The Malky debate...

It's been going on for months, would he or would he not have kept us up. The honest answer is, no one will ever know.

However, stats show that based off the first half of the season when Malky was in charge that he would have kept us up. You can go on about how he made some bad transfers all you want, the fact is, apart from the first game against West Ham, we were NEVER in the relegation zone. I don't understand how anyone can argue with that. What more are you expecting from a manager in the club's the first in the Premier League? Seriously? Because i would have thought our objective at the start of the season was to stay up at all costs, which is exactly what we were doing. And that is not an opinion, it is a fact.

Also, I just want wanna reiterate that i don't blame Ole for us going down. No one can blame him for taking the job. As much as i think his tactics we're diabolical and he was way out of his depth, it was Tan who decided to bring an inexperienced manager into a relegation fight. Which is flat out stupid.

I seriously can think of so many reasons as to why i think Malky would have kept us up and deserved to have at least a full season, but i simply cant be bothered as i would be here for hours. So i decided to take this picture on the Sky Sports website which shows our league position game by game.

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Please, just please try and argue against that. Lads, use your common sense. Can no one see why Annis defends Malky so much? It's because his opinion on him is 100% completely justified. We are looking at one of the greatest managers in our history, who took us to a League cup final, Promotion, and kept us out of the relegation zone (apart from the first day) who was sacked because what? He made a few bad signings and played "boring football" according to some fans. Jesus christ, cmon... its ridiculous.

However, as i said at the start, no one will ever know if Malky would have kept us up, but there is one thing i do know. He absoloutely 100% deserved the opportunity to try.

I genuinely hope he goes on to become a top manager at a big club just to prove all the idiotic fans and mainly Tan wrong.

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It's happened, no point going on about it. One thing is undebatable, he couldn't have been any worse.

Like you said, entirely hypothetical question.

However, my hypothetical answer is that we may well still have gone down. Recent history tells us that, for whatever reason, we are a mentally weak club who always capitulate during the business part of the season. Even last season, when we had the league sewn up by the end of February, we werent convincing in the final few months although that is understandable.

For over a decade now, whenever we have had cup finals/play off finals/must win league games, for some reason we dont turn up and we lose (apart from the liverpool carling cup final, when we played really well and were unlucky).

It's sad to say but had we faced relegation 6 pointers in the latter part of the season, malky or no malky, I think we would have lost them.

That said - it was Malky's team, playing Malky's way, with Malky's mentality. And, although it was still relatively early in the season when he left, he had us competetive. We weren't getting blown away. I think Southampton was the first game I saw at home where we got destroyed, and Malky was basically one foot out the door by then - that must have transferred to the players, so I tend to ignore that game when assessing Malky.

I will say for him - I cannot believe we would have been beaten so easily by Hull, West Ham and Swansea in January/February. I think we would be round about the 35 - 37point mark right now, but that is not looking like it will be enough right now anyway.

Bottom line - Ole needs his players and his philosophy. His philosophy with Malky's players was never going to work. The fact that we have lost 3-0 or more in 5 or 6 different matches against mid to low level teams is frankly disgraceful, but not all that surprising if you refer to my original comments, that said this squad of players was only ever brought together to play in Malky's way - disciplined, organised and 'messy.' We need new players to play a passing game. hopefully Ole will be able to bring his players in and launch a new assault on getting back to the PL in a few seasons time.

He don't manage us no more mate.


Just leave it there.


Or shall we start similar threads about lennie Lawrence and Dave jones too...oh no cos they don't manage us.

we'd have stayed up!

Was the squad good enough..............i think no
was Malky given funds to assemble a squad that was good enough..id say yes
deserve?....its football..as a player he won promotion 3 times but only played 14 prem games......football isnt about sentiment its about the here and now.

Our squad wasn't good enough. Not even Mourinho himself would have kept us up. Our team lacked depth at Premier League level and once we got found out it showed. We gambled on a new manager and he couldn't do it either.

Also, using trends is just ridiculous as that pattern is unlikely to repeat itself over the next half of the season. Teams like Liverpool and United have had terrible starts to the season and then finished top 6 with surging runs of form. Likewise, crap teams have overachieved and then faded away. Its all hypothetical nonsense tbh.

Our squad wasn't good enough. Not even Mourinho himself would have kept us up. Our team lacked depth at Premier League level and once we got found out it showed. We gambled on a new manager and he couldn't do it either.

Also, using trends is just ridiculous as that pattern is unlikely to repeat itself over the next half of the season. Teams like Liverpool and United have had terrible starts to the season and then finished top 6 with surging runs of form. Likewise, crap teams have overachieved and then faded away. Its all hypothetical nonsense tbh.

