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Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:08 am

i think it was the newcastle game (one of many disasters) that Gunnersson was used in this role. Just wondering if its something we will see next season too. He isnt afraid of popping up in the box and i think he got about 7 or 8 goals when we were in the championship.

People seem to think of him in the "defensive" role, but although a combative workhorse, he doesnt (for me) have the stature and strength to play deeper, also hasnt got the range of passing of many other players in the side, and his ball retention is quite poor.

For this reason i actually think he might be more suited to playing further up the field, as i said before, he seems to like getting in the box and has got on the end of a few for us previously. I dont think he would become a first team regular, it seems clear to me there will be a lot of rotation, and i think he will be useful for us next season! :ayatollah:

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:14 am

Worst passer of the ball we got that guy.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:20 am

welshcitydragon wrote:Worst passer of the ball we got that guy.



there is a few. More alarming for me was his ball retention at prem level. Never noticed it in the championship but he could never keep hold of the bloody thing.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:20 am

I don't think we will. I think it was due to Medel's injury Ole was forced the play Mutch defensively because we had no one else to put there, other than Gunnar which he isn't good enough to do.

With Mutch there and Ole wanting to play three midfield players he was kind of forced to play Gunnar as a number ten. I think he'll be back up in that defensive midfield position with Dikcagoi. Which I felt in the final part of the 12/13 season he did quite well in.

That said if we lose Mutch he could be an option. But who knows how Ole wants to play next season, amount of strikers we have it could be 442.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:28 am

RFMH wrote:I don't think we will. I think it was due to Medel's injury Ole was forced the play Mutch defensively because we had no one else to put there, other than Gunnar which he isn't good enough to do.

With Mutch there and Ole wanting to play three midfield players he was kind of forced to play Gunnar as a number ten. I think he'll be back up in that defensive midfield position with Dikcagoi. Which I felt in the final part of the 12/13 season he did quite well in.

That said if we lose Mutch he could be an option. But who knows how Ole wants to play next season, amount of strikers we have it could be 442.



in a 4231 formation. I think Gunnersson would be fine in the role alongside Dikcagoi. I think we may have to play that way now actually, as we are more than likely going to have attacking full backs, meaning the defense will need some extra cover.

However, for that reason i wouldnt play him in that role by himself.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:31 am

Not so much in a number 10 role but I think he's best suited as a box to box midfielder. He's not afraid to put a tackle in but he also likes to get forward. I'm not sure why Ole played him in that position at Newcastle but it didn't look right for him.

Not sure what position he played against Chelsea but he had a very good game against them

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:34 am

paulh_85 wrote:in a 4231 formation. I think Gunnersson would be fine in the role alongside Dikcagoi. I think we may have to play that way now actually, as we are more than likely going to have attacking full backs, meaning the defense will need some extra cover.

However, for that reason i wouldnt play him in that role by himself.


Good point if we have attacking creative play in more areas next season. Which was typically low under Malky and Dave Jones (not that DJ wasn't attaching but it basically came from the two wingers and two strikers not full backs and midfield players). If Brayford and Fabio are attacking fullbacks with Dæhli, Noone, Mutch, and Guerra having Gunnar and Dikcagoi marshalling would be a good call.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:00 am

The shoulder injury seemed to bother him for most of last season. Not just the lack of long throws, but in his overall game. Quite understandable, as it was a nasty bump. Hopefully, the shoulder will be stronger by next season.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:44 am

paulh_85 wrote:i think it was the newcastle game (one of many disasters) that Gunnersson was used in this role. Just wondering if its something we will see next season too. He isnt afraid of popping up in the box and i think he got about 7 or 8 goals when we were in the championship.

People seem to think of him in the "defensive" role, but although a combative workhorse, he doesnt (for me) have the stature and strength to play deeper, also hasnt got the range of passing of many other players in the side, and his ball retention is quite poor.

