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waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Sat May 10, 2014 11:59 am
Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sat May 10, 2014 12:16 pm
waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
Sat May 10, 2014 12:49 pm
waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
Sat May 10, 2014 12:54 pm
LonCar wrote:waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
Mate you got a lot of details wrong. He is not 21, he will be 23 this year. Old enough to expect more for that prize.
Sat May 10, 2014 12:57 pm
Aramore wrote:LonCar wrote:waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
Mate you got a lot of details wrong. He is not 21, he will be 23 this year. Old enough to expect more for that prize.
He's 23 in December, he was 21 when he signed.
Sat May 10, 2014 1:50 pm
Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
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Yeah.
Although HE would have been a good signing IF we had bought better elsewhere - perhaps not bought Medel, but got 2 decent central midfielders - one of whom needed to be a leader and captain -say for £5m and the other a bit cheaper, but able to fit and cover (Ledley comes to mind), we wouldn't have been relying on the likes of Kim and Cowie then who weren't up to it. Used the rest to buy a decent full-back, where we've struggled all season.
Then there's the £6-£8m spent on Cornelius - if this had been used for at least 1 decent striker we would have stayed up easily with the other above.
Ah, the benfit of hindsight. Mind you, thanks to your crystal ball and romany origins you were telling us all this 9 months ago.
Sat May 10, 2014 1:52 pm
LonCar wrote:waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
Mate you got a lot of details wrong. He is not 21, he will be 23 this year. Old enough to expect more for that prize.
Sat May 10, 2014 1:57 pm
LonCar wrote:Aramore wrote:LonCar wrote:waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
Mate you got a lot of details wrong. He is not 21, he will be 23 this year. Old enough to expect more for that prize.
He's 23 in December, he was 21 when he signed.
John terry and Steven Gerrad were leaders at that age IMO that's a natural quality in some players. For how he is being touted he has been a disappointment. Also think he is slow and looks clumsy on the ball at times. His positional play isn't great either led to several goals. Like Blakey said he is a good athlete but has a lot to learn defensively.
Sat May 10, 2014 3:53 pm
waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
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Yeah.
Although HE would have been a good signing IF we had bought better elsewhere - perhaps not bought Medel, but got 2 decent central midfielders - one of whom needed to be a leader and captain -say for £5m and the other a bit cheaper, but able to fit and cover (Ledley comes to mind), we wouldn't have been relying on the likes of Kim and Cowie then who weren't up to it. Used the rest to buy a decent full-back, where we've struggled all season.
Then there's the £6-£8m spent on Cornelius - if this had been used for at least 1 decent striker we would have stayed up easily with the other above.
Ah, the benfit of hindsight. Mind you, thanks to your crystal ball and romany origins you were telling us all this 9 months ago.
It was more hope than prediction but unfortunately you as fans have been let down massively in so many ways by your players , managers and hierarchy
Sat May 10, 2014 4:38 pm
I think you could do with looking at your own posts again too.waddle wrote:LonCar wrote:Aramore wrote:LonCar wrote:waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
Mate you got a lot of details wrong. He is not 21, he will be 23 this year. Old enough to expect more for that prize.
He's 23 in December, he was 21 when he signed.
John terry and Steven Gerrad were leaders at that age IMO that's a natural quality in some players. For how he is being touted he has been a disappointment. Also think he is slow and looks clumsy on the ball at times. His positional play isn't great either led to several goals. Like Blakey said he is a good athlete but has a lot to learn defensively.
Look at your final statement again , so you now agree with what i said do you, confused or what !
Sat May 10, 2014 5:18 pm
LonCar wrote:I think you could do with looking at your own posts again too.waddle wrote:LonCar wrote:Aramore wrote:LonCar wrote:waddle wrote:Lawnmower wrote:waddle wrote:Bad management in my opinion you bought a 21yr old to be your defensive leader and also payed over the odds for him so he had that weighing him down as well , caulker wads a very good defender for us snd for spurs but played off the experience of his fellow CB
At 21 he has maybe 4yrs before he reaches his peak , you lot expected too much too soon
Agree in part.
He wasn't experienced enough to be our captain, we really needed a leader out there and didn't have one. A kid as captain and a bloke who can hardly speak English as our midfield general.
However it doesn't appear we paid over the odds as most reports have him as being sold for more than we paid for him, so the price was right.
Sorry just checked I thought you payed 11 million for him but it was 8 so I stand corrected , but like you said there's no way a newly promoted club should be looking to a 21yr old to be their captain and defensive leader
Mate you got a lot of details wrong. He is not 21, he will be 23 this year. Old enough to expect more for that prize.
He's 23 in December, he was 21 when he signed.
John terry and Steven Gerrad were leaders at that age IMO that's a natural quality in some players. For how he is being touted he has been a disappointment. Also think he is slow and looks clumsy on the ball at times. His positional play isn't great either led to several goals. Like Blakey said he is a good athlete but has a lot to learn defensively.
Look at your final statement again , so you now agree with what i said do you, confused or what !![]()
It was claimed Chaulker is an inexperienced "kid" that had too much pressure on him, that we shouldn't expect all that much from him.
On the contrary Chaulker is not an inexperienced player, he is an england international, he has played for 3 different PL clubs and has raked up about 80 PL appearances. Perhaps you don't know the club too well but in terms of the PL he is actually by far one of our most experienced players, so perhaps thats why people expected more from him?
Its my personal opinion that Caulker is a decent player, strong, good in the air, a good target man for set pieces but personally not sure how far he will progress as he lacks pace and isn't great on the ball ( things that aren't easily improved at his age), my guess is he will prove to be an unspectacular but solid enough player.
As for his price, Southampton payed less for Lovren, a far more skilful CB at roughly round about the same age. Which gives credence to the notion that English players are overprized. So in short, i would say you are more than welcome to have him back. If you buy him back for 10 mill then thats good business for us!
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Sat May 10, 2014 5:42 pm
waddle wrote:Also he was tidy on the ball for us but maybe having more confidence in the players around you makes you more confident on the ball , watch him flourish when he joins s better team
Sat May 10, 2014 5:51 pm
LonCar wrote:waddle wrote:Also he was tidy on the ball for us but maybe having more confidence in the players around you makes you more confident on the ball , watch him flourish when he joins s better team
There are players in our team that are good on the ball despite being surrounded by players that lack the ability, Chaulker is just not one of them. He just doesn't have that quality to his game. Like i said decent CB but nothing special.
But good luck to him, happy to see him go if we can get back the money and then some. Go for it