Foreign ownership - cardiff city - you are all barking

Im amazed reading some of these threads this morning.

Hammam took over and spent money like water in the clubs name, it took years to settle that and were hampered by it hanging over your club for an age.

Tan comes in and everyone believes "debt to equity so he can spend what he wants" ignoring the obvious sense on the matter in the face he would never do it.

Now Tan has said you will still owe him £100m AFTER debt to equity... What is the solution i read from many?

WE NEED A BETTER BILLIONAIRE

You literally cant make it up. How about the sensible thing and knocking this nonsense on the head and actually trying to earn your way and not risk the clubs life at every turn and opportunity to do so.

Ive said all along your fans are the main problem and its true.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me - fool me three times and you deserve everything you get.

Bring on admin and fan ownership.

The club will never die unless the fans let it die. Leeds United and Portsmouth didn't die.

Bring on admin and fan ownership.

The club will never die unless the fans let it die. Leeds United and Portsmouth didn't die.

Soon there will be no administration option, its like your fans are on a life time mission to kill their own club. Why would you want to support and lobby for the destruction of your own club through crippling debt?! A richer billionaire ffs

I cant work out whether its just naivety on their behalf or a genuine misunderstanding of the situation regarding investment. The debt is like an organism that doubles and triples and quadruples is size as time goes on... Until it gets so big it kills it host.

You needed to act 3 years ago really, many did, but the overwhelming majority decided to stay and see what happens, enjoying the ride under the premise of "nothing we can do about it"..... And even now its probably still not too late as Tans debt can be almost covered by asset stripping. He needs to be driven out NOW.

If Tan is in charge in 2 years time then I think it is over for you lot. it is a case of him simply keeping you alive for a short while to milk what he can and then when he leaves... you get made into hamburgers and sold to the Welsh Premier League.

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begining to think you are tan as you know even more than he does.

Im amazed reading some of these threads this morning.

Hammam took over and spent money like water in the clubs name, it took years to settle that and were hampered by it hanging over your club for an age.

Tan comes in and everyone believes "debt to equity so he can spend what he wants" ignoring the obvious sense on the matter in the face he would never do it.

Now Tan has said you will still owe him £100m AFTER debt to equity... What is the solution i read from many?

WE NEED A BETTER BILLIONAIRE

You literally cant make it up. How about the sensible thing and knocking this nonsense on the head and actually trying to earn your way and not risk the clubs life at every turn and opportunity to do so.

Ive said all along your fans are the main problem and its true.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me - fool me three times and you deserve everything you get.

You are foreign owned as well roathy check the birth places of two of your owner s

We are owned 70% by welsh based people and consortiums.

It is illegal for the "foreign" shareholders to be able to spend money in the clubs name.

Next...

We are owned 70% by welsh based people and consortiums.

It is illegal for the "foreign" shareholders to be able to spend money in the clubs name.

Next...

so are partly owned by foreign benefactors yes or no ????????????????????????????????

We are owned 70% by welsh based people and consortiums.

It is illegal for the "foreign" shareholders to be able to spend money in the clubs name.

Next...

so are partly owned by foreign benefactors yes or no ????????????????????????????????

Can you read?

How much is VT going to own after he converts a third of the debt to equity, leaving around 100 mill debt still standing?

We are owned 70% by welsh based people and consortiums.

It is illegal for the "foreign" shareholders to be able to spend money in the clubs name.

Next...

so are partly owned by foreign benefactors yes or no ????????????????????????????????

why do people insist on Nitpicking on a single point in someones posts in order to try to discredit the whole thread? In my opinion it's because they know the OP is correct but can't bring themselves to admit it so try to discredit the whole point by picking up on 1 thing that has no relevance to the point being made.

Does the question above have any relevance to the point being made?

Yes Roathie, because the opinions of a few fans on a message board speak for the clubs whole fan base.

We are owned 70% by welsh based people and consortiums.

It is illegal for the "foreign" shareholders to be able to spend money in the clubs name.

Next...

so are partly owned by foreign benefactors yes or no ????????????????????????????????

why do people insist on Nitpicking on a single point in someones posts in order to try to discredit the whole thread? In my opinion it's because they know the OP is correct but can't bring themselves to admit it so try to discredit the whole point by picking up on 1 thing that has no relevance to the point being made.

Does the question above have any relevance to the point being made?

Spot on

Roathie is right. The time for appeasement is over and it's time for all City fans to unite and kick this fool out of our club - whatever the consequence.

