Everyone ask themselves this

Do you believe had tan ignored the Protest after the Liverpool game and sacked Mackay then which was his intention would we be safe from relegation by now?

This is obviously assuming solskjaer would have joined almost immediately after his dismissal!

The answer for me is a resounding yes we'd be comfortably safe and probably have 40 points now as ole would have had proper time to work with the squad then and have a better idea of what areas needed strengthening come January where as he had no time and just bought players he knew he could trust when he joined beginning of January

I belive this 100% as I can see improvements finally showing now but it's too little to late and extra two months would have been massive for us

Second question

That protest was over a manager we all know managers come and go and our club is no different so why the big protest?

I am 100% this was just aimed at undermining tan and rightly so I might add and this was for me not down to wanting Mackay to stay for many of those that stayed and protested just because people had had enough of tan his rebrand and the general bullshit surrounding the club which again is fine

But in keeping a manager in his job for a little longer just to stick one to tan has actually cost us our premier league survival IMO and had the fans shown this much passion for the club crest and colours then we probably would never have even got to the point where Malkys position was under threat although with his poor spending and poor tactics it was always coming

Tan was always going to sack him nearly everyone knew this I just wish the protest hadn't happened and that tan had just got rid when he should have

I understand some won't like this thread and will think it's an anti malky thread but it isn't it's a pro Cardiff city thread

I always want what's best for Cardiff and malky going then was what was best for the club unfortunately it didn't happen and almost two months later the damage was done IMO

And some will also slate me here for saying they didn't do enough when it mattered and they protested at Liverpool cos enough was enough but that just backs my argument up here cos most that protested wasn't because they thought what tan done to malky was wrong it was merely because they felt they let the club traditions down for not sticking it to tan long before and decided that that game was the time for them t make up for it

That's my opinion

I am 100% certain we'd be safe now had solskjaer had those valuable two months

But that's been and gone and before some ask what I have done for history and tradition I'll say what I said a long time ago

The colour and crest mean very little to me never have never will, history is just that it's already happened that cannot be changed by anyone we will always have fond memories of our days following city each for different reasons I still love watching the club cos it's something I love but I don't only watch us cos we are blue or cos we are in the premier league I have followed for 14 years because I fell in love with this club when I was a 7 yr old footballer myself who played on the pitch at half time and was amazed by how great the atmosphere was at this club

A lot has changed since then we now play in red in a new stadium with more support than ever some maybe new some older and wiser than I but only thing that's changed for me is the support it's not what it was and I'm not talking about takin no shot etc cos that's down to individual preference but what I see now are fans with silly expectations that boo and shout and abuse our players week in week out I never saw that up until championship football people blame tan for dividing the fan base but this was happening well before tans arrival and will continue long after he has gone

Had fans shownt he unity of the Liverpool protest then the rebrand that everyone blames for the atmosphere etc wouldn't have gone forward at all

So I guess what I'm saying is that every fan should look at themselves as I have done recently and say why is the atmosphere bad, why are we blaming tan for everything why are we infighting where has the spirit of old gone

It's down to each and everyone of us and we are the key to this

So support the lads final 3 games stop the infighting and just do what I do enjoy the ride far more important things in life than the colour of shirts etc

I go now only because I still enjoy the day out with my friends and love the game that's where it all started for me and as long as I keep enjoying it I will go support the team and enjoy myself whether we stay up or end up in the conference.

Do you believe had tan ignored the Protest after the Liverpool game and sacked Mackay then which was his intention would we be safe from relegation by now?

This is obviously assuming solskjaer would have joined almost immediately after his dismissal!

The answer for me is a resounding yes we'd be comfortably safe and probably have 40 points now as ole would have had proper time to work with the squad then and have a better idea of what areas needed strengthening come January where as he had no time and just bought players he knew he could trust when he joined beginning of January

I belive this 100% as I can see improvements finally showing now but it's too little to late and extra two months would have been massive for us

Second question

That protest was over a manager we all know managers come and go and our club is no different so why the big protest?

