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Midfield for next season?

Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:11 pm

How do you think it will line up? This new left winger seems decent, but we also have Nooney and Dhali there, and as for centre mid (assuming Medel goes but Mitch stays), who do you go with for a 4 man midfield? I expect ole to play 2 up top.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:41 pm

If you are going to Mutch and whiit then we need someone holding. My team:

Marshall
Brayford
Calca
Turner
Fabio
Cowie
Mutch
Whitts
Matts
Fondre
Guerra

Moore
John,kev
Hudson,connoly
Ekrim,gunner,
Bergerstall,Kim bo
Noone,
Macheda,maynard,jones,healy

Re: Midfield for next season?

Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:48 pm

Daheli
Eikrem
Berget
Gunnar
Burgstaller


:ayatollah:

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:48 am

isn't Berget a striker?

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:55 am

pauly_gee wrote:isn't Berget a striker?

Bit of a utility player but CAM is his favoured posistion I believe.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:00 am

Marshall
Fabio --- Turner --- Cala --- Brayford
Eikrem --- Mutch
Burgstaller --- Daehli --- Noone
Guerra

In a way, I kind of hope Mutch leaves so we can get some more steel in midfield.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:11 am

This for me.

Marshall
Brayford cala turner fabio

Noon mutch Daelhi burgstaller
Campbell
Guerra

Subs: Moore, le fondre, Macheda, John, eikrem, hudson

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:14 am

Peter Whittingham > Eikrem

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:17 am

The Welsh Dragon wrote:
pauly_gee wrote:isn't Berget a striker?

Bit of a utility player but CAM is his favoured posistion I believe.

Someone said he is a no 10 type player never going to get a look in at that position with the players we got now.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:30 am

Berget, Kim bo, cowie, need to be sold to get them off the wage bill, can't see them having a future with cardiff if promoted again.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:33 am

Our best midfielders in no particular order, noone, whitts, mutch and daehli, however if you play all of them together we look defensively weak so I think ogs will sign a new defensive midfielder.
If we play 4-2-3-1, daehli as no 10, guido and noone out wide, whitts, new defensive midfielder sitting behind them.
Guerra lone striker.
If we play 4-4-2, noone and daehli on the wings, Mutch/whitts as cam, new holding midfielder. Guerra and Campbell ( if he stays)

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:35 am

Guerra Macheda
Burgstaller Mutch Whitts Daehli
Fabio Cala Turner McNaughton
Marshall

I think that's pretty much how we'll line up at the start of the season, I think Kev will switch with Brayford eventually, and lose his place altogether, and the midfield will switch around a lot over the course of the season depending on form/injuries/suspension, but I think that line up is good enough to compete for automatic, especially with the strength in depth on the bench.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:43 am

JamesC wrote:Guerra Macheda
Burgstaller Mutch Whitts Daehli
Fabio Cala Turner McNaughton
Marshall

I think that's pretty much how we'll line up at the start of the season, I think Kev will switch with Brayford eventually, and lose his place altogether, and the midfield will switch around a lot over the course of the season depending on form/injuries/suspension, but I think that line up is good enough to compete for automatic, especially with the strength in depth on the bench.

I don't know how good burgsstaller is defensively, but the rest of them are not that strong. I don't think you can play them all together you need a good holding midfielder in the mix.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:02 am

pauly_gee wrote:How do you think it will line up? This new left winger seems decent, but we also have Nooney and Dhali there, and as for centre mid (assuming Medel goes but Mitch stays), who do you go with for a 4 man midfield? I expect ole to play 2 up top.


My team for the 1st game, assuming all stay apart from Caulker and Medel and we don't sign a quicker CB. If we sign a quicker CB then Hudson comes out. Need a better player than Gunner in holding role too IMO.

Marshall

Brayford Cala Hudson Fabio

Gunner

Noone Dhal Bergstaller

Le Fondre Guerra

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:34 pm

Similar to the Norwegian national team, I think Ole will play 4-4-1-1/4-4-2 at home next season with inward wingers and with full backs making long offensive runs. As the full backs run forward, 2 midfielders will be holding to support the defence. I think we are covered pretty well on the winger side already, with Noone, Burgstaller, Dæhli, Berget as natural choices, but Whitts, Gunnarson, Kimbo, Mutch and Fabio could also be used, although I see Gunnarson, Kimbo and Mutch better suited in a 4-5-1 formation (used away). I think where we will see enforcements this summer, is in the defensive midfield area. Playing at home, 4-4-2/4-4-1-1- (or 4-2-2-2/4-2-2-1-1, if you want), Gunnarson, Eikrem, Whitts and Mutch are our best options, besides of Medel if he stays.

I will not be surprised if we see a couple of our current midfielders being shipped out during the summer. Kimbo and Gunnarson? (Along with Mutch and Medel if we get the right offer). Whitts could be useful whatever formation.

In sum, Ole might want to bring in 2 central/defensive midfielders, a centre back and maybe a full back.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:35 pm

Dve wrote:Similar to the Norwegian national team, I think Ole will play 4-4-1-1/4-4-2 at home next season with inward wingers and with full backs making long offensive runs. As the full backs run forward, 2 midfielders will be holding to support the defence. I think we are covered pretty well on the winger side already, with Noone, Burgstaller, Dæhli, Berget as natural choices, but Whitts, Gunnarson, Kimbo, Mutch and Fabio could also be used, although I see Gunnarson, Kimbo and Mutch better suited in a 4-5-1 formation (used away). I think where we will see enforcements this summer, is in the defensive midfield area. Playing at home, 4-4-2/4-4-1-1- (or 4-2-2-2/4-2-2-1-1, if you want), Gunnarson, Eikrem, Whitts and Mutch are our best options, besides of Medel if he stays.

I will not be surprised if we see a couple of our current midfielders being shipped out during the summer. Kimbo and Gunnarson? (Along with Mutch and Medel if we get the right offer). Whitts could be useful whatever formation.

In sum, Ole might want to bring in 2 central/defensive midfielders, a centre back and maybe a full back.

I am so surprised so many of you see daehli purely as a winger. He is clearly not one he is just versatile in that he can play lm, rm and cam. Guido looks good and offers more protection for the fullback so I think we will see him on the left. :thumbup:

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:47 pm

LonCar wrote:
JamesC wrote:Guerra Macheda
Burgstaller Mutch Whitts Daehli
Fabio Cala Turner McNaughton
Marshall

I think that's pretty much how we'll line up at the start of the season, I think Kev will switch with Brayford eventually, and lose his place altogether, and the midfield will switch around a lot over the course of the season depending on form/injuries/suspension, but I think that line up is good enough to compete for automatic, especially with the strength in depth on the bench.

I don't know how good burgsstaller is defensively, but the rest of them are not that strong. I don't think you can play them all together you need a good holding midfielder in the mix.


Ole will want to use his own signings as much as possible I would guess, but I get what you're saying. I still think the above is a realistic starting line up, with Gunner on the bench to help out defensively if need be.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:16 pm

JamesC wrote:
LonCar wrote:
JamesC wrote:Guerra Macheda
Burgstaller Mutch Whitts Daehli
Fabio Cala Turner McNaughton
Marshall

I think that's pretty much how we'll line up at the start of the season, I think Kev will switch with Brayford eventually, and lose his place altogether, and the midfield will switch around a lot over the course of the season depending on form/injuries/suspension, but I think that line up is good enough to compete for automatic, especially with the strength in depth on the bench.

I don't know how good burgsstaller is defensively, but the rest of them are not that strong. I don't think you can play them all together you need a good holding midfielder in the mix.


Ole will want to use his own signings as much as possible I would guess, but I get what you're saying. I still think the above is a realistic starting line up, with Gunner on the bench to help out defensively if need be.

Curios as to why you left out noone?

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:21 pm

He's a top player, and may rotate with Burg. But I think Ole will want to start with the players he brought in

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:43 pm

New GK
Brayford Hudson Cala Fabio
Dæhli New DM Whitts Burgstaller
Macheda Guerra

Moore, McNaughton, Turner, Noone, Gunnar, Eikrem, Le Fondre

Two new players after losing Marahall, Caulker, Medel, Mutch and Campbell not a bad team.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:13 pm

LonCar wrote:
Dve wrote:Similar to the Norwegian national team, I think Ole will play 4-4-1-1/4-4-2 at home next season with inward wingers and with full backs making long offensive runs. As the full backs run forward, 2 midfielders will be holding to support the defence. I think we are covered pretty well on the winger side already, with Noone, Burgstaller, Dæhli, Berget as natural choices, but Whitts, Gunnarson, Kimbo, Mutch and Fabio could also be used, although I see Gunnarson, Kimbo and Mutch better suited in a 4-5-1 formation (used away). I think where we will see enforcements this summer, is in the defensive midfield area. Playing at home, 4-4-2/4-4-1-1- (or 4-2-2-2/4-2-2-1-1, if you want), Gunnarson, Eikrem, Whitts and Mutch are our best options, besides of Medel if he stays.

I will not be surprised if we see a couple of our current midfielders being shipped out during the summer. Kimbo and Gunnarson? (Along with Mutch and Medel if we get the right offer). Whitts could be useful whatever formation.

In sum, Ole might want to bring in 2 central/defensive midfielders, a centre back and maybe a full back.

I am so surprised so many of you see daehli purely as a winger. He is clearly not one he is just versatile in that he can play lm, rm and cam. Guido looks good and offers more protection for the fullback so I think we will see him on the left. :thumbup:


According to Høgmo (the Norwegian national coach) Ole and he are frequently discussing where Dæhli should be used at the moment. In time, he could be a number 10, but at least Høgmo seems to be of the opinion that right now he is more useful when he can run with the ball with room in front of him. He will not be tried used as a traditional winger though, running wide, delivering balls into the box. Instead he goes inwards with a full-back outside of him, often ending up in a number 10`s position behind the strikers. Noone, Burgstaller and Berget are all perfectly designed for this kind of play.

In general, I believe Solskjær and Høgmo think very similar about how fotball should be played, where they aim at making triangle formation all over the pitch to create passing alternatives. To make this happen, the full-backs will be as much wingers as defenders, and hence you need two holding midfielders to cover up. This would be the kind of players he is looking for at the moment.

Re: Midfield for next season?

Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:39 pm

Dve wrote:
LonCar wrote:
Dve wrote:Similar to the Norwegian national team, I think Ole will play 4-4-1-1/4-4-2 at home next season with inward wingers and with full backs making long offensive runs. As the full backs run forward, 2 midfielders will be holding to support the defence. I think we are covered pretty well on the winger side already, with Noone, Burgstaller, Dæhli, Berget as natural choices, but Whitts, Gunnarson, Kimbo, Mutch and Fabio could also be used, although I see Gunnarson, Kimbo and Mutch better suited in a 4-5-1 formation (used away). I think where we will see enforcements this summer, is in the defensive midfield area. Playing at home, 4-4-2/4-4-1-1- (or 4-2-2-2/4-2-2-1-1, if you want), Gunnarson, Eikrem, Whitts and Mutch are our best options, besides of Medel if he stays.

I will not be surprised if we see a couple of our current midfielders being shipped out during the summer. Kimbo and Gunnarson? (Along with Mutch and Medel if we get the right offer). Whitts could be useful whatever formation.

In sum, Ole might want to bring in 2 central/defensive midfielders, a centre back and maybe a full back.

I am so surprised so many of you see daehli purely as a winger. He is clearly not one he is just versatile in that he can play lm, rm and cam. Guido looks good and offers more protection for the fullback so I think we will see him on the left. :thumbup:


According to Høgmo (the Norwegian national coach) Ole and he are frequently discussing where Dæhli should be used at the moment. In time, he could be a number 10, but at least Høgmo seems to be of the opinion that right now he is more useful when he can run with the ball with room in front of him. He will not be tried used as a traditional winger though, running wide, delivering balls into the box. Instead he goes inwards with a full-back outside of him, often ending up in a number 10`s position behind the strikers. Noone, Burgstaller and Berget are all perfectly designed for this kind of play.

In general, I believe Solskjær and Høgmo think very similar about how fotball should be played, where they aim at making triangle formation all over the pitch to create passing alternatives. To make this happen, the full-backs will be as much wingers as defenders, and hence you need two holding midfielders to cover up. This would be the kind of players he is looking for at the moment.

Pretty sure matts played in a more central position when he was at Manu the season he won young player of the year. According to my mate they moved him out wide because of his size.
The thing is he is not an explosive winger that can outrun a defender say like zaha or bale so I wouldn't necessarily agree he needs room to run with the ball. With his superior ball control and vision I would imagine he is exactly the kind of player who could create space in a crowded midfield. And possibly be a more effective player in that position. The question mark is probably wether he can handle the physical side of central midfield. But as a type of player he is the closest thing to a silva mata type( obviously not anywhere near as good yet ) we have. Also think he would probably benefit from not having to track back all the time.
I did watch the Norway vs France match and was quite surprised they played him out wide considering the quality of the rest of the team. The central midfielder was woeful kept loosing the ball and was out muscled and outwitted by his French counterparts. Thought that was a strange choice but I am not familiar with that managers philosophy.