has your opinion changed

Time and time again on here over the past few years you lot have harped on about how the top of the championship is as strong as the bottom of the pl. Well after spending 40-50 m and signing a new team has your opinion changed? Has the pl been tougher than you imagined? Is there a difference? Many clubs have come up via the play offs and spent a fraction of what you spent but thrived. Did you as a fan underestimate the league?

That is probably the biggest lesson I have learnt this season. We won the Championship without a style of play that was attractive to watch but that was effective. Players worked hard for each other and have 110% but we lacked quality and still won the league.

Malky approached this season with the same mentality and at the start of the season it worked well for us. Until teams sussed our style of play. Once teams worked out how we played the points were coming in less and less and our lack of options, ability, flair and pace was there to be seen.

The gap between the prem and championship is huge.

The biggest lesson is spending the money wisely.

We managed to blow the budget and not improve. Had we spent the money better ive no doubt we would have had a better season

Time and time again on here over the past few years you lot have harped on about how the top of the championship is as strong as the bottom of the pl. Well after spending 40-50 m and signing a new team has your opinion changed? Has the pl been tougher than you imagined? Is there a difference? Many clubs have come up via the play offs and spent a fraction of what you spent but thrived. Did you as a fan underestimate the league?

we didn't really sign a new team we spent over half of our budget on 3 players and one of them is a dud signing the reason we were so poor was because of the fact that we had a squad who couldn't make that step up to the premier league that's why clubs like yourselves have done better because you still have players in your squad today that were in the championship if i was the manager of our squad i would probably get rid of half of the squad the lack of technical ability in our squad is shocking i do have to admit though i think the officials in this league are very bad

Not really, we stuffed up or season off the pitch rather than on it. Without the turmoil we might even be safe by now.

In fact, I'm amazed that we still even have a small chance. Shows how bad the season has been for the likes of Swansea et al when we have trailed them by one or two wins most of the season when we've been so poor.

Not really, we stuffed up or season off the pitch rather than on it. Without the turmoil we might even be safe by now.

In fact, I'm amazed that we still even have a small chance. Shows how bad the season has been for the likes of Swansea et al when we have trailed them by one or two wins most of the season when we've been so poor.

all this off field bollox...........how many genuine prem class players do we have..?

Not really, we stuffed up or season off the pitch rather than on it. Without the turmoil we might even be safe by now.

In fact, I'm amazed that we still even have a small chance. Shows how bad the season has been for the likes of Swansea et al when we have trailed them by one or two wins most of the season when we've been so poor.

all this off field bollox...........how many genuine prem class players do we have..?

I guess your angle here is that our team are crap, if they are that bad then how are we only a small number of points behind established PL teams such as Fulham, Sunderland, Villa, Norwich, WBA.

Either the managers are geniuses or the team isn't as bad as you say it is. Your choice.

In addition, anyone who thinks off field issues do not distract players is very, very wrong.

My opinion for what its worth, is this is a seriously difficult league. There are no easy games and even the sides at the foot of the table on their day can really turn it on. Mistakes are punished so often and goals scored out of nothing. You have to have leaders, pace and all have to be technically sound. We bought Graham, caulker, routledge, lita and most importantly gylfi in jan to give a massive boost. All for less than you spent on a failed striker. Imo that signing was a massive contibuting factor in your season as was the turmoil off the field. But part of me thinks maybe tan and a few of your fans looked at us and thought well if they can do it it cant be that hard?

My opinion for what its worth, is this is a seriously difficult league. There are no easy games and even the sides at the foot of the table on their day can really turn it on. Mistakes are punished so often and goals scored out of nothing. You have to have leaders, pace and all have to be technically sound. We bought Graham, caulker, routledge, lita and most importantly gylfi in jan to give a massive boost. All for less than you spent on a failed striker. Imo that signing was a massive contibuting factor in your season as was the turmoil off the field. But part of me thinks maybe tan and a few of your fans looked at us and thought well if they can do it it cant be that hard?

