Tan: Fans should be grateful for investment.

This is a lousy argument, of course. When you buy a club surely you would know that it is ,in-fact,inevitable you will have to put money into the club as it is part and parcel of the venture. So, for Tan and his ass lickers to say that 'Tan is investing money be grateful' is complete bullshit likewise his rebrand. Or am i wrong in thinking this?

More than a valid point. He'd be branded naive if he genuinely thought he could buy a team that had been in contention with promotion for a number of years prior.

When the investment keeps the club in existence then I think we should be grateful.

People wonder why Borley is so on board with the rebrand, it's easy if you really think about it.

When the investment keeps the club in existence then I think we should be grateful.

People wonder why Borley is so on board with the rebrand, it's easy if you really think about it.

Agree MJW, we should be extremely grateful!

When the investment keeps the club in existence then I think we should be grateful.

People wonder why Borley is so on board with the rebrand, it's easy if you really think about it.

Agree MJW, we should be extremely grateful!

I am astonished at the way people fail to believe Borley can be onboard with it all. He is Cardiff through and through and has gone into his own pocket many times to keep the club going. As a Director, he knew the situation the club was in better than anyone. And He is behind Tan's investment....work it out folks, we needed his involvement badly!

Jesus christ...............of course we welcome his investment........its his stupid rebrand we dont like.....his total disregard for the history of a club and its fans.
the man could have been a hero........worshipped by the fans........had his name chanted..........but he choose to spoil all that for a lousy red shirt and badge.

For me, the issue is one of trust.

Tan invested heavily in the club and no doubt helped us gain automatic promotion, but at the same time blackmailed us with his rebrand.

I am uncomfortable with the debt, not because we owe it, but because we owe it to a man who has "strings attached".

No rebrand and is be singing his praises!!

As it goes, I'd rather be a thorn in his side.

It's not about colour, it's about betrayal of trust.

..............of course we welcome his investment........its his stupid rebrand we dont like.....his total disregard for the history of a club and its fans.
the man could have been a hero........worshipped by the fans........had his name chanted..........but he choose to spoil all that for a lousy red shirt and badge.

Investment = rebrand. That was the deal spelt out and accepted by a majority of fans in June 2012.

There is no investment just more debt but now it's owed to Tan. Some people to wake and take a look at what's really happening the sooner he leaves the better!

For me, the issue is one of trust.

Tan invested heavily in the club and no doubt helped us gain automatic promotion, but at the same time blackmailed us with his rebrand.

I am uncomfortable with the debt, not because we owe it, but because we owe it to a man who has "strings attached".

No rebrand and is be singing his praises!!

As it goes, I'd rather be a thorn in his side.

It's not about colour, it's about betrayal of trust.

Was it blackmail? or did he just spell out the facts?

He wanted red to make us more marketable in the eastern markets. It was a way of helping to match his investment. If there wasn't what he felt would be cash match from the commercial enterprise then he wasn't prepared to fund it solely out of his own pocket.

Whether it was/is succesful in the eastern markets is another thing entirely. The fact of the matter is those were the reasons he gave for it.

For me, the issue is one of trust.

Tan invested heavily in the club and no doubt helped us gain automatic promotion, but at the same time blackmailed us with his rebrand.

I am uncomfortable with the debt, not because we owe it, but because we owe it to a man who has "strings attached".

No rebrand and is be singing his praises!!

As it goes, I'd rather be a thorn in his side.

It's not about colour, it's about betrayal of trust.

Was it blackmail? or did he just spell out the facts?

He wanted red to make us more marketable in the eastern markets. It was a way of helping to match his investment. If there wasn't what he felt would be cash match from the commercial enterprise then he wasn't prepared to fund it solely out of his own pocket.

Whether it was/is succesful in the eastern markets is another thing entirely. The fact of the matter is those were the reasons he gave for it.

No he don't he made us Red because he wanted to it had nothin g to with selling merch in the east!

He isn't investing money he's loaning it to us with intrest what ever happend to debt to equity another lie to add to his list along with that letter saying there would be no change of badge or colour, the promises that fans woul consult to come up with a new badge etc. etc. The man is a great lier and a puppet master it's amazing how many fans he's got dancing by strings and kissing his arse. The sooner he goes the better for the club.

Last edited by phildavies on Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:06 am, edited 1 time in total.

You are all missing the point,I'm not denying that we don't need his investment but to use this as a threat to fans is wrong. He bought the club,he knows he will need to invest. End of.

