock one player when the team as a Whole plays bad,I believe he has more good games for us than bad one (75% -25%) and loyal with it.Good enough for me :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Not knocking the guy, I am asking opinions of him as a player.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:22 pm

carlccfc wrote:
CantonJack wrote:IMO towards the end of the season Whitts was one of our best players, he also had a period in about October, November when he was playing really well. A bit of bad form and everyone turned on him which was sad to see, I'd even go as far as disgusting from the fans.

One thing you can guarantee from Whitts he will always produce when it matters, I think he'll prove a lot of doubters wrong this season, maybe not with goals with Mutch in the team but he'll create chances

Does he always deliver when it matters though ?

We have had big games and he hasn't shine through in my opinion.

I am not dissing him but questioning whether he really is a 'big game player'?

Play off final Vs Blackpool, play off semis Vs Reading, FA Cup Final, League Cup Final, I don't remember Whitts standing out and delivering match winning performances when we really needed it.

He is not the only player but he is someone who is regarded for some reason by a section of City fans as a big game player and I don't think he is.


Certainly delivered in the League Cup Final. Two of the best corners you could ever wish to see in the dying minutes of a final where a goal was needed to save the game. :bluescarf:

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:27 pm

Best player weve had at city for many ayear thank our previous managers jones mckay and now ole now more about quality than some of our supporters

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:39 pm

carlccfc wrote:
theclaw wrote:So easy to knock one player when the team as a Whole plays bad,I believe he has more good games for us than bad one (75% -25%) and loyal with it.Good enough for me :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Not knocking the guy, I am asking opinions of him as a player.

fair enough Carl,but there are plenty who want to Knock when he has had a stinker(and he's had a few).I just like the fact he has given me a lot of brilliant moments and is so loyal with it,compare that to Campbell for instance!!
For me his best position central midfield with a good ball winner along side him.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:50 pm

Malky weird obsession with playing him in a defensive role meant he was never going to get goals. He needs to play with a defensive midfielder not be the defensive midfielder.

I don't think he will get the goals he did under DJ but he can have a big impact.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:13 pm

Think whitts will benefit from not having Bellamy breathing down his neck at Set Pieces this season. :ayatollah:

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:55 pm

I hope Ole had him watching the world cup because at our level he has all the attributes to play like Bastian Schweinsteiger. No I am not comparing him to BS, but you don't have to be Javier Mascherano to be a sitting (not defensive) midfielder.

I am ready for some strange selections from Ole as he obviously believes in rotation and keeping the mile off the clock, but we have a lot of attacking talent, so that bayern/German style of two comfortable on the ball supporting midfielders suits Whitts attributes.

Agree about Bellers and that Chelsea pass to Frazier.......

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:37 pm

Hoochie Coochie Blues wrote:Think whitts will benefit from not having Bellamy breathing down his neck at Set Pieces this season. :ayatollah:


Me too :thumbup:

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:07 pm

I think the only way we stand a chance next season is if Whitts is in the team.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:11 pm

Always has time for you if you see him in the street (or Penarth Tesco) rather than some of the others

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:08 am

carlccfc wrote:I am not dissing him but questioning whether he really is a 'big game player'?


Yes you are ;-)

I think he is a great servant to our club but lost it a bit last season and towards the end of the previous season. He looked like he was lacking confidence to be honest.

Hopefully he will regain his form and his confidence. Hopefully we will get over 100 points and this season will be relaxing and enjoyable. That never happens though with CCFC.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:12 am

Pretty sure with OGS' rotation we'll see a better Whitts throughout the whole season.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:30 am

was so dissapointing last season...

was sick of hearing folks all round me in the canton when we were cruising to championship title saying he will be our stand out player next season

yeah stood out alright :laughing6:

while we are in this division i agree with the deal... but yes he has to regain some form, bellend is out of the way so maybe he will resume free kick duty and score some, and as said at corners... you have to beat the 1st man, and i tend to blame the players aswel in that they could put a city man on the near post to flick it and help it on its way :laughing6: but if you cant beat the 1st man either give it up or play a short corner :laughing6:
but back in the days players used to attack a ball, you dont see that these days, its all handbags and wrestling in the box waiting for the ball to come to you, players like duncan fergusson and frank stapleton would have never had any of that bollox... attack the bloody ball :laughing6:

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:31 am

carlccfc wrote:So Whitts has been offered and he has signed a contract extension which keeps him at the club until 2017.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=144117 :thumbup:

Whitts had an excellent season in 2009/10 in terms of goals, when he scored 20 Championship goals in 41 appearances, if we include cup appearances and the play offs his stats were 25 goals from 51 appearances :bluescarf:

But the goals have not been flowing since or before that season, there is no doubt there are moments of brilliance from Whitts and nobody will forget his goals against Barnsley home, Reading away and Leicester in the play offs but are his performances consistent enough ?

Malky Mackay had Whitts playing deep, so deep he was more a defender than a midfielder. Dave Jones played him wide, in the middle and even full back.

What is Whitts best position and where would you play him ?

What if City go back up this season, is Whitts good enough for the Premier League ? Judging by last season I would have to say we would need better at that level.

If we can see Whitts playing further forward and with a general playing alongside him then possibly we will see the best of his creativeness.



Whitts in my opinion is the most loyal and possibly most talented player we have ever had, has never caused trouble when he's out of the team, and has always worked hard to get his name on the team sheet.

The man who joined twitter twice, but got absolutely ruined (by our fans)after we lost one nil to palace in 2010, but has always relayed his commitment.

Legend.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:21 pm

I wouldn't give him 3 years, that's just me.

Re: Is it a good deal ?

Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:31 pm

Svenman87 wrote:Pretty sure with OGS' rotation we'll see a better Whitts throughout the whole season.


True! Rotation aint all about resting players, its also about keeping em on their toes. Whitts may well have 3 more good seasons, I really hope so. Brilliant at his best :bluescarf: