at the end of the day do we really need or want success?

look what comes with it, the money, the foreigners the disloyalty and excessive spending.. silly amounts of money.

We talk about our identity, I dont see how signing a team of non english speaking superstars and playing in blue would give us our identity.
Either way your selling out to success red, blue, pink, burgande whats the difference your a sell out to a team of foreign superstars who cant even spell the name of your team in english - is that good for a club?

at least back in the early championship days we had a club with real players (we still have that now) but to become successful at the top end it has to change.,

personally I like real people, players on real wages with a passion for the game and a desire for their country - which happened to be britain.
not plastic sell outs who use you for the money or the stepping stone and then fu** off as soon as your relagated without even a flinch or a spec of sentiment for who we are.

Implying that cardiff are the only team in the leagues with foreign players and don't forget it's their career who doesn't want to do well in their career and earn more mpney, get a grip

look what comes with it, the money, the foreigners the disloyalty and excessive spending.. silly amounts of money.

We talk about our identity, I dont see how signing a team of non english speaking superstars and playing in blue would give us our identity.
Either way your selling out to success red, blue, pink, burgande whats the difference your a sell out to a team of foreign superstars who cant even spell the name of your team in english - is that good for a club?

at least back in the early championship days we had a club with real players (we still have that now) but to become successful at the top end it has to change.,

personally I like real people, players on real wages with a passion for the game and a desire for their country - which happened to be britain.
not plastic sell outs who use you for the money or the stepping stone and then fu** off as soon as your relagated without even a flinch or a spec of sentiment for who we are.

some of our players were on silly money in league 1..thats why the likes of Kav were here........

Implying that cardiff are the only team in the leagues with foreign players and don't forget it's their career who doesn't want to do well in their career and earn more mpney, get a grip

im refering to the likes of manchester city and what it takes to become successful in this day and age.

im not saying as we are now... we are not even successful we've just been relagated and played one of the worst brands in the top flight

I really dont think being a top class club is the answer I enjoy the lower leagues real fans, real players, real people

Implying that cardiff are the only team in the leagues with foreign players and don't forget it's their career who doesn't want to do well in their career and earn more mpney, get a grip

im refering to the likes of manchester city and what it takes to become successful in this day and age.

im not saying as we are now... we are not even successful we've just been relagated and played one of the worst brands in the top flight

I really dont think being a top class club is the answer I enjoy the lower leagues real fans, real players, real people

To be fair I didn't enjoy the prem as much as I hoped to, we did go into the league with the most English players and if we had a decent manager that knew how to buy and use his players who know where we would have been now, but I say roll on the championship more games and a more competitive league

Biggest load of bollux ive ever read

And who exactly is going to finance this utopian football club who will only be happy playing in blue no matter how far they sink down the leagues ?

Implying that cardiff are the only team in the leagues with foreign players and don't forget it's their career who doesn't want to do well in their career and earn more mpney, get a grip

im refering to the likes of manchester city and what it takes to become successful in this day and age.

im not saying as we are now... we are not even successful we've just been relagated and played one of the worst brands in the top flight

I really dont think being a top class club is the answer I enjoy the lower leagues real fans, real players, real people

To be fair I didn't enjoy the prem as much as I hoped to, we did go into the league with the most English players and if we had a decent manager that knew how to buy and use his players who know where we would have been now, but I say roll on the championship more games and a more competitive league

Bluestar your wrong.

How many season tickets have we sold this year?
Plastics for you - firstly they're gone.

Secondly
Players like macnaughton and whittingham real loyalty real passion for the club. then you have gary medal, caulker, campbell cant wait to pick up their next packet, for caulker he has hope of playing for england and young understandable.

Thirdly
Fans like Annis, Carl and the regs off this forum they'll be there regardless what happens, true supporters

Thats the difference beetween loyalty and disloyalty
everything associated with success and the premier league is fairweather fakeness. Everyone wants a piece of the success until its gone

Its happened down the years at cardiff and other clubs soon as you get relagated all your best playets are gone its all about the money

It's the modern world.
But it's just the same as it's always been.
Mate's grandfather used to play for boot money i.e. a sovereign in his shoe when he came off the pitch.
Are you asking the club to settle for mediocrity?
What's the point of leagues?
Why bother with promotion? Get upset about relegation?

On to your question. We need success to be consistent with a top City club, have the finance to progress etc. Do we want it? I do. I've followed my club for many years in search of success.Many obviously don't want it or if they do express themselves very strangely.
Small minds. Stupid. I thought that after observing the Cardiff Blues disaster we were better than that but obviously not.

It's the modern world.
But it's just the same as it's always been.
Mate's grandfather used to play for boot money i.e. a sovereign in his shoe when he came off the pitch.
Are you asking the club to settle for mediocrity?
What's the point of leagues?
Why bother with promotion? Get upset about relegation?

On to your question. We need success to be consistent with a top City club, have the finance to progress etc. Do we want it? I do. I've followed my club for many years in search of success.Many obviously don't want it or if they do express themselves very strangely.
Small minds. Stupid. I thought that after observing the Cardiff Blues disaster we were better than that but obviously not.

I agree with you mate and it is a great pity that it is all about money these days BUT that's the way of things today I'm afraid.

And, yes we all want a strong and successful club BUT does our present owner have the interests of CARDIFF CITY or VINCENT TAN on his agenda - sadly, I feel the later and that will NOT bring long term success, Just strife.

Bloooobirds Forever !!!

look what comes with it, the money, the foreigners the disloyalty and excessive spending.. silly amounts of money.

We talk about our identity, I dont see how signing a team of non english speaking superstars and playing in blue would give us our identity.
Either way your selling out to success red, blue, pink, burgande whats the difference your a sell out to a team of foreign superstars who cant even spell the name of your team in english - is that good for a club?

at least back in the early championship days we had a club with real players (we still have that now) but to become successful at the top end it has to change.,

personally I like real people, players on real wages with a passion for the game and a desire for their country - which happened to be britain.
not plastic sell outs who use you for the money or the stepping stone and then fu** off as soon as your relagated without even a flinch or a spec of sentiment for who we are.

You don't remember the championship days? Players like Whittingham getting abuse on a weekly basis....... some of the fans are problem.

If you are not looking to improve, what point is there ?

If you are not looking to improve, what point is there ?

It's the cost of that success which upsets some.

We all want success & improvement... Personally I don't want it at the cost of the clubs traditions & identity.

If you are not looking to improve, what point is there ?

It's the cost of that success which upsets some.

We all want success & improvement... Personally I don't want it at the cost of the clubs traditions & identity.

You have got it whether they are successful or not.

If you are not looking to improve, what point is there ?

It's the cost of that success which upsets some.

We all want success & improvement... Personally I don't want it at the cost of the clubs traditions & identity.

You have got it whether they are successful or not.

Got what?

If you are not looking to improve, what point is there ?

It's the cost of that success which upsets some.

We all want success & improvement... Personally I don't want it at the cost of the clubs traditions & identity.

You have got it whether they are successful or not.

Got what?

Rebrand.

Yes. Every team and fan should want success. But not success at any cost, which is what I think the OP is getting at.

I see where you're coming from. I weren't about when we were in the lower divisions so I can only speak for the Championship years. But they were much more enjoyable than our year in the Prem which was full of overpaid, overrated players and biased officiating. Give me the Championhip over Premiership any day

If we don't what's the point in taking part or cheering on your team week in week out.

If we don't what's the point in taking part or cheering on your team week in week out.

Exactly. What is the point even going