I don't think that we looked at Swansea and thought 'it can't be that hard', but we did think that we could perhaps do as well. It's been a painful lesson, but its obvious now that there is a huge difference between the Championship and the Premier League. Perhaps we were complacent, or simply out of our depth as a club. The owner's behaviour certainly has not helped things. Malky and Ole both seem to be out of their depth. Their signings have not been good enough to keep us up. The alarm bells, for me, started ringing after losing at home to Tottenham and Newcastle. True, it was only 1-0 and 2-1, but we were totally outplayed by Tottenham, and lucky not to be four down at half time to Newcastle. Remember thinking that we could not carry on like that!

But that's football. This will be my eighth relegation. As long as we learn from it, then we might be back fairly soon. My main concern is the absence of real football men on the board, with the exception, perhaps, of Dalman.

We also need to re- unite as a club. The only way that can be done is to go back to blue and our traditions. Promotion papered over the cracks, but they have come to the fore again. We can only progress together.

I've renewed my ST, and am still looking forward to next season

My opinion for what its worth, is this is a seriously difficult league. There are no easy games and even the sides at the foot of the table on their day can really turn it on. Mistakes are punished so often and goals scored out of nothing. You have to have leaders, pace and all have to be technically sound. We bought Graham, caulker, routledge, lita and most importantly gylfi in jan to give a massive boost. All for less than you spent on a failed striker. Imo that signing was a massive contibuting factor in your season as was the turmoil off the field. But part of me thinks maybe tan and a few of your fans looked at us and thought well if they can do it it cant be that hard?

This is where you start to get the obsessive taunts thrown at you. It's not all about you and it's about time you realise it. For what it's worth your style of play when you went up was more conducive to the premiership than the championship and you were better placed to adapt than other teams. We were industrious with not a lot of flair but with the ability to win ugly. It was important that the right areas were strengthened and this didn't happen. We relied on so called marquee signings who have all flattered to deceive and perhaps signed a couple of more experienced players at lesser price tags.
Personally never thought it was going to be easy and as soon as I saw the way Tottenham pull us all over the park early in the season I knew it was going to be a struggle

It's a good and valid question as you did believe and often commented on what jackf is saying at the start of the season about there not being a great deal of difference between the top of the Championship and the bottom half of the PL.I thought you'd stay up just but that was with Makay in charge.As soon as MM and Tan started bickering it was the beginning of the end for you.A change of manager at a vital time in the season proved your undoing.I still believe you'd have stayed up if you'd have persevered with Makay but as soon as he went the wheels came off and you went into freefall apart from the Southampton game.

Makay made some strange signings particularly Cornelius and Brayford but in Caulker and Medel I thought he bought well even though Medel has struggled the second half of the season.I even thought that RB Catherine looked a decent player against us but has since gone backwards under OGS.You were never a pushover under Makay but as we seen at ours under OGS you'd lost your shape and belief and started leaking goals like no other side in the league.Makay was a defender and a leader remember and you were difficult to break down as we seen at yours in the first derby game.I always thought you was a decent striker away from being a tidy side.In any league a team is as only as good as the striker they've got and with Campbell and then Jones you had 2 mediocre players which has reflected in your league position.

For what it's worth and it's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain the blame lies firmly at the feet of Vincent Tan for firstly getting rid of Moody and then ultimately Makay.Boring answer but the truth i believe.

I think we would have survived if Malky was still here. However, the top 6 clubs are on a different planet....and lets be fair, with all the off field cack involving Tan and the sackings, there was only ever going to be one outcome. Its our own doing.
A massive self destruct button was pushed.

It's a good and valid question as you did believe and often commented on what jackf is saying at the start of the season about there not being a great deal of difference between the top of the Championship and the bottom half of the PL.I thought you'd stay up just but that was with Makay in charge.As soon as MM and Tan started bickering it was the beginning of the end for you.A change of manager at a vital time in the season proved your undoing.I still believe you'd have stayed up if you'd have persevered with Makay but as soon as he went the wheels came off and you went into freefall apart from the Southampton game.

