Swansea City do fill more of their stadium than us

Lets put the old argument to bed. Certain fans of ours like to continuously state that we fill our stadium and have done this season all the time. When challenged by Swansea fans they then continue this argument.

Well the truth is there in the 'full' column for all to see. They on average fill their ground of a smaller capacity than we do ours. Whether that's through home fans or away fans they still fill their stadium more and have a higher turn out each game which considering Swansea is further away for most fans than Cardiff is quite surprising.

Its of no surprise to me that its lower but numerous fans of ours continuously state we fill it, when the facts state otherwise. When the club has been rebranded pushing fans away and we have a higher capacity to fill from the off whilst having a poor campaign its highly likely we'd have less people turning up.

So whilst over the whole season over 100,000 more fans went through our gates than there's, per game, in terms of filling their capacity, they are doing better.

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They don't. We sell 27,000 they sell 20,000. They may fill a higher percentage if their stadium but that is irrelevant when it is smaller....

We have a bigger segregation than most, which probably accounts for the difference.
Also are those figures for tickets sold or people who actually turn up? As this season due to companies buying and hospitality given, even though games were sold out there were empty seats in certain areas.

They don't. We sell 27,000 they sell 20,000. They may fill a higher percentage if their stadium but that is irrelevant when it is smaller....

Do you possess the ability to read or do you act the moron out of choice?

The fact is Swansea cannot fill their stadium. The fact that their stadium is 1% more full than ours it totally irrelevant. We have a better percentage than Newcastle but 20 odd thousand fans less - there is no argument..

The main difference is the segregation and it is far easier to fill a smaller stadium.

To be fair we were increasing the size of ours every week until November but that chart doesn't account for that.

The rebrand has indeed pulled fans away and I'm not talking a couple of hundred as I reckon its in the thousand at least. These are not part time fans either but your die hards.

The rebrand has indeed pulled fans away and I'm not talking a couple of hundred as I reckon its in the thousand at least. These are not part time fans either but your die hards.

I would disagree to be honest. It has obviously turned some fans away but to say thousands is massively exaggerating in my opinion.

It would be interesting to see some figures on season ticket refunds and how many fans didn't renew their season ticket after the news of the rebrand. Our crowds have increase year on year since (I think) which suggests more fans are coming than being turned away...

Lets put the old argument to bed. Certain fans of ours like to continuously state that we fill our stadium and have done this season all the time. When challenged by Swansea fans they then continue this argument.

Well the truth is there in the 'full' column for all to see. They on average fill their ground of a smaller capacity than we do ours. Whether that's through home fans or away fans they still fill their stadium more and have a higher turn out each game which considering Swansea is further away for most fans than Cardiff is quite surprising.

Its of no surprise to me that its lower but numerous fans of ours continuously state we fill it, when the facts state otherwise. When the club has been rebranded pushing fans away and we have a higher capacity to fill from the off whilst having a poor campaign its highly likely we'd have less people turning up.

So whilst over the whole season over 100,000 more fans went through our gates than there's, per game, in terms of filling their capacity, they are doing better.

Slightly flawed argument there fella, our capacity was increased by 500 partway through the season so how many full houses have been missed. Also, I notice that you post quite a lot of negative stuff on here, if you are not a Jack you certainly give the thickos a great helping hand, just my opinion

Thats the reaction fron many fans ob here.
U must be a jack because u post facts.
As iv said we are in our 3rd season compared to your first.
This season has seen a few empty seats at times but not mamy.
U on times have had large areas of empty seats and others spred out.

Thats the reaction fron many fans ob here.
U must be a jack because u post facts.
As iv said we are in our 3rd season compared to your first.
This season has seen a few empty seats at times but not mamy.
U on times have had large areas of empty seats and others spred out.

We had larger crowds in the championship. There is a reason the club wanted to increase our capacity so quickly because there was demand for the seats.

Obviously were not going to sell out in the championship but if we can get a quick return to the top flight the gap in attendances will continue to increase.

Lets put the old argument to bed. Certain fans of ours like to continuously state that we fill our stadium and have done this season all the time. When challenged by Swansea fans they then continue this argument.

Well the truth is there in the 'full' column for all to see. They on average fill their ground of a smaller capacity than we do ours. Whether that's through home fans or away fans they still fill their stadium more and have a higher turn out each game which considering Swansea is further away for most fans than Cardiff is quite surprising.

Its of no surprise to me that its lower but numerous fans of ours continuously state we fill it, when the facts state otherwise. When the club has been rebranded pushing fans away and we have a higher capacity to fill from the off whilst having a poor campaign its highly likely we'd have less people turning up.

So whilst over the whole season over 100,000 more fans went through our gates than there's, per game, in terms of filling their capacity, they are doing better.

The stats are wrong as they are based on the final capacity and not the initial capacity of the season. The season started with a stadium capacity of 26,828 and even the first game beat that with 27,068 (seats added in the corners etc.). Therefore it was more than 100% full using the initial capacity, which is no less accurate as using the final capacity which wasn't achieved until months later. The second game was 27,344 as more seats were added again, as each time the stadium found places to add seats they were filled. Third game 27,815, but the fourth dropped to 27,538 as Newcastle didn't sell all their allocation and the Jacks also (fifth 27,463). Then for Man U. we reached 28, 016; 27,948 for the Arsenal; 26,632 W.Brom; 27,929 Southampton; 27,247 Sunderland; 27,750 West Ham; 26,748 Norwich; 27,597 Villa; 26,167 Hull; 26,796 Fulham; 28,018 Liverpool; 27,687 Palace and 27,686 Stoke. Therefore, only four games were less than the total capacity of the stadium at the start of the season. If you want a totally accurate figure then find the exact dates and number of seats for each of the expansions, but the final figure will still be higher than using the 28,018 which wasn't the available capacity until the Liverpool game.