For this reason i actually think he might be more suited to playing further up the field, as i said before, he seems to like getting in the box and has got on the end of a few for us previously. I dont think he would become a first team regular, it seems clear to me there will be a lot of rotation, and i think he will be useful for us next season! :ayatollah:

Is this a joke post?? :shock: ole was crazy to play him in that position if he does again I will seriously loose faith in him.
A no 10 is typically a highly skilled technical player, someone that can dribble, has vision, pick out players with accurate passes. No 10 is a playmaker that controls the attacking play. A silva, messi, mata type player. Players of above average technical ability and vision.
Does this scream Gunnar to you?

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:54 am

paulh_85 wrote:
welshcitydragon wrote:Worst passer of the ball we got that guy.



there is a few. More alarming for me was his ball retention at prem level. Never noticed it in the championship but he could never keep hold of the bloody thing.

Because he has bad ball control. I think at best he is backup for the new guy from palace.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:53 pm

He started his career as a right back. This could be the position that would see him play at his highest level. He has a good cross on him too.

Or maybe not. :lol:

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:13 pm

I would say daehli has more chance of playing the number 10 role

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:02 pm

paulh_85 wrote:i think it was the newcastle game (one of many disasters) that Gunnersson was used in this role. Just wondering if its something we will see next season too. He isnt afraid of popping up in the box and i think he got about 7 or 8 goals when we were in the championship.

People seem to think of him in the "defensive" role, but although a combative workhorse, he doesnt (for me) have the stature and strength to play deeper, also hasnt got the range of passing of many other players in the side, and his ball retention is quite poor.

For this reason i actually think he might be more suited to playing further up the field, as i said before, he seems to like getting in the box and has got on the end of a few for us previously. I dont think he would become a first team regular, it seems clear to me there will be a lot of rotation, and i think he will be useful for us next season! :ayatollah:



Fair point mate, most midfielders were used in a deep role under malky some worked some didn't. I think whitts is also better further up the field but for different reasons

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:14 pm

Daniel_PT_blues wrote:I would say daehli has more chance of playing the number 10 role

Mats is the most obvious choice for that position. He has all the skills required but we will see if ole has the balls up play him there already next season. He might prefer a bigger more physical player like Mutch. Mats though along with Kim ( if Kim could take it up a notch) are the natural no 10's in the squad.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:09 pm

Tommy2 wrote:
Daniel_PT_blues wrote:I would say daehli has more chance of playing the number 10 role

Mats is the most obvious choice for that position. He has all the skills required but we will see if ole has the balls up play him there already next season. He might prefer a bigger more physical player like Mutch. Mats though along with Kim ( if Kim could take it up a notch) are the natural no 10's in the squad.


Yeah matts would def be my first choice no.10, kim needs to find his feet because he always seems to wander and I don't think he's a natural winger but could do a job in the middle.

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:13 pm

Where to fit everyone in? we seem to have so many cm's. Kim, matts, gunner, whitts, ekrim, medel (for now), digocek, mutch

Could see another one of these going possibly along with medel....

Re: Gunnersson and the "number 10" role

Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:37 am

Tommy2 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:i think it was the newcastle game (one of many disasters) that Gunnersson was used in this role. Just wondering if its something we will see next season too. He isnt afraid of popping up in the box and i think he got about 7 or 8 goals when we were in the championship.

People seem to think of him in the "defensive" role, but although a combative workhorse, he doesnt (for me) have the stature and strength to play deeper, also hasnt got the range of passing of many other players in the side, and his ball retention is quite poor.

For this reason i actually think he might be more suited to playing further up the field, as i said before, he seems to like getting in the box and has got on the end of a few for us previously. I dont think he would become a first team regular, it seems clear to me there will be a lot of rotation, and i think he will be useful for us next season! :ayatollah:

Is this a joke post?? :shock: ole was crazy to play him in that position if he does again I will seriously loose faith in him.
A no 10 is typically a highly skilled technical player, someone that can dribble, has vision, pick out players with accurate passes. No 10 is a playmaker that controls the attacking play. A silva, messi, mata type player. Players of above average technical ability and vision.
Does this scream Gunnar to you?


Spot on Tommy.