Don't be so daft mun, you get the same amount of points in each half of the season the stats surely can't lie.

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Turn the table upside down and we're the first Welsh team to win the Premier League. That's what I've done anyway!! Football in my world is now scored like golf with the lowest scorers winning.

Our squad wasn't good enough. Not even Mourinho himself would have kept us up. Our team lacked depth at Premier League level and once we got found out it showed. We gambled on a new manager and he couldn't do it either.

Also, using trends is just ridiculous as that pattern is unlikely to repeat itself over the next half of the season. Teams like Liverpool and United have had terrible starts to the season and then finished top 6 with surging runs of form. Likewise, crap teams have overachieved and then faded away. Its all hypothetical nonsense tbh.

Don't be so daft mun, you get the same amount of points in each half of the season the stats surely can't lie.

Even if we did we would still go down if Sunderoand get 1 more point

Using that graph as "proof" Malky would've kept us up is absolutely ridiculous. For one, everyone knows that league positions don't show a true reflection of where teams will roughly finish until the second half of the season. Yes, I believe Malky is a better manager but those "stats" mean absolutely nothing.

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Actually mate, if you paid more attention instead of looking at it for a second and making a stupid comment like that, you'd see that apart from a few times where we shot up the table (not a bad thing), we were pretty consistent in our league position. More importantly, we were consistantly out of the relegation zone.

The only time the graph heading south is when Tan appointed Ole.

Using that graph as "proof" Malky would've kept us up is absolutely ridiculous. For one, everyone knows that league positions don't show a true reflection of where teams will roughly finish until the second half of the season. Yes, I believe Malky is a better manager but those "stats" mean absolutely nothing.

I'm not using it as "proof". It's there simply to show our league position when Malky was in charge compared to when Ole was manager. Can't argue with what it shows can you?

I think Malky would have kept us up. Our work rate on the pitch has dropped dramatically since he left. We used to press teams high up the pitch and this was our best trait as a team in the MM era. That's what got us promoted and I think what would have kept us up. But it wasn't pretty football which is why Malky had become unpopular. We finished the season being the easiest team in the league to play against. We deserve to be bottom below Fulham who we were way way better than when we played the at Craven Cottage under Malky.

Our squad wasn't good enough. Not even Mourinho himself would have kept us up. Our team lacked depth at Premier League level and once we got found out it showed. We gambled on a new manager and he couldn't do it either.

Also, using trends is just ridiculous as that pattern is unlikely to repeat itself over the next half of the season. Teams like Liverpool and United have had terrible starts to the season and then finished top 6 with surging runs of form. Likewise, crap teams have overachieved and then faded away. Its all hypothetical nonsense tbh.

No, i agree, our squad wasn't good enough, but our manager was. Look at Palace, a mid/high championship squad at best, but with Pulis in charge they stayed up convincingly.

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Actually mate, if you paid more attention instead of looking at it for a second and making a stupid comment like that, you'd see that apart from a few times where we shot up the table (not a bad thing), we were pretty consistent in our league position. More importantly, we were consistantly out of the relegation zone.

The only time the graph heading south is when Tan appointed Ole.

Cobblers

We got off to a good start being the unkown quantity and got 8 points from 6 games. It was downhill from then on as the graph shoes with just 9 points in malkys next 12 games.

We had got sussed out as a team with a poor defence who out pressure on will just whack the ball anywhere, a slow and weak midfield, and a team who couldnt score from open play.

I think Malky would have kept us up. Our work rate on the pitch has dropped dramatically since he left. We used to press teams high up the pitch and this was our best trait as a team in the MM era. That's what got us promoted and I think what would have kept us up. But it wasn't pretty football which is why Malky had become unpopular. We finished the season being the easiest team in the league to play against. We deserve to be bottom below Fulham who we were way way better than when we played the at Craven Cottage under Malky.

Press teams high up the pitch

We had 10 men camped on our 18 yard line most of the time

Was the squad good enough..............i think no
was Malky given funds to assemble a squad that was good enough..id say yes
deserve?....its football..as a player he won promotion 3 times but only played 14 prem games......football isnt about sentiment its about the here and now.

No, he didn't deserve it because of sentiment. He deserved it because he was doing a bloody good job and like i said, apart from the first game against West Ham we weren't in the relegation zone once. Not ONCE. What more do you want? Seriously, can you answer that question? Where did you expect us to be when Malky was sacked?

Using that graph as "proof" Malky would've kept us up is absolutely ridiculous. For one, everyone knows that league positions don't show a true reflection of where teams will roughly finish until the second half of the season. Yes, I believe Malky is a better manager but those "stats" mean absolutely nothing.