Slightly flawed argument there fella, our capacity was increased by 500 partway through the season so how many full houses have been missed. Also, I notice that you post quite a lot of negative stuff on here, if you are not a Jack you certainly give the thickos a great helping hand, just my opinion

The stats take that into account. Look at the maximum capacity figure. If the capacity was increased then the number of tickets available was also increased. This has no impact whatsoever on the percentage which is merely a mean calculated average.

As your Jack argument, that's laughable. I am not giving them a helping hand at all. They don't need one. The stats do not lie.

As for me, I do not really care about attendances. I care about what happens on the pitch and in the boardroom. At the moment for us that is dire on both fronts. I posted this purely to show the facts as opposed to the constant misinformation being spread around the forum by a few posters intent on spouting nonsense.

If you gave us both 30,000 seats we'd have an average of about 29,000 whereas they'd be around 23/24,000 IMO. They've had to give away tickets this season so can't be doing that well at bringing fans through the gates.

They'd probably only sell out 1 game as well and that would be against us

The stats are wrong as they are based on the final capacity and not the initial capacity of the season.

No, the stats factor that in.

28018*18 = 504,324

The figure given in the table as a total attendance is 493,449

The difference is factored in as the max attendance at the end is 28,018 which multiplied by 18 home games is 504,324.

The difference is factored in.

That's nothing to brag about though. They fill their stadium more than Man United, it doesn't mean anything really, especially as they have the smallest stadium in the league (and for good reason).

What does it matter? If it comes down to a choice of watching Championship football with 27000 others, or Premier League football with 21000 others, I know what I'd choose. So would 100% of the posters on here. Doesn't matter to me if the ground is 100% full or 50% full. Being involved in the best league in the world is what it's all about!

That's nothing to brag about though. They fill their stadium more than Man United, it doesn't mean anything really, especially as they have the smallest stadium in the league (and for good reason).

Agreed Jon. I am with you on this but there are some running around the forum creating threads with misinformation. Here's the facts that kill those petty squabbles dead in the water.

As already said, whether its full or empty doesn't matter, if we won every game this season behind closed doors and lifted the Premier League trophy we'd all be over the moon.

Does it matter really.

The stats are wrong as they are based on the final capacity and not the initial capacity of the season.

No, the stats factor that in.

28018*18 = 504,324

The figure given in the table as a total attendance is 493,449

The difference is factored in as the max attendance at the end is 28,018 which multiplied by 18 home games is 504,324.

The difference is factored in.

They don't factor that in, the capacity at the start of the season was less and only reached 28,018 for the last three games. The maximum for the first few was 27k+ which gradually increased to 28,018, but only in time for the Liverpool game, so the 100% capacity would be more than 5000 less over the season, ie. less than 500,000 and nearer to 495,000.

What does it matter? If it comes down to a choice of watching Championship football with 27000 others, or Premier League football with 21000 others, I know what I'd choose. So would 100% of the posters on here. Doesn't matter to me if the ground is 100% full or 50% full. Being involved in the best league in the world is what it's all about!

After our Premier League experience, I can't wait for Championship football again

What does it matter? If it comes down to a choice of watching Championship football with 27000 others, or Premier League football with 21000 others, I know what I'd choose. So would 100% of the posters on here. Doesn't matter to me if the ground is 100% full or 50% full. Being involved in the best league in the world is what it's all about!

Actually I'd rather be with 27000 others in the Championship. The Prem did my tits in with the biased referees, divers, cringe pre match Olympic music and stupid prices. Back to real football next year

What does it matter? If it comes down to a choice of watching Championship football with 27000 others, or Premier League football with 21000 others, I know what I'd choose. So would 100% of the posters on here. Doesn't matter to me if the ground is 100% full or 50% full. Being involved in the best league in the world is what it's all about!

Actually I'd rather be with 27000 others in the Championship. The Prem did my tits in with the biased referees, divers, cringe pre match Olympic music and stupid prices. Back to real football next year

I hate these posts. Football is a competitive sport where everybody wants to be at the top. Are you suggesting you hope we finish mid table next season so we get to stay in the championship again?

Have these figures taken into account our capacity has increased over the season.

What does it matter? If it comes down to a choice of watching Championship football with 27000 others, or Premier League football with 21000 others, I know what I'd choose. So would 100% of the posters on here. Doesn't matter to me if the ground is 100% full or 50% full. Being involved in the best league in the world is what it's all about!

Actually I'd rather be with 27000 others in the Championship. The Prem did my tits in with the biased referees, divers, cringe pre match Olympic music and stupid prices. Back to real football next year

I hate these posts. Football is a competitive sport where everybody wants to be at the top. Are you suggesting you hope we finish mid table next season so we get to stay in the championship again?

Of course everyone wants to be at the top, but this season in the Premier League has been the least enjoyable for me. I would take any Championship season fighting to get promoted than deal with all the shit we've had to go through this season, on and off the field.

Just proves Swansea have the lowest attendance in the League and many Championship teams have bigger attendances....

You need to know the total for home support only and show it as a % of the home end size only. Then you can show a like for like comparison of our support as a percentage of the stadium capacity.

Basically Away fan levels and segregation sizes will skew your stats.

19 thousand attendance in the premiership now that is shocking

People are aware that green arrow is a jack right