For me, the issue is one of trust.

Tan invested heavily in the club and no doubt helped us gain automatic promotion, but at the same time blackmailed us with his rebrand.

I am uncomfortable with the debt, not because we owe it, but because we owe it to a man who has "strings attached".

No rebrand and is be singing his praises!!

As it goes, I'd rather be a thorn in his side.

It's not about colour, it's about betrayal of trust.

Was it blackmail? or did he just spell out the facts?

He wanted red to make us more marketable in the eastern markets. It was a way of helping to match his investment. If there wasn't what he felt would be cash match from the commercial enterprise then he wasn't prepared to fund it solely out of his own pocket.

Whether it was/is succesful in the eastern markets is another thing entirely. The fact of the matter is those were the reasons he gave for it.

He saw an opportunity for control and took it, knowing full well that the club was in no position to refuse realistically.

The rebrand has had no positive impact on the club, locally or worldwide.

If it isn't about control, having seen his experiment fail, why is he holding the carrot of compromise over us as long as we gain promotion? Why wait till then? Surely he knows by now how unpopular it has made him. To simply react, as any rational businessman would, by admitting something hasn't worked and abandoning the idea, he is still exerting pressure on us.

You are quite wrong to say that he simply gave us facts. What he gave was an ultimatum which morally has a very different motive.

The "facts" you are talking about were nothing more than the manifestation of his will, and remain so. They do not reflect the majority of the desires of the supporters of Cardiff City Football Club.

It is up to you whether you bow to his superiority or not. I certainly resent what he has done and the biggest joke of all is that the majority of football fans in my opinion, sympathise with my view. Even The Jaxx have shown a level of support for our plight.

When you stare at all the empty seats at CCS this year and see the white elephant upper Ninian stand with its incongruous seating and childish emoticon pattern, just remember that Tan has hinted at a compromise should we gain promotion. What compromise? Blue socks?? Half scarves??

If the Jacks are berating him shouldn't that tell you something??? Fear maybe?

Maybe he has had a change of heart on the whole matter. However, kit colours have to be registered by a certain date, so if that change came after the date then there is nothing he can do. It will have to wait until next season.

Tan brings the majority of the stick he gets on himself because of the stupid rebrand.

However if your Tan sat at home you must be thinking they hardly protested about the Red when it was suggested, very little protest when I bought all the players, very little protest when we got promoted. Now the protests started as soon as it looked like we were going down, then the Echo jumped on board.

Tan brings the majority of the stick he gets on himself because of the stupid rebrand.

However if your Tan sat at home you must be thinking they hardly protested about the Red when it was suggested, very little protest when I bought all the players, very little protest when we got promoted. Now the protests started as soon as it looked like we were going down, then the Echo jumped on board.

It really sticks in my craw to say it, but that is very sad and very true.

If the Jacks are berating him shouldn't that tell you something??? Fear maybe?

Maybe he has had a change of heart on the whole matter. However, kit colours have to be registered by a certain date, so if that change came after the date then there is nothing he can do. It will have to wait until next season.

Of course, The Jaxx are really scared of us, "The Sleeping Giant", etc., etc.

They didn't look too scared in February and now with coffers full, buying players while we shed our stars. Yes, really scared.

Do you actually believe yourself???

What a load of rubbish about giving notice of kit change. You are fooling yourself. He could just say, with no rider, that it is his promise and guarantee that he will do this next year, whatever happens. That would release a lot of pressure and regain some faith.

Are you saying he couldn't cancel the red seating as well?

You really are a moron if you think he has any intention of a u-turn. He has only mentioned revisiting with a view to compromise, if promotion is achieved. That is out of fans' control.

The FA will be only too pleased to accept a return to the original colours and badge so it would be a formality and he has had time to do that in any case this year. We knew by Christmas the writing was on the wall.

The Eggo should just do one, nowhere to be seen when needed the most.

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Jesus christ...............of course we welcome his investment........its his stupid rebrand we dont like.....his total disregard for the history of a club and its fans.
the man could have been a hero........worshipped by the fans........had his name chanted..........but he choose to spoil all that for a lousy red shirt and badge.

