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Sat May 24, 2014 7:05 pm
Saturday 23rd May 2014.
Vincent Tan sacked Malky Mackay and saw his team go down, will he ever admit that he made a mistake?
As Cardiff City face up to life in the Championship next season their fans must be wondering how things could possibly have gone so wrong during their solitary season in the Premier League. The Bluebirds may have ended the season bottom of the pile, six points from safety and relegated before the last day of the campaign, but 2013/14 started much more promisingly. If Vincent Tan had stuck with Malky Mackay then who knows where that early season promise could have led them.
Cardiff were promoted to the Premier League as Championship winners at the end of the 2012-13 season, with their manager Malky Mackay picking up the LMA Championship manager of the year award for his efforts. With a solid fan-base and a fantastic new stadium, the Bluebirds looked set to make a real mark on the Premier League and their season started with some outstanding results and performances. The pick of City's wins came at home to Manchester City in August when they beat the eventual champions 3-2 but as the winter nights drew in it became apparent that all was not well at the Cardiff City Stadium.
As the task facing Cardiff City became clearer Mackay was keen to strengthen his squad in January and he promised the fans that there would be new signings. Having already sacked Iain Moody, Cardiff's Head of Recruitment, for apparently overspending in the summer, the club's owner Vincent Tan reacted angrily to Mackay's promises and the Scotsman was told to resign or face the sack. Meanwhile the Bluebirds' form on the field was suffering and a 3-0 Boxing Day defeat to Southampton proved to be the final straw for Mackay. Cardiff were 16th in the table.
To his credit, Tan acted quickly to replace Mackay and brought in Manchester United legend Ole Gunnar Solskjær from Molde, where he had won two league titles. From this point onwards, however, Cardiff's season never recovered; they had won four of their first 18 league games and would only go on to win another three all season. Whilst Solskjær had pedigree as a player and had delivered success in Norway, managing in the Premier League was clearly far too big an ask for him. Having seen the treatment that Mackay had received at the hands of Tan, Solskjær was keen not to rock the boat and he seemed to become more and more anonymous as City slid down the table.
Having just been promoted to the Premier League, Cardiff should have been satisfied with survival. Finishing one place above the relegation zone would have been an achievement but Vincent Tan expected too much and pushed too hard for immediate success. Had Mackay remained at the club, the stability and experience that he offered could have been enough to stave off relegation and give Cardiff the chance to push on next season, but as it is Solskjær must start all over again. A relegation battle is the last place to throw an untried manager into, particularly with a side as inexperienced as Cardiff's. It may be harsh on the Cardiff City fans but Vincent Tan has received everything that he deserves.
Cardiff City were promoted to the Premier League alongside Hull City and Crystal Palace; both of these sides remain in the top flight next season and their approaches to planning and management should provide a salutary lesson to Vincent Tan. Hull City stuck with Steve Bruce throughout the campaign and reaped the rewards with a 16th place finish and a Wembley cup final. Crystal Palace, meanwhile, appointed Tony Pulis midway through the season and he used all of his managerial experience and guile to lead them to 11th place against all the odds. Had Tan followed either of these blueprints and either stuck with Mackay or replaced him with an old hand then things could have been very different for the Bluebirds.
Sat May 24, 2014 7:07 pm
Having just been promoted to the Premier League, Cardiff should have been satisfied with survival. Finishing one place above the relegation zone would have been an achievement but Vincent Tan expected too much and pushed too hard for immediate success
Not with the money we spent and the fact we won the Championship
Sat May 24, 2014 7:21 pm
He was sacked mainly for off field issues, therefore its irrelevant where we finished.
Sat May 24, 2014 7:23 pm
Not even Tony Pullis could have kept us up
We were doomed already due to all the off the field problems
Tony Pullis was able to motivate a very poor Crystal Palace team into a David and Goliath scenario
And it worked
He might not be able to do the same again unless he signs some premier ship players
Unfortunately when Ollie arrived a lot of the players played as if they had already given up,hence the reason why headr so many team changes
I have every confidence that Ollie can get us printed because he will make sure that we have players that are passionate for the fight
We as supporters must give him full support and I believe he will deliver
I just hope that there are no problems off the field next season and that if we get promotion Tan will keep his promise and discuss the return to blue
Long live the bloooobirds
We will always think blue
Sat May 24, 2014 7:24 pm
Based on the "points per game ratio" everyone kept harping on about we would have gotten relegated anyway under Malky. As Craig said it was off field issues that got him sacked
Sat May 24, 2014 7:25 pm
His sacking was justified. Why can't people let it go?
Sat May 24, 2014 7:26 pm
He didn't make a mistake so why should be admit he's wrong? Tan got it right one again!
Sat May 24, 2014 7:33 pm
The only things that Tan has done wrong was to change our colour to red and not sack Malkey the same time as he sacked Moody
He has nothing to apologise for
Don't forget Malkey and Moody had to say sorry
Sat May 24, 2014 7:38 pm
djronnieb wrote:The only things that Tan has done wrong was to change our colour to red and not sack Malkey the same time as he sacked Moody
He has nothing to apologise for
Don't forget Malkey and Moody had to say sorry
Agree ,don't.know why people keep harping on abou. It
Sat May 24, 2014 7:39 pm
Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????
Sat May 24, 2014 7:41 pm
blue lagoon wrote:Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????
Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.
Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.
Neither were 'on the take'.
Sat May 24, 2014 7:41 pm
Two brilliant signings this week and looking forward to next season with eager. Lets hope we build for Premiership and dont try with a championship squad and overspend again, and lesson well learned
Sat May 24, 2014 7:44 pm
Natman Blue wrote:He didn't make a mistake so why should be admit he's wrong? Tan got it right one again!
The fact we are playing championship football again tells me different. The fact we were destined to play championship football before the last game o fthe season tells me different. The fact we started talking about championship football after a few games of Oles appointment tells me different.
It was Tans doing in sacking Mackay and the buck stops with him.
Sat May 24, 2014 7:45 pm
Yes i remember your ambition
Sat May 24, 2014 7:45 pm
Some peoples agendas are as transparent as a pane of glass - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Move on.....
Happy to abuse a bloke that's spent f all and acquired 4 less points in same number of games as a bloke who rinsed our club silly - pathetic!
Support our manager and team and move on from your petty attacks on the bloke who's funding this club, of course he's a bulb for changing our colour and badge but FFS just change the record for once #boring
Sat May 24, 2014 7:45 pm
Im amazed people still harp on about Malky, wonder why he still cant find a job....?
Sat May 24, 2014 7:45 pm
carlccfc wrote:blue lagoon wrote:Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????
Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.
Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.
Neither were 'on the take'.
Here starts this recess subject.
Sat May 24, 2014 7:48 pm
Malkys gone and wont be back,lets just get behind ole ffs
Sat May 24, 2014 7:48 pm
carlccfc wrote:blue lagoon wrote:Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????
Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.
Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.
Neither were 'on the take'.
So what was the reason then?
Sat May 24, 2014 7:50 pm
First of all, Vincent Tan won't admit he was wrong,,,& why would he, when Mallky Mackay, & then later Ian Moody both apologies,,, both unreservedly, to VT??
As to whether MM would have kept us up,,,well that is one of conjecture,,, & debate. Had MM remained as manager into January, & had another £10 million to spend on new players ( didn't he want that amount?) then the eventual outcome may well have been different.
Sat May 24, 2014 7:51 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Natman Blue wrote:He didn't make a mistake so why should be admit he's wrong? Tan got it right one again!
The fact we are playing championship football again tells me different. The fact we were destined to play championship football before the last game o fthe season tells me different. The fact we started talking about championship football after a few games of Oles appointment tells me different.
It was Tans doing in sacking Mackay and the buck stops with him.
The fact malky and moody had to apologise tells everyone different.
The fact malky and moody wasted £50mill tells everyone different.
Malky and moody sowed the seed's of relegation, the buck stops with those two.
Sat May 24, 2014 7:52 pm
carlccfc wrote:blue lagoon wrote:Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????
Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.
Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.
Neither were 'on the take'.
Carl if you gave a contract out to a company for 10 million 5 weeks after there was a tender for 2million in the offering your boss would sack you and certainly look into it to see if you were taking a bung.
Sat May 24, 2014 7:56 pm
carlccfc wrote:blue lagoon wrote:Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????
Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.
Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.
Neither were 'on the take'.
Let's be honest Carl your sources are not always right
Sat May 24, 2014 7:58 pm
Sorry Annis but you've got this one wrong, as I have said before I have been watching the City for sixty years, and his tactics, team selection and substitutions were boring me and others to death, I said in a post at the end of our championship season, if he uses the same tactics in the premiership he will be gone by Christmas. Now I don't know what went on behind the scenes and Don't profess to know, but at the end of the day whilst we finished champions, we didn't set the world on fire did we, if it wasn't for other teams drawing or losing we wouldn't have finished by the margin we did, who knows if he would have kept us up, it is hypothetical, one thing is for sure, if one of my managers had over spent their budget to the excess that he did on the products that he did, then I would have also have asked him to resign.
Sat May 24, 2014 8:10 pm
carlccfc wrote:blue lagoon wrote:Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????
Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.
Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.
Neither were 'on the take'.
Carl, with respect... Are you 100% saying that there was no financially misuse by MM or Moody in any capacity whatsoever
Sat May 24, 2014 8:16 pm
redordead wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Natman Blue wrote:He didn't make a mistake so why should be admit he's wrong? Tan got it right one again!
The fact we are playing championship football again tells me different. The fact we were destined to play championship football before the last game o fthe season tells me different. The fact we started talking about championship football after a few games of Oles appointment tells me different.
It was Tans doing in sacking Mackay and the buck stops with him.
The fact malky and moody had to apologise tells everyone different.
The fact malky and moody wasted £50mill tells everyone different.
Malky and moody sowed the seed's of relegation, the buck stops with those two.
Once again what did Malky apologise for?
£50 million....I would say we are going ot get close enough our money back for Medel and Caulker. All of a sudden the £50 million is not so high now. I'll give you Acorn being a waste of money...what was it £5m...so what about the remaining £45m?
M&M sowed the seed......why were we in a relegation place when they got sacked?
Sat May 24, 2014 8:18 pm
steve davies wrote:carlccfc wrote:blue lagoon wrote:Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????
Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.
Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.
Neither were 'on the take'.
Carl if you gave a contract out to a company for 10 million 5 weeks after there was a tender for 2million in the offering your boss would sack you and certainly look into it to see if you were taking a bung.
And if there was a bung the company would sue NOT accept an apology.
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