' Vincent Tan ' - " The Options "

Perhaps someone more educated on the financial impacts could comment on this - what are the feasible options available to Tan now that relegation is looking increasingly likely?

1. Stays as it is, takes the financial hit, invests a bit more with a view to another promotion jackpot

2. Cuts his loses, sells the club to 'wash his hands' of the club

3. Liquidation/Administration - is this possible and what are the impacts?

4. Debt to equity - does this benefit him in any way?

Any thoughts appreciated...

Admin you can remove. If we went into admin then the parachute payments would cease.

I hope he takes a drop and goes. Sells us on the cheap and cuts his loses. That is my heart speaking. My head says he will stay and give it another go as the parachute payments will dampen everything. What he has got to consider is that is it financially a good idea to return to blue.

...or is there another option we haven't considered?

How is it financially beneficial to return to blue?

As much as I'd like it to happen, I would assume that merchandise probably makes up a small margin when compared against the income streams of the club? I may be wrong on that?

In our promotion season Tan put in £20m so as long as he hasn't done anything stupid in terms of committing to unnecessary expenditure on stadium expansions and contracts the parachute payments should mean he doesn't have to put in a penny next season. Combine that with the probable sales of Marshall, Caulker and Medel and I see him giving it at least two more seasons to try and get back up before the parachute payments don't cover him

The wages expended and transfer fees etc spent this last year are understood to be VERY high, so going into the championship with high earners will always be a struggle, especially if their heart isn't in playing for the shirt.

I think this will be a big struggle for many of our players next year, if the worst happens and we are relegated.

Perhaps someone more educated on the financial impacts could comment on this - what are the feasible options available to Tan now that relegation is looking increasingly likely?

1. Stays as it is, takes the financial hit, invests a bit more with a view to another promotion jackpot

2. Cuts his loses, sells the club to 'wash his hands' of the club

3. Liquidation/Administration - is this possible and what are the impacts?

4. Debt to equity - does this benefit him in any way?

Any thoughts appreciated...

Number one and no return to blue is where I think he will go

The wages expended and transfer fees etc spent this last year are understood to be VERY high, so going into the championship with high earners will always be a struggle, especially if their heart isn't in playing for the shirt.

I think this will be a big struggle for many of our players next year, if the worst happens and we are relegated.

That's why parachute payments came along.

The financial aspect of returning ot blue would increase merchandise sales and every little bit help but its main advantage would be a united fan base and trust me that goes a long way.

After his comments in recent months I would suggest it's safe to say Tan won't entertain going back to blue.

I have a feeling he will remain as we are but strangle the funds available, and therefor keep the parachute payment money for his own resource, leaving us struggling to get back immediately.

After his comments in recent months I would suggest it's safe to say Tan won't entertain going back to blue.

I have a feeling he will remain as we are but strangle the funds available, and therefor keep the parachute payment money for his own resource, leaving us struggling to get back immediately.

Unless he offloads the big wage earners he can forget about getting any money back from the parachute payments.

He needs to make us attractive to sell and this relegation has killed all but his plans. He needs us back in the premier esle he is going to have to drop his price.

After his comments in recent months I would suggest it's safe to say Tan won't entertain going back to blue.

I have a feeling he will remain as we are but strangle the funds available, and therefor keep the parachute payment money for his own resource, leaving us struggling to get back immediately.

Unless he offloads the big wage earners he can forget about getting any money back from the parachute payments.

He needs to make us attractive to sell and this relegation has killed all but his plans. He needs us back in the premier esle he is going to have to drop his price.

You forget the relegation clauses in contracts. Salaries will drop immensly.

After his comments in recent months I would suggest it's safe to say Tan won't entertain going back to blue.

I have a feeling he will remain as we are but strangle the funds available, and therefor keep the parachute payment money for his own resource, leaving us struggling to get back immediately.

Unless he offloads the big wage earners he can forget about getting any money back from the parachute payments.

He needs to make us attractive to sell and this relegation has killed all but his plans. He needs us back in the premier esle he is going to have to drop his price.

You forget the relegation clauses in contracts. Salaries will drop immensly.

You're assuming that there was someone bright enough to insert said clauses.

After his comments in recent months I would suggest it's safe to say Tan won't entertain going back to blue.

I have a feeling he will remain as we are but strangle the funds available, and therefor keep the parachute payment money for his own resource, leaving us struggling to get back immediately.

Unless he offloads the big wage earners he can forget about getting any money back from the parachute payments.

He needs to make us attractive to sell and this relegation has killed all but his plans. He needs us back in the premier esle he is going to have to drop his price.

You forget the relegation clauses in contracts. Salaries will drop immensly.

This then comes back to one of the points above about the desire that person has in playing for the shirt. Financially speaking we may have provisioned with clauses in contracts, but would that players desire/fight drop with their wage cut? I guess we'll see soon enough.

Tan is loosing interest fast !!! Not appeared at a game for week now

Not appeared.

But we've not been playing top boys so he ain't interested.


Plastic c**t

Tan is loosing interest fast !!! Not appeared at a game for week now

You forget how far away Malaysia is!!
I think he will give it another blast, after all he has put too much money in to just walk away!

After his comments in recent months I would suggest it's safe to say Tan won't entertain going back to blue.

I have a feeling he will remain as we are but strangle the funds available, and therefor keep the parachute payment money for his own resource, leaving us struggling to get back immediately.

Unless he offloads the big wage earners he can forget about getting any money back from the parachute payments.

He needs to make us attractive to sell and this relegation has killed all but his plans. He needs us back in the premier esle he is going to have to drop his price.

You forget the relegation clauses in contracts. Salaries will drop immensly.

This then comes back to one of the points above about the desire that person has in playing for the shirt. Financially speaking we may have provisioned with clauses in contracts, but would that players desire/fight drop with their wage cut? I guess we'll see soon enough.