He's right in saying it should've happened 3 years ago but it's never too late

Any truth in the rumour that Tim Sherwood wants Roathie sitting on Spurs bench for next season? (since he seems to know everything about everything)

Any truth in the rumour that Tim Sherwood wants Roathie sitting on Spurs bench for next season? (since he seems to know everything about everything)

Just out of interest Roathie whats your view on mehmet dalman?

Allan and Wez have a day off please, your persistent defending of Tan is soul destroying. Roathie is spot on and you are nitpicking and querying birth certificates of their owners.

I am beginning to think that you only accepted the rebrand so readily because you wanted to catch up with Swansea, blinded by your hate for the Jacks.

Allan and Wez have a day off please, your persistent defending of Tan is soul destroying. Roathie is spot on and you are nitpicking and querying birth certificates of their owners.

I am beginning to think that you only accepted the rebrand so readily because you wanted to catch up with Swansea, blinded by your hate for the Jacks.

How have I defended tan ????? I am pointing out that Swansea city have foreign money invested in them and roathy is full of shit and needs to look closer to home before slagging us off all the time ,if you have read my recent post over the last few months I havnt been defending tan at all but it looks like your defending roathy and bum chuming him

Allan and Wez have a day off please, your persistent defending of Tan is soul destroying. Roathie is spot on and you are nitpicking and querying birth certificates of their owners.

I am beginning to think that you only accepted the rebrand so readily because you wanted to catch up with Swansea, blinded by your hate for the Jacks.

How have I defended tan ????? I am pointing out that Swansea city have foreign money invested in them and roathy is full of shit and needs to look closer to home before slagging us off all the time ,if you have read my recent post over the last few months I havnt been defending tan at all but it looks like your defending roathy and bum chuming him

Defending Roathie from what??? You are constantly backing Tan and making excuses for him, I don't need to go through your posts to see that. You are as close to a Tan sympathiser as they come.

You know full well what Roathie meant by foreign ownership so you nitpick and find some form of comfort, if agreeing with someone is "bum chuming" someone then bring on the arse.

Allan and Wez have a day off please, your persistent defending of Tan is soul destroying. Roathie is spot on and you are nitpicking and querying birth certificates of their owners.

I am beginning to think that you only accepted the rebrand so readily because you wanted to catch up with Swansea, blinded by your hate for the Jacks.

mmm what did i say to defend tan in this thread? i mearly mocked roathy the always correct one! and that is my entitlement as this is a freedom of speech forum! why dont you mind your own buisness and leave my name out of something that has nothing to do with you! you have done this before so get a life and ++++++ off
as i dont refer to you as a malky arse licker!

Allan and Wez have a day off please, your persistent defending of Tan is soul destroying. Roathie is spot on and you are nitpicking and querying birth certificates of their owners.

I am beginning to think that you only accepted the rebrand so readily because you wanted to catch up with Swansea, blinded by your hate for the Jacks.

mmm what did i say to defend tan in this thread? i mearly mocked roathy the always correct one! and that is my entitlement as this is a freedom of speech forum! why dont you mind your own buisness and leave my name out of something that has nothing to do with you! you have done this before so get a life and ++++++ off

How touchy.

I merely mocked you Allan and that is my entitlement as this a freedom of speech forum! Why dont you mind your own business, Get a life stop acting like a little bitch and f**k off.

I will comment as I please and if you can't take it then that is your problem. You make me laugh preaching freedom of speech and the right to mock people but can't handle it when people mock you, no wonder the NHS is fucked.

Good night sir.

as i dont refer to you as a malky arse licker!

Oh and I was happy to see Malky sacked so not sure where you got that little gem from.

Or in your world if you hate Tan it must mean you love Malky? Right?

This thread is not about Swaaaaanzzeeeee!

It is about debt.

Tan is not a loan shark or a payday loan company. He is a creditable creditor. That means that he needs to have some return on his investments. The loans need to be repaid at some point, either in "cash" or as share conversions.

It is almost exactly like comparing us to a badly functioning household where nobody earns enough so you resort to quick fix loans.

OUR CLUB ISNT RUN LIKE THAT!

We are fairly well run in that the loaner is not demanding huge interest immediately, but he is like a bank manager who warns to guide our spending. The trouble is that we aren't making enough money so our banker is now adding constraints and suggesting rebrands. All of a sudden, the debt is now an issue.