I'm not using it as "proof". It's there simply to show our league position when Malky was in charge compared to when Ole was manager. Can't argue with what it shows can you?

Yes you can argue with it, even Malky himself said that you shouldn't look at the table until after Christmas. The league table in any league means nothing in the first half of the season.

Our squad wasn't good enough. Not even Mourinho himself would have kept us up. Our team lacked depth at Premier League level and once we got found out it showed. We gambled on a new manager and he couldn't do it either.

Also, using trends is just ridiculous as that pattern is unlikely to repeat itself over the next half of the season. Teams like Liverpool and United have had terrible starts to the season and then finished top 6 with surging runs of form. Likewise, crap teams have overachieved and then faded away. Its all hypothetical nonsense tbh.

Don't be so daft mun, you get the same amount of points in each half of the season the stats surely can't lie.

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Actually mate, if you paid more attention instead of looking at it for a second and making a stupid comment like that, you'd see that apart from a few times where we shot up the table (not a bad thing), we were pretty consistent in our league position. More importantly, we were consistantly out of the relegation zone.

The only time the graph heading south is when Tan appointed Ole.

Cobblers

We got off to a good start being the unkown quantity and got 8 points from 6 games. It was downhill from then on as the graph shoes with just 9 points in malkys next 12 games.

We had got sussed out as a team with a poor defence who out pressure on will just whack the ball anywhere, a slow and weak midfield, and a team who couldnt score from open play.

So a manager or a team isn't allowed to go through a bad patch? The fact is, and i'll repeat it again, we weren't in the relegation zone once, apart from the first day. You can tell me as much as you want that we were gonna end up going down under Malky, but im getting bored of repeating myself now, until we actually go into the relegation zone you have no argument. We were where we had to be after half the season was done. That is all you can ask from a manager.

Was the squad good enough..............i think no
was Malky given funds to assemble a squad that was good enough..id say yes
deserve?....its football..as a player he won promotion 3 times but only played 14 prem games......football isnt about sentiment its about the here and now.

No, he didn't deserve it because of sentiment. He deserved it because he was doing a bloody good job and like i said, apart from the first game against West Ham we weren't in the relegation zone once. Not ONCE. What more do you want? Seriously, can you answer that question? Where did you expect us to be when Malky was sacked?

By this logic Arsenal should have won the league then?

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Actually mate, if you paid more attention instead of looking at it for a second and making a stupid comment like that, you'd see that apart from a few times where we shot up the table (not a bad thing), we were pretty consistent in our league position. More importantly, we were consistantly out of the relegation zone.

The only time the graph heading south is when Tan appointed Ole.

Cobblers

We got off to a good start being the unkown quantity and got 8 points from 6 games. It was downhill from then on as the graph shoes with just 9 points in malkys next 12 games.

We had got sussed out as a team with a poor defence who out pressure on will just whack the ball anywhere, a slow and weak midfield, and a team who couldnt score from open play.

So a manager or a team isn't allowed to go through a bad patch? The fact is, and i'll repeat it again, we weren't in the relegation zone once, apart from the first day. You can tell me as much as you want that we were gonna end up going down under Malky, but im getting bored of repeating myself now, until we actually go into the relegation zone you have no argument. We were where we had to be after half the season was done. That is all you can ask from a manager.

I repeat. Did Arsenal win the league?

Using that graph as "proof" Malky would've kept us up is absolutely ridiculous. For one, everyone knows that league positions don't show a true reflection of where teams will roughly finish until the second half of the season. Yes, I believe Malky is a better manager but those "stats" mean absolutely nothing.

I'm not using it as "proof". It's there simply to show our league position when Malky was in charge compared to when Ole was manager. Can't argue with what it shows can you?

Yes you can argue with it, even Malky himself said that you shouldn't look at the table until after Christmas. The league table in any league means nothing in the first half of the season.

So if we had 0 points at Christmas the table would mean nothing? You and I both know it does mean something. It means we had enough points to stay out of the relegation zone at the time.

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Actually mate, if you paid more attention instead of looking at it for a second and making a stupid comment like that, you'd see that apart from a few times where we shot up the table (not a bad thing), we were pretty consistent in our league position. More importantly, we were consistantly out of the relegation zone.

The only time the graph heading south is when Tan appointed Ole.

Cobblers

We got off to a good start being the unkown quantity and got 8 points from 6 games. It was downhill from then on as the graph shoes with just 9 points in malkys next 12 games.

We had got sussed out as a team with a poor defence who out pressure on will just whack the ball anywhere, a slow and weak midfield, and a team who couldnt score from open play.