Makay made some strange signings particularly Cornelius and Brayford but in Caulker and Medel I thought he bought well even though Medel has struggled the second half of the season.I even thought that RB Catherine looked a decent player against us but has since gone backwards under OGS.You were never a pushover under Makay but as we seen at ours under OGS you'd lost your shape and belief and started leaking goals like no other side in the league.Makay was a defender and a leader remember and you were difficult to break down as we seen at yours in the first derby game.I always thought you was a decent striker away from being a tidy side.In any league a team is as only as good as the striker they've got and with Campbell and then Jones you had 2 mediocre players which has reflected in your league
For what it's worth and it's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain the blame lies firmly at the feet of Vincent Tan for firstly getting rid of Moody and then ultimately Makay.Boring answer but the truth i believe.

Not everyone thought it was going to be easy. Yes you'll always get the fan who dreams and gets carried away but any fan with half a braincell knew massive strengthening was needed after we stuttered to the championship title. I don't just blame tan that would be too easy. I will alwAys have respect for what Malky achieved but his well documented player dossier really let him down with signings of unfulfilled promise. We were on the slide but off field matters probably didn't help. Ole signed some duffers and the attempt to radically change the playing style as been ridiculous and unrewarded. The bottom line as always is the players are not good enough, a couple of signings away and maybe we could have done better. Your more or less right about the strikers as bony for you as made a massive difference however the service to whatever frontline we have deployed has been sparse and I think benzema would have struggled to get in double figures for us

The top 6 or 7 clubs are worlds apart from the rest, although maybe Southampton are bridging it to an extent. Otherwise I don't think the PL is particularly strong but it is very competitive and you have to play your A game if you're to pick up points.

Clearly there is a gap between the top of the championship and the bottom half of the PL but it isn't huge and can be bridged with some smart signings. Hull and palace have shown this but of course also had good managers with bags of experience.

Even with our shambles Cardiff City haven't been that far off in terms of staying up, maybe 6 points away from safety across the season. We just blew it with the wrong signings in the wrong areas, and at times a style of football that seemed to pin all hopes on a 0.0.

Looking forward to next season though

It's a good and valid question as you did believe and often commented on what jackf is saying at the start of the season about there not being a great deal of difference between the top of the Championship and the bottom half of the PL.I thought you'd stay up just but that was with Makay in charge.As soon as MM and Tan started bickering it was the beginning of the end for you.A change of manager at a vital time in the season proved your undoing.I still believe you'd have stayed up if you'd have persevered with Makay but as soon as he went the wheels came off and you went into freefall apart from the Southampton game.

Makay made some strange signings particularly Cornelius and Brayford but in Caulker and Medel I thought he bought well even though Medel has struggled the second half of the season.I even thought that RB Catherine looked a decent player against us but has since gone backwards under OGS.You were never a pushover under Makay but as we seen at ours under OGS you'd lost your shape and belief and started leaking goals like no other side in the league.Makay was a defender and a leader remember and you were difficult to break down as we seen at yours in the first derby game.I always thought you was a decent striker away from being a tidy side.In any league a team is as only as good as the striker they've got and with Campbell and then Jones you had 2 mediocre players which has reflected in your league
For what it's worth and it's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain the blame lies firmly at the feet of Vincent Tan for firstly getting rid of Moody and then ultimately Makay.Boring answer but the truth i believe.

Not everyone thought it was going to be easy. Yes you'll always get the fan who dreams and gets carried away but any fan with half a braincell knew massive strengthening was needed after we stuttered to the championship title. I don't just blame tan that would be too easy. I will alwAys have respect for what Malky achieved but his well documented player dossier really let him down with signings of unfulfilled promise. We were on the slide but off field matters probably didn't help. Ole signed some duffers and the attempt to radically change the playing style as been ridiculous and unrewarded. The bottom line as always is the players are not good enough, a couple of signings away and maybe we could have done better. Your more or less right about the strikers as bony for you as made a massive difference however the service to whatever frontline we have deployed has been sparse and I think benzema would have struggled to get in double figures for us

I don't think your squad is weaker than Crystal Palaces for example.You can stay up with a good motivator as manager and Makay was that.People forget the Malky fist pump.

It's a good and valid question as you did believe and often commented on what jackf is saying at the start of the season about there not being a great deal of difference between the top of the Championship and the bottom half of the PL.I thought you'd stay up just but that was with Makay in charge.As soon as MM and Tan started bickering it was the beginning of the end for you.A change of manager at a vital time in the season proved your undoing.I still believe you'd have stayed up if you'd have persevered with Makay but as soon as he went the wheels came off and you went into freefall apart from the Southampton game.