Solution? Have it out with the loaner!! If he really cares, he will convert and return to BLUE. If not, we are screwed.

I actually agree with Roathie that it isn't too late yet, but time is marching on and the problem is growing. Time to take our heads out if the sand.

Allan and Wez have a day off please, your persistent defending of Tan is soul destroying. Roathie is spot on and you are nitpicking and querying birth certificates of their owners.

I am beginning to think that you only accepted the rebrand so readily because you wanted to catch up with Swansea, blinded by your hate for the Jacks.

How have I defended tan ????? I am pointing out that Swansea city have foreign money invested in them and roathy is full of shit and needs to look closer to home before slagging us off all the time ,if you have read my recent post over the last few months I havnt been defending tan at all but it looks like your defending roathy and bum chuming him

we dont have foreign money invested in us apart from the value of the small amount shares bought (22% i think) before many people on this board it seems were born (12 years ago).

Everything we spend is what the club earns not what our owners loan us over our income to spend.

Being foreign isn't the issue, it is the way nearly all foreign owners run their clubs - as Tan is showing.

So when you say "look closer to home" what exactly are you suggesting? That we should get rid of shareholders because some arent from Wales... And you think that was my point?? Oh dear

Allan and Wez have a day off please, your persistent defending of Tan is soul destroying. Roathie is spot on and you are nitpicking and querying birth certificates of their owners.

I am beginning to think that you only accepted the rebrand so readily because you wanted to catch up with Swansea, blinded by your hate for the Jacks.

How have I defended tan ????? I am pointing out that Swansea city have foreign money invested in them and roathy is full of shit and needs to look closer to home before slagging us off all the time ,if you have read my recent post over the last few months I havnt been defending tan at all but it looks like your defending roathy and bum chuming him

we dont have foreign money invested in us apart from the value of the small amount shares bought (22% i think) before many people on this board it seems were born (12 years ago).

Everything we spend is what the club earns not what our owners loan us over our income to spend.

Being foreign isn't the issue, it is the way nearly all foreign owners run their clubs - as Tan is showing.

So when you say "look closer to home" what exactly are you suggesting? That we should get rid of shareholders because some arent from Wales... And you think that was my point?? Oh dear

22% is not a small shareholding ,before critizing other clubs look more closely at your own

Of course it is a small shareholding, it is one fifth. How can someone push through ideas with a 20% shareholding?

And which part of it has nothing to do with it anyway is confusing you

We spend what the club earns not what they loan us. THAT is the criticism

Have another go,

Yes because we're really making all the choices arnt we, us fans

Every time I see roathie post I just see follow up comments that involve mind bendingly tedious levels of pedantry.

Roathie makes a point about irresponsible foreign owners. It's followed up with, "well you have foreign owners too".

Once again the point is completely missed.

Break the habit of trying to attract rich investors and CCFC might have a future. Invest in the supporters trust and get the fans involved.

Instead you've been holding out for the debt to equity on the whim of a compulsive liar and it's all turning to sh*t again.

We are owned 70% by welsh based people and consortiums.

It is illegal for the "foreign" shareholders to be able to spend money in the clubs name.

Next...

Ok but you are part owned by a foreign Hooligan aren't you? Surprised the media has never picked up on that.

There would have been hell to pay if it was Cardiff.

Im amazed reading some of these threads this morning.

Hammam took over and spent money like water in the clubs name, it took years to settle that and were hampered by it hanging over your club for an age.

Tan comes in and everyone believes "debt to equity so he can spend what he wants" ignoring the obvious sense on the matter in the face he would never do it.

Now Tan has said you will still owe him £100m AFTER debt to equity... What is the solution i read from many?

WE NEED A BETTER BILLIONAIRE

You literally cant make it up. How about the sensible thing and knocking this nonsense on the head and actually trying to earn your way and not risk the clubs life at every turn and opportunity to do so.

Ive said all along your fans are the main problem and its true.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me - fool me three times and you deserve everything you get.

Fair comment.

Every time I see roathie post I just see follow up comments that involve mind bendingly tedious levels of pedantry.

Roathie makes a point about irresponsible foreign owners. It's followed up with, "well you have foreign owners too".

Once again the point is completely missed.

Break the habit of trying to attract rich investors and CCFC might have a future. Invest in the supporters trust and get the fans involved.

Instead you've been holding out for the debt to equity on the whim of a compulsive liar and it's all turning to sh*t again.

Another jack on the site