So a manager or a team isn't allowed to go through a bad patch? The fact is, and i'll repeat it again, we weren't in the relegation zone once, apart from the first day. You can tell me as much as you want that we were gonna end up going down under Malky, but im getting bored of repeating myself now, until we actually go into the relegation zone you have no argument. We were where we had to be after half the season was done. That is all you can ask from a manager.

I repeat. Did Arsenal win the league?

What's your point? No, Arsenal didn't win the league but after half the season they were doing well. Only when injuries to Ramsey, Walcott, Ozil, Wilshere etc occured, they started to drop down the league. That's off topic anyway.

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Actually mate, if you paid more attention instead of looking at it for a second and making a stupid comment like that, you'd see that apart from a few times where we shot up the table (not a bad thing), we were pretty consistent in our league position. More importantly, we were consistantly out of the relegation zone.

The only time the graph heading south is when Tan appointed Ole.

Cobblers

We got off to a good start being the unkown quantity and got 8 points from 6 games. It was downhill from then on as the graph shoes with just 9 points in malkys next 12 games.

We had got sussed out as a team with a poor defence who out pressure on will just whack the ball anywhere, a slow and weak midfield, and a team who couldnt score from open play.

So a manager or a team isn't allowed to go through a bad patch? The fact is, and i'll repeat it again, we weren't in the relegation zone once, apart from the first day. You can tell me as much as you want that we were gonna end up going down under Malky, but im getting bored of repeating myself now, until we actually go into the relegation zone you have no argument. We were where we had to be after half the season was done. That is all you can ask from a manager.

I repeat. Did Arsenal win the league?

What's your point? No, Arsenal didn't win the league but after half the season they were doing well. Only when injuries to Ramsey, Walcott, Ozil, Wilshere etc occured, they started to drop down the league. That's off topic anyway.

Exactly. They didnt win the league although they spent most of the 1st half if the season on top of it.

So just because we werent in the relegation zone after 18 of 38 games doesnt mean we wouldnt have got relegated.

As your graph and my stats show thats where we were heading. 1 point above the zone which you put down to a bad patch and did you expect that bad patch to improve with 5 of our next 6 away games to Arsenal, Citeh, United, Everton and Spurs.

GET REAL

Malky lost the players evidenced by us losing 3 nil to Southampton in a game when a win could have kept him in the job.

Your own graph shows we were heading one way ffs

Actually mate, if you paid more attention instead of looking at it for a second and making a stupid comment like that, you'd see that apart from a few times where we shot up the table (not a bad thing), we were pretty consistent in our league position. More importantly, we were consistantly out of the relegation zone.

The only time the graph heading south is when Tan appointed Ole.

Cobblers

We got off to a good start being the unkown quantity and got 8 points from 6 games. It was downhill from then on as the graph shoes with just 9 points in malkys next 12 games.

We had got sussed out as a team with a poor defence who out pressure on will just whack the ball anywhere, a slow and weak midfield, and a team who couldnt score from open play.

So a manager or a team isn't allowed to go through a bad patch? The fact is, and i'll repeat it again, we weren't in the relegation zone once, apart from the first day. You can tell me as much as you want that we were gonna end up going down under Malky, but im getting bored of repeating myself now, until we actually go into the relegation zone you have no argument. We were where we had to be after half the season was done. That is all you can ask from a manager.

I repeat. Did Arsenal win the league?

What's your point? No, Arsenal didn't win the league but after half the season they were doing well. Only when injuries to Ramsey, Walcott, Ozil, Wilshere etc occured, they started to drop down the league. That's off topic anyway.

Exactly. They didnt win the league although they spent most of the 1st half if the season on top of it.

So just because we werent in the relegation zone after 18 of 38 games doesnt mean we wouldnt have got relegated.

As your graph and my stats show thats where we were heading. 1 point above the zone which you put down to a bad patch and did you expect that bad patch to improve with 5 of our next 6 away games to Arsenal, Citeh, United, Everton and Spurs.

GET REAL

9 points from 12 games when we played games like:
Arsenal away
Man Utd home
Newcastle (who were playing amazing at the time) home
Chelsea away
Villa away
Stoke away

isnt that bad. Most of our games in the first half of the season were either home against big teams or away against teams around us. Most of which you wouldnt expect to win. So, theoretically, we should've picked up more points in the second half of the season when we played the teams around us at home. How did that go?

You're deluded and just completely stupid. I don't even know why i reply to you

Malky lost the players evidenced by us losing 3 nil to Southampton in a game when a win could have kept him in the job.

He already knew he was gonna get sacked, he didn't lose the players. We could've won that game 10-0 and it wouldn't have made a difference.