The ones who don't normally leave anyway. Mainly through get out clauses.

After his comments in recent months I would suggest it's safe to say Tan won't entertain going back to blue.

I have a feeling he will remain as we are but strangle the funds available, and therefor keep the parachute payment money for his own resource, leaving us struggling to get back immediately.

Unless he offloads the big wage earners he can forget about getting any money back from the parachute payments.

He needs to make us attractive to sell and this relegation has killed all but his plans. He needs us back in the premier esle he is going to have to drop his price.

You forget the relegation clauses in contracts. Salaries will drop immensly.

You're assuming that there was someone bright enough to insert said clauses.

At this club. Anyone bright enough to insert such a clause would have never applied for a job in the first place.

The wages expended and transfer fees etc spent this last year are understood to be VERY high, so going into the championship with high earners will always be a struggle, especially if their heart isn't in playing for the shirt.

I think this will be a big struggle for many of our players next year, if the worst happens and we are relegated.

I honestly dont think we'll see any of the high earners next season, they'll be gone

Perhaps someone more educated on the financial impacts could comment on this - what are the feasible options available to Tan now that relegation is looking increasingly likely?

1. Stays as it is, takes the financial hit, invests a bit more with a view to another promotion jackpot

2. Cuts his loses, sells the club to 'wash his hands' of the club

3. Liquidation/Administration - is this possible and what are the impacts?

4. Debt to equity - does this benefit him in any way?

Any thoughts appreciated...

I think Vincent Tan will sell as many players as possible throughout the summer to get them off the books and to recoup much of his investment. I think he will then pocket the parachute money, re-investing little if anything and then with the club on its knees either at the bottom of the Championship or worse dropping into Division 1 I think he will leave.

what a guy!

The wages expended and transfer fees etc spent this last year are understood to be VERY high, so going into the championship with high earners will always be a struggle, especially if their heart isn't in playing for the shirt.

I think this will be a big struggle for many of our players next year, if the worst happens and we are relegated.

I honestly dont think we'll see any of the high earners next season, they'll be gone

Very difficult to offload high earners - their agents advise them not to leave for lesser contracts and even with reduced transfer fees the buying club often has wage ceilings. Just look at some of the Blackburn lot....

The wages expended and transfer fees etc spent this last year are understood to be VERY high, so going into the championship with high earners will always be a struggle, especially if their heart isn't in playing for the shirt.

I think this will be a big struggle for many of our players next year, if the worst happens and we are relegated.

I honestly dont think we'll see any of the high earners next season, they'll be gone

Very difficult to offload high earners - their agents advise them not to leave for lesser contracts and even with reduced transfer fees the buying club often has wage ceilings. Just look at some of the Blackburn lot....

This is one of my concerns too - just look at Wolves! They've had to try and loan out their higher earners just to get them off the books. Selling them with high wages will be a tall order in my opinion.

Perhaps someone more educated on the financial impacts could comment on this - what are the feasible options available to Tan now that relegation is looking increasingly likely?

1. Stays as it is, takes the financial hit, invests a bit more with a view to another promotion jackpot

2. Cuts his loses, sells the club to 'wash his hands' of the club

3. Liquidation/Administration - is this possible and what are the impacts?

4. Debt to equity - does this benefit him in any way?

Any thoughts appreciated...

I think there would be an option 5. Sell Caulker, Medel, Marshall & Mutch and reinvest that money and some of the parachute payments in good Championship players.

The wages expended and transfer fees etc spent this last year are understood to be VERY high, so going into the championship with high earners will always be a struggle, especially if their heart isn't in playing for the shirt.

I think this will be a big struggle for many of our players next year, if the worst happens and we are relegated.

That's why parachute payments came along.

The financial aspect of returning ot blue would increase merchandise sales and every little bit help but its main advantage would be a united fan base and trust me that goes a long way.

More than that it would unify the club and get us all in it together, which would give us better support at home and give is a greater chance of promotion.........

Annisabraham/Carl - what do you think will happen?

BLUE is the colour Mr. Tan.

Merchandising could be doubled next year as all red tops would be hung in the wardrobe and new blue ones bought. Blue fans would happily buy a genuine BLUE home kit, especially if we have our badge back (or shrink the dragon and blow up the bluebird).

The league we play in is not entirely in our hands now but we can do everything possible to give ourselves a chance.

Mr. Tan will stay till the money stream shrinks to a trickle. Then he will leave.

OR

We get success, in which case, he will be seen by plastics as the saviour of the club.

I see him as someone who may have accelerated our first year in The Premier League, but unless we survive, will have gained us little other than experience. We would have achieved our own success by careful management and development of the potentially huge fan base.

If we want immediate re-promotion (assuming the worst for this season), we can't afford to sell too many players! We already had Marshall for example and he alone possibly gave us automatic promotion last year rather than the play-offs.

To finish as I started:

BLUE is the colour Mr. Tan.

Annisabraham/Carl - what do you think will happen?

give us a sign

I can't see next seasons high earners being no more than :-

Caulker - 99% sure he will be gone
Medel - Fair start to the season, showed he can do a job, looks shagged and got progressively worse as the season continued. quite sure some mid table prem team will give him another chance. May lose a little bit on him.
Jones - No one will take him- we are shagged.
Fabio - Probably on a decent whack, how long was his contract for

I guess all the rest will revert back to their championship salaries, or were not on the big ones this season

Hard to stop leaving - Marshall & Mutch

Tan is loosing interest fast !!! Not appeared at a game for week now

You forget how far away Malaysia is!!
I think he will give it another blast, after all he has put too much money in to just walk away!

Malaysia? Pah. He should try Sunderland and back on a bus in one day!