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Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Tue May 20, 2014 10:40 pm

Being part of the EU means we favour EU citizens over the rest of the world. Immigrants from India who of course can offer a lot to our country have to jump through a lot more hoops to get into the UK than a Romanian citizen solely because of where they were born.

The Lib Dems support this European favouritism as do Labour and the Conservatives are split in terms of backbenchers. UKIP are the most open party and least racist of them all.

UKIP want to have the same rules for every migrants from every country in the world. They want VISA's and work permits for all people coming into the country and the same rules would apply to Romanians as it would to those from France as to those from The USA and those from New Zealand or Pakistan. Surely, that is promoting equality and not racism as a lot of the media are claiming.

The clue of European favouritism is in the name of it, the European Union. This is a special group for only European countries to join where you get special privileges and rights. If you're not a European nation and not up to standard you do not qualify for this special group.

The European Union has two sets of rules when it comes to such things, one for EU citizens and one for non EU citizens:

1) EU citizens benefit from free movement between the EU countries
2) Non EU citizens have to go through the rigorous checks to enter the EU and into an EU country

Now, if an Indian doctor wants to come to the UK why should they purely based on their nationality, race and ethnicity have to go through more hoops to enter the UK than a Romanian? Why should an Indian be forced to go through more purely because he is not European? The European model puts the European race first and foremost. Its racist. It gives preferential treatment to Europeans and discriminates against those who are not Europeans.

UKIP are fighting for true equality so whilst everyone else can scream that UKIP are racist for comments about Romania just remember that those who support the EU and EU favouritism towards EU citizens are in fact discriminating non EU citizens purely because they're not Europeans. I think its clear to see who the real racists are.

VISA's and Permits for all migrants entering the UK and that is the way it should be. We should not be showing favouritism to EU citizens and we should instead be putting in place an equal system for all regardless of where in the world they come from.

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Tue May 20, 2014 10:42 pm

Biggest problem is the Tories massively reducing controllable immigration to try and keep the anti-immigration lobby happy because they can't control the EU's flow.

They've cost the economy loads in lost revenue from students and the like.

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 6:16 am

Green Arrow wrote:Being part of the EU means we favour EU citizens over the rest of the world. Immigrants from India who of course can offer a lot to our country have to jump through a lot more hoops to get into the UK than a Romanian citizen solely because of where they were born.

The Lib Dems support this European favouritism as do Labour and the Conservatives are split in terms of backbenchers. UKIP are the most open party and least racist of them all.

UKIP want to have the same rules for every migrants from every country in the world. They want VISA's and work permits for all people coming into the country and the same rules would apply to Romanians as it would to those from France as to those from The USA and those from New Zealand or Pakistan. Surely, that is promoting equality and not racism as a lot of the media are claiming.

The clue of European favouritism is in the name of it, the European Union. This is a special group for only European countries to join where you get special privileges and rights. If you're not a European nation and not up to standard you do not qualify for this special group.

The European Union has two sets of rules when it comes to such things, one for EU citizens and one for non EU citizens:

1) EU citizens benefit from free movement between the EU countries
2) Non EU citizens have to go through the rigorous checks to enter the EU and into an EU country

Now, if an Indian doctor wants to come to the UK why should they purely based on their nationality, race and ethnicity have to go through more hoops to enter the UK than a Romanian? Why should an Indian be forced to go through more purely because he is not European? The European model puts the European race first and foremost. Its racist. It gives preferential treatment to Europeans and discriminates against those who are not Europeans.

UKIP are fighting for true equality so whilst everyone else can scream that UKIP are racist for comments about Romania just remember that those who support the EU and EU favouritism towards EU citizens are in fact discriminating non EU citizens purely because they're not Europeans. I think its clear to see who the real racists are.

VISA's and Permits for all migrants entering the UK and that is the way it should be. We should not be showing favouritism to EU citizens and we should instead be putting in place an equal system for all regardless of where in the world they come from.


fair play you dont half speak a load of bollocks

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 2:05 pm

JONNY012697 wrote:fair play you dont half speak a load of bollocks


Says the guy who used to be a steward, loves health and safety and is evidently pro EU. Don't blame me if you prefer Europeans to non Europeans and therefore want to give them privileges. I want equality for all.

The only people chatting bollocks are people like yourself, Miliband and Clegg which is why groups like UKIP are now getting a lot of support.

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 3:17 pm

JONNY012697 wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:Being part of the EU means we favour EU citizens over the rest of the world. Immigrants from India who of course can offer a lot to our country have to jump through a lot more hoops to get into the UK than a Romanian citizen solely because of where they were born.

The Lib Dems support this European favouritism as do Labour and the Conservatives are split in terms of backbenchers. UKIP are the most open party and least racist of them all.