^^^this!!!

anyone who isn't greatful for Tan keeping us alive as a club is a moron and, to use an unpopular phrase; "Anti-Cardiff"

what we don't understand is why he had to rebrand us to do that?! its been done to death a number of times but i'm one of the fans who pretty much like everything hes done for the club (D2E is a grey area but if anyone thought he'd convert 100% to equity then you probably don't understand business very well....and why should you?). But i hate the fact we've been rebranded and i give a hell of a lot to see us play in blue at home again. I'm just really struggling to see the advantages from a marketing perspective

The Eggo should just do one, nowhere to be seen when needed the most.

same could be said for the vast majority of fans too

Tan brings the majority of the stick he gets on himself because of the stupid rebrand.

However if your Tan sat at home you must be thinking they hardly protested about the Red when it was suggested, very little protest when I bought all the players, very little protest when we got promoted. Now the protests started as soon as it looked like we were going down, then the Echo jumped on board.

This has been my point for a long time.

All going hunky dory when we went up. I didn't see anyone slagging off fans wearing red when they were on pitch celebrating.

I admire those who stopped going pre Huddersfield 2012...as for the rest, they jumped on the bandwagon.

Yes I thank Tan for loaning us money, ripping the soul out of the club and when he finally fucks off, he'll ask for his money back.

..............of course we welcome his investment........its his stupid rebrand we dont like.....his total disregard for the history of a club and its fans.
the man could have been a hero........worshipped by the fans........had his name chanted..........but he choose to spoil all that for a lousy red shirt and badge.

Investment = rebrand. That was the deal spelt out and accepted by a majority of fans in June 2012.

No it wasn't , it was refused I remember it on SSN saying that due to "Vociferous opinions from fans they would be looking for other investment "
then 2 days later he did it anyway

..............of course we welcome his investment........its his stupid rebrand we dont like.....his total disregard for the history of a club and its fans.
the man could have been a hero........worshipped by the fans........had his name chanted..........but he choose to spoil all that for a lousy red shirt and badge.

Investment = rebrand. That was the deal spelt out and accepted by a majority of fans in June 2012.

No it wasn't , it was refused I remember it on SSN saying that due to "Vociferous Opposition from fans they would be looking for other investment "
then 2 days later he did it anyway

meant to say

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... -red-plans

And then the fans begged him to invest and go ahead with the rebrand. It also says in that article that it wasn't a slight on our history and tradition but to make it more marketable in the far east etc. So why do fans choose to ignore that bit?

And then the fans begged him to invest and go ahead with the rebrand. It also says in that article that it wasn't a slight on our history and tradition but to make it more marketable in the far east etc. So why do fans choose to ignore that bit?

Which fans did, I didn't !
The only fans I seen beg for it was Gwyn on the news he didn't speak for me or the majorityt they should of done a season ticket ballot
You mean the country which chooses lately to play in blue as they see at as "lucky" instead ofthe black and gold , who's tourism logo is blue and even Tans Beyjaya company logo is blue , is that the far east you mean?

And then the fans begged him to invest and go ahead with the rebrand. It also says in that article that it wasn't a slight on our history and tradition but to make it more marketable in the far east etc. So why do fans choose to ignore that bit?

Which fans did, I didn't !
The only fans I seen beg for it was Gwyn on the news he didn't speak for me or the majorityt they should of done a season ticket ballot
You mean the country which chooses lately to play in blue as they see at as "lucky" instead ofthe black and gold , who's tourism logo is blue and even Tans Beyjaya company logo is blue , is that the far east you mean?

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/catego ... ot-yellow/

And then the fans begged him to invest and go ahead with the rebrand. It also says in that article that it wasn't a slight on our history and tradition but to make it more marketable in the far east etc. So why do fans choose to ignore that bit?

even it says that doesn't make it true , it does affect it

And then the fans begged him to invest and go ahead with the rebrand. It also says in that article that it wasn't a slight on our history and tradition but to make it more marketable in the far east etc. So why do fans choose to ignore that bit?

Which fans did, I didn't !
The only fans I seen beg for it was Gwyn on the news he didn't speak for me or the majorityt they should of done a season ticket ballot
You mean the country which chooses lately to play in blue as they see at as "lucky" instead ofthe black and gold , who's tourism logo is blue and even Tans Beyjaya company logo is blue , is that the far east you mean?

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/catego ... ot-yellow/

you know the far east isn't just one country right? its just a very small part of it.

and the tourism logo isnt designed to attract people from the area..as they're already there..its designed to attract people in europe and the americas, where red and blue hold entirely different cultural significances. so just as a "for dummies" example, west to east: use red. east to west: use blue.

i actually hold the same stance on the rebrand as you. but if pro-blues keep trotting out the same old inaccurate crap then it does nothing to help our cause