I am 100% this was just aimed at undermining tan and rightly so I might add and this was for me not down to wanting Mackay to stay for many of those that stayed and protested just because people had had enough of tan his rebrand and the general bullshit surrounding the club which again is fine

But in keeping a manager in his job for a little longer just to stick one to tan has actually cost us our premier league survival IMO and had the fans shown this much passion for the club crest and colours then we probably would never have even got to the point where Malkys position was under threat although with his poor spending and poor tactics it was always coming

Tan was always going to sack him nearly everyone knew this I just wish the protest hadn't happened and that tan had just got rid when he should have

I understand some won't like this thread and will think it's an anti malky thread but it isn't it's a pro Cardiff city thread

I always want what's best for Cardiff and malky going then was what was best for the club unfortunately it didn't happen and almost two months later the damage was done IMO

And some will also slate me here for saying they didn't do enough when it mattered and they protested at Liverpool cos enough was enough but that just backs my argument up here cos most that protested wasn't because they thought what tan done to malky was wrong it was merely because they felt they let the club traditions down for not sticking it to tan long before and decided that that game was the time for them t make up for it

That's my opinion

I am 100% certain we'd be safe now had solskjaer had those valuable two months

But that's been and gone and before some ask what I have done for history and tradition I'll say what I said a long time ago

The colour and crest mean very little to me never have never will, history is just that it's already happened that cannot be changed by anyone we will always have fond memories of our days following city each for different reasons I still love watching the club cos it's something I love but I don't only watch us cos we are blue or cos we are in the premier league I have followed for 14 years because I fell in love with this club when I was a 7 yr old footballer myself who played on the pitch at half time and was amazed by how great the atmosphere was at this club

A lot has changed since then we now play in red in a new stadium with more support than ever some maybe new some older and wiser than I but only thing that's changed for me is the support it's not what it was and I'm not talking about takin no shot etc cos that's down to individual preference but what I see now are fans with silly expectations that boo and shout and abuse our players week in week out I never saw that up until championship football people blame tan for dividing the fan base but this was happening well before tans arrival and will continue long after he has gone

Had fans shownt he unity of the Liverpool protest then the rebrand that everyone blames for the atmosphere etc wouldn't have gone forward at all

So I guess what I'm saying is that every fan should look at themselves as I have done recently and say why is the atmosphere bad, why are we blaming tan for everything why are we infighting where has the spirit of old gone

It's down to each and everyone of us and we are the key to this

So support the lads final 3 games stop the infighting and just do what I do enjoy the ride far more important things in life than the colour of shirts etc

I go now only because I still enjoy the day out with my friends and love the game that's where it all started for me and as long as I keep enjoying it I will go support the team and enjoy myself whether we stay up or end up in the conference.

i believe that malky has done a wrong along the way,and it was a matter of when not if...but just my opinion

Do you believe had tan ignored the Protest after the Liverpool game and sacked Mackay then which was his intention would we be safe from relegation by now?

This is obviously assuming solskjaer would have joined almost immediately after his dismissal!

The answer for me is a resounding yes we'd be comfortably safe and probably have 40 points now as ole would have had proper time to work with the squad then and have a better idea of what areas needed strengthening come January where as he had no time and just bought players he knew he could trust when he joined beginning of January

I belive this 100% as I can see improvements finally showing now but it's too little to late and extra two months would have been massive for us

Second question

That protest was over a manager we all know managers come and go and our club is no different so why the big protest?

I am 100% this was just aimed at undermining tan and rightly so I might add and this was for me not down to wanting Mackay to stay for many of those that stayed and protested just because people had had enough of tan his rebrand and the general bullshit surrounding the club which again is fine

But in keeping a manager in his job for a little longer just to stick one to tan has actually cost us our premier league survival IMO and had the fans shown this much passion for the club crest and colours then we probably would never have even got to the point where Malkys position was under threat although with his poor spending and poor tactics it was always coming

Tan was always going to sack him nearly everyone knew this I just wish the protest hadn't happened and that tan had just got rid when he should have

I understand some won't like this thread and will think it's an anti malky thread but it isn't it's a pro Cardiff city thread

I always want what's best for Cardiff and malky going then was what was best for the club unfortunately it didn't happen and almost two months later the damage was done IMO

And some will also slate me here for saying they didn't do enough when it mattered and they protested at Liverpool cos enough was enough but that just backs my argument up here cos most that protested wasn't because they thought what tan done to malky was wrong it was merely because they felt they let the club traditions down for not sticking it to tan long before and decided that that game was the time for them t make up for it

That's my opinion

I am 100% certain we'd be safe now had solskjaer had those valuable two months

But that's been and gone and before some ask what I have done for history and tradition I'll say what I said a long time ago

The colour and crest mean very little to me never have never will, history is just that it's already happened that cannot be changed by anyone we will always have fond memories of our days following city each for different reasons I still love watching the club cos it's something I love but I don't only watch us cos we are blue or cos we are in the premier league I have followed for 14 years because I fell in love with this club when I was a 7 yr old footballer myself who played on the pitch at half time and was amazed by how great the atmosphere was at this club