UKIP want to have the same rules for every migrants from every country in the world. They want VISA's and work permits for all people coming into the country and the same rules would apply to Romanians as it would to those from France as to those from The USA and those from New Zealand or Pakistan. Surely, that is promoting equality and not racism as a lot of the media are claiming.

The clue of European favouritism is in the name of it, the European Union. This is a special group for only European countries to join where you get special privileges and rights. If you're not a European nation and not up to standard you do not qualify for this special group.

The European Union has two sets of rules when it comes to such things, one for EU citizens and one for non EU citizens:

1) EU citizens benefit from free movement between the EU countries
2) Non EU citizens have to go through the rigorous checks to enter the EU and into an EU country

Now, if an Indian doctor wants to come to the UK why should they purely based on their nationality, race and ethnicity have to go through more hoops to enter the UK than a Romanian? Why should an Indian be forced to go through more purely because he is not European? The European model puts the European race first and foremost. Its racist. It gives preferential treatment to Europeans and discriminates against those who are not Europeans.

UKIP are fighting for true equality so whilst everyone else can scream that UKIP are racist for comments about Romania just remember that those who support the EU and EU favouritism towards EU citizens are in fact discriminating non EU citizens purely because they're not Europeans. I think its clear to see who the real racists are.

VISA's and Permits for all migrants entering the UK and that is the way it should be. We should not be showing favouritism to EU citizens and we should instead be putting in place an equal system for all regardless of where in the world they come from.


fair play you dont half speak a load of bollocks


What an excellent counter-argument. Your supreme intelligence shown through in this post.

Bellend.

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 3:55 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
JONNY012697 wrote:fair play you dont half speak a load of bollocks


What an excellent counter-argument. Your supreme intelligence shown through in this post.

Bellend.


:laughing6: :notworthy:

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 5:00 pm

Green Arrow wrote:
JONNY012697 wrote:fair play you dont half speak a load of bollocks


Says the guy who used to be a steward, loves health and safety and is evidently pro EU. Don't blame me if you prefer Europeans to non Europeans and therefore want to give them privileges. I want equality for all.

The only people chatting bollocks are people like yourself, Miliband and Clegg which is why groups like UKIP are now getting a lot of support.


Ok fine, what me previously being a steward has go to do with this is beyond me that cheap shot shows how idiotic you are.

Anyway

If you want to claim discrimination against non-eu citizens to eu citizens

firstly you would have to prove that UK citizens dont get the same benefits provided to them, by the way they do, you can live or work in any eu country.

then you would have to prove that it is only the UK that has an immigration policy and no other country stops people from crossing their borders, therefore proving we are discriminating

either way you cant prove any of this and its untrue

UKIP's argument states that they want the pre-existing immigration policy to be relevant to EU citizens. One way of doing that is by leaving the EU and also losing the rights credited to EU states. UKIP wants to leave the EU they feel we would be a stronger nation outside the EU. Its not a policy I agree with so I wont vote for them.

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 5:38 pm

Green Arrow wrote:Being part of the EU means we favour EU citizens over the rest of the world. Immigrants from India who of course can offer a lot to our country have to jump through a lot more hoops to get into the UK than a Romanian citizen solely because of where they were born.

The Lib Dems support this European favouritism as do Labour and the Conservatives are split in terms of backbenchers. UKIP are the most open party and least racist of them all.

UKIP want to have the same rules for every migrants from every country in the world. They want VISA's and work permits for all people coming into the country and the same rules would apply to Romanians as it would to those from France as to those from The USA and those from New Zealand or Pakistan. Surely, that is promoting equality and not racism as a lot of the media are claiming.

The clue of European favouritism is in the name of it, the European Union. This is a special group for only European countries to join where you get special privileges and rights. If you're not a European nation and not up to standard you do not qualify for this special group.

The European Union has two sets of rules when it comes to such things, one for EU citizens and one for non EU citizens:

1) EU citizens benefit from free movement between the EU countries
2) Non EU citizens have to go through the rigorous checks to enter the EU and into an EU country

Now, if an Indian doctor wants to come to the UK why should they purely based on their nationality, race and ethnicity have to go through more hoops to enter the UK than a Romanian? Why should an Indian be forced to go through more purely because he is not European? The European model puts the European race first and foremost. Its racist. It gives preferential treatment to Europeans and discriminates against those who are not Europeans.

UKIP are fighting for true equality so whilst everyone else can scream that UKIP are racist for comments about Romania just remember that those who support the EU and EU favouritism towards EU citizens are in fact discriminating non EU citizens purely because they're not Europeans. I think its clear to see who the real racists are.

VISA's and Permits for all migrants entering the UK and that is the way it should be. We should not be showing favouritism to EU citizens and we should instead be putting in place an equal system for all regardless of where in the world they come from.

Who cares?

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 5:42 pm

JONNY012697 wrote:Ok fine, what me previously being a steward has go to do with this is beyond me that cheap shot shows how idiotic you are.