Makay made some strange signings particularly Cornelius and Brayford but in Caulker and Medel I thought he bought well even though Medel has struggled the second half of the season.I even thought that RB Catherine looked a decent player against us but has since gone backwards under OGS.You were never a pushover under Makay but as we seen at ours under OGS you'd lost your shape and belief and started leaking goals like no other side in the league.Makay was a defender and a leader remember and you were difficult to break down as we seen at yours in the first derby game.I always thought you was a decent striker away from being a tidy side.In any league a team is as only as good as the striker they've got and with Campbell and then Jones you had 2 mediocre players which has reflected in your league
For what it's worth and it's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain the blame lies firmly at the feet of Vincent Tan for firstly getting rid of Moody and then ultimately Makay.Boring answer but the truth i believe.

Not everyone thought it was going to be easy. Yes you'll always get the fan who dreams and gets carried away but any fan with half a braincell knew massive strengthening was needed after we stuttered to the championship title. I don't just blame tan that would be too easy. I will alwAys have respect for what Malky achieved but his well documented player dossier really let him down with signings of unfulfilled promise. We were on the slide but off field matters probably didn't help. Ole signed some duffers and the attempt to radically change the playing style as been ridiculous and unrewarded. The bottom line as always is the players are not good enough, a couple of signings away and maybe we could have done better. Your more or less right about the strikers as bony for you as made a massive difference however the service to whatever frontline we have deployed has been sparse and I think benzema would have struggled to get in double figures for us

I don't think your squad is weaker than Crystal Palaces for example.You can stay up with a good motivator as manager and Makay was that.People forget the Malky fist pump.

It's amazing what a rapport with the fans can do. Malky done well but his failings was his summer signings were not good enough and the lack of pace and flair in our squad was apparent. For me the way we played against palace and Norwich away was embarrassing and I'm just glad I watched on a stream and not wasted good money watching some of the most negative football I've ever seen. I am not a believer that he would have kept us up and will not forget what he done for us either. At the start of the season I hoped if we went down we went down trying to win games rather than holding out and sadly for us anyway none of these seemed to happen

Time and time again on here over the past few years you lot have harped on about how the top of the championship is as strong as the bottom of the pl. Well after spending 40-50 m and signing a new team has your opinion changed? Has the pl been tougher than you imagined? Is there a difference? Many clubs have come up via the play offs and spent a fraction of what you spent but thrived. Did you as a fan underestimate the league?

I did. I'll be brutally honest.

I thought there wasn't much difference between the bottom half of the Premiership and the top 4 or 5 in the Championship apart from some teams having a top goalscorer (i.e. last season Fletcher at Sunderland, Benteke at Villa, Berba at Fulham etc..)

I'll hold my hands up and say the standard and pace of the football played, especially on the counter or if you lose the ball/make a mistake etc is a different level. In the Championship you can make an error and sometimes get punished. In the Prem you make a mistake and that's your ass more often than not.

Oh, and we've been shit for the large part of the season and no where near good enough for this league and the table doesn't lie!

No.

We went into the season off the back of pretty average form. Hudson was our most important player last season, Caulker was an improvement, but never a captain.

I think we fell in love with the idea of Medel, but it took forever to realise he didn't need a helper with him.

I believe last seasons team would beat this current team, as would Leicester....

The top 6 or 7 clubs are worlds apart from the rest, although maybe Southampton are bridging it to an extent. Otherwise I don't think the PL is particularly strong but it is very competitive and you have to play your A game if you're to pick up points.

Clearly there is a gap between the top of the championship and the bottom half of the PL but it isn't huge and can be bridged with some smart signings. Hull and palace have shown this but of course also had good managers with bags of experience.

Even with our shambles Cardiff City haven't been that far off in terms of staying up, maybe 6 points away from safety across the season. We just blew it with the wrong signings in the wrong areas, and at times a style of football that seemed to pin all hopes on a 0.0.

Looking forward to next season though

Think this is spot on