Because you always come out with this liberal lefty nonsense with no substance. Again, here you go. Logic defies you once again.

Its discrimination because you're giving preferential treatment to one race, Europeans, over other races, such as Asians. Again, why should an Asian person born in India have to jump through more hoops to get here than a Romanian because of where he was born?

A Romanian instantly has an advantage as a European in terms of emigrating to the UK over an Indian purely based on where they were born. How is that right? All those who wish to come to the UK should be assessed purely on themselves as an individual equally and not as part of a two tier system because of an elusive group. If it was a World Union any country could join it'd be fair but it isn't, its given preferential treatment to Europeans and outsiders are not allowed in based on the same rules, thus are segregated.

It should be equal for all and thats what UKIP wants - VISA's and permits for all. The other parties want one rule for Europeans and another rule for the rest of the world. Whoever thinks that is acceptable is a disgrace.

UKIP are the least racist party there is.

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 5:44 pm

lethal's shooting boot wrote:Who cares?

If you don't care don't comment. Ciao. :wave:

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Wed May 21, 2014 6:57 pm

I am all for a referendum on the EU I cannot wait to vote out of this

Being part of the EU provides this country with very little benefit at all

Free movement of labour doesn't help us

Movement of citizens has increased crime increased public spending and put far more pressure on this small nations services than needed

We pay over £65b a year into the EU and for what?

We get nt even a fifth of that back in any shape or form so what exactly are we paying for I'm sure anyone with half a brain could tell you get out and use that £65b where it is badly needed

Invest back into our public services particularly the health service which gets a measely £14bn a year and is massively short of what it needs to provide adequate care to our citizens when the health service was established it was a proud moment for this country and now the talk of privatising it is a f*cking joke all because it can't be afforded well it could quite easily IF we closed the doors stopped the movement of every EU country entering Britain to take advantage if our services and reinvested OUR money back into our broken countries services

We could even afford to cut taxes

The problem with the EU now is it is no longer just the big countries like when it was established for years the poorer regions were not allowed in as they couldn't meet te criteria now the big powerhouses of Europe have to subsidise the poor countries like Poland and Romania and Greece whilst I might sound like a c**t here I say why should we pay for them when there are people in this country living in absolute dire conditions and some that work all week and cannot provide for their families

I think it's a disgrace

Don't even get me started on foreign aid and other moeny that we give to poorly developed countries charity begins at home and Westminster needs a party with balls who are not afraid to make some radical changes that this country desperately needs anyone who can't see this has their head buried in the sand

Re: Labour and Lib Dems more racist than UKIP

Thu May 22, 2014 5:45 am

Green Arrow wrote:
JONNY012697 wrote:Ok fine, what me previously being a steward has go to do with this is beyond me that cheap shot shows how idiotic you are.


Because you always come out with this liberal lefty nonsense with no substance. Again, here you go. Logic defies you once again.

Its discrimination because you're giving preferential treatment to one race, Europeans, over other races, such as Asians. Again, why should an Asian person born in India have to jump through more hoops to get here than a Romanian because of where he was born?

A Romanian instantly has an advantage as a European in terms of emigrating to the UK over an Indian purely based on where they were born. How is that right? All those who wish to come to the UK should be assessed purely on themselves as an individual equally and not as part of a two tier system because of an elusive group. If it was a World Union any country could join it'd be fair but it isn't, its given preferential treatment to Europeans and outsiders are not allowed in based on the same rules, thus are segregated.

It should be equal for all and thats what UKIP wants - VISA's and permits for all. The other parties want one rule for Europeans and another rule for the rest of the world. Whoever thinks that is acceptable is a disgrace.

UKIP are the least racist party there is.


a few problems here

1 youve just repeated yourself so you havent furthered your argument, you are fundamentally just repeating the same stuff hoping I may finally listen

2 ive never stated UKIP are racist, I dont think they are. I think a lot of racist people have joined their ranks but thats not unusual to have extremists to join popular groups in the hope their ideology also gets recognised.

3 what me being a steward and my political beliefs have anything to do with each other is just strange, again your being stupid

you may not agree with what I say thats fine but acting like a child because you dont get your own way doesnt benefit your argument in anyway whatsoever.


Ive listened to what UKIP have to say (unlike some people who dont like them) I have sympathy for what they stand for, however as a country I believe we are stronger in the EU rather than without it.

I dont agree with the attempted Americanisation of the EU it was ill thought out and really hasnt worked.

As for your discrimination argument since youve ignored what I said before (just calling me names instead very intelligent by the way) nothing stops other countries from applying to join the EU or creating treaties with the UK that may benefit them. Have you considered that maybe other countries dont want to be in treaties with us therefore not discriminatory.

If you want to defend UKIP go for it but youve picked possibly the worst argument with little fact and no logic to use.