A lot has changed since then we now play in red in a new stadium with more support than ever some maybe new some older and wiser than I but only thing that's changed for me is the support it's not what it was and I'm not talking about takin no shot etc cos that's down to individual preference but what I see now are fans with silly expectations that boo and shout and abuse our players week in week out I never saw that up until championship football people blame tan for dividing the fan base but this was happening well before tans arrival and will continue long after he has gone

Had fans shownt he unity of the Liverpool protest then the rebrand that everyone blames for the atmosphere etc wouldn't have gone forward at all

So I guess what I'm saying is that every fan should look at themselves as I have done recently and say why is the atmosphere bad, why are we blaming tan for everything why are we infighting where has the spirit of old gone

It's down to each and everyone of us and we are the key to this

So support the lads final 3 games stop the infighting and just do what I do enjoy the ride far more important things in life than the colour of shirts etc

I go now only because I still enjoy the day out with my friends and love the game that's where it all started for me and as long as I keep enjoying it I will go support the team and enjoy myself whether we stay up or end up in the conference.

I just asked myself and give myself an answer

Do you believe had tan ignored the Protest after the Liverpool game and sacked Mackay then which was his intention would we be safe from relegation by now?

This is obviously assuming solskjaer would have joined almost immediately after his dismissal!

The answer for me is a resounding yes we'd be comfortably safe and probably have 40 points now as ole would have had proper time to work with the squad then and have a better idea of what areas needed strengthening come January where as he had no time and just bought players he knew he could trust when he joined beginning of January

I belive this 100% as I can see improvements finally showing now but it's too little to late and extra two months would have been massive for us

Second question

That protest was over a manager we all know managers come and go and our club is no different so why the big protest?

I am 100% this was just aimed at undermining tan and rightly so I might add and this was for me not down to wanting Mackay to stay for many of those that stayed and protested just because people had had enough of tan his rebrand and the general bullshit surrounding the club which again is fine

But in keeping a manager in his job for a little longer just to stick one to tan has actually cost us our premier league survival IMO and had the fans shown this much passion for the club crest and colours then we probably would never have even got to the point where Malkys position was under threat although with his poor spending and poor tactics it was always coming

Tan was always going to sack him nearly everyone knew this I just wish the protest hadn't happened and that tan had just got rid when he should have

I understand some won't like this thread and will think it's an anti malky thread but it isn't it's a pro Cardiff city thread

I always want what's best for Cardiff and malky going then was what was best for the club unfortunately it didn't happen and almost two months later the damage was done IMO

And some will also slate me here for saying they didn't do enough when it mattered and they protested at Liverpool cos enough was enough but that just backs my argument up here cos most that protested wasn't because they thought what tan done to malky was wrong it was merely because they felt they let the club traditions down for not sticking it to tan long before and decided that that game was the time for them t make up for it

That's my opinion

I am 100% certain we'd be safe now had solskjaer had those valuable two months

But that's been and gone and before some ask what I have done for history and tradition I'll say what I said a long time ago

The colour and crest mean very little to me never have never will, history is just that it's already happened that cannot be changed by anyone we will always have fond memories of our days following city each for different reasons I still love watching the club cos it's something I love but I don't only watch us cos we are blue or cos we are in the premier league I have followed for 14 years because I fell in love with this club when I was a 7 yr old footballer myself who played on the pitch at half time and was amazed by how great the atmosphere was at this club

A lot has changed since then we now play in red in a new stadium with more support than ever some maybe new some older and wiser than I but only thing that's changed for me is the support it's not what it was and I'm not talking about takin no shot etc cos that's down to individual preference but what I see now are fans with silly expectations that boo and shout and abuse our players week in week out I never saw that up until championship football people blame tan for dividing the fan base but this was happening well before tans arrival and will continue long after he has gone

Had fans shownt he unity of the Liverpool protest then the rebrand that everyone blames for the atmosphere etc wouldn't have gone forward at all

So I guess what I'm saying is that every fan should look at themselves as I have done recently and say why is the atmosphere bad, why are we blaming tan for everything why are we infighting where has the spirit of old gone

It's down to each and everyone of us and we are the key to this

So support the lads final 3 games stop the infighting and just do what I do enjoy the ride far more important things in life than the colour of shirts etc

I go now only because I still enjoy the day out with my friends and love the game that's where it all started for me and as long as I keep enjoying it I will go support the team and enjoy myself whether we stay up or end up in the conference.

I just asked myself and give myself an answer

Lol thanks for that

Always felt Malky was never going to take us up a level from avoiding relegation. An exceptional season for us would have been mid table with Malky. I felt we would achieve that until I saw the Acorn at Forest Green. After that game I thought survival would be the great achievement.

I felt for the club to go up to that next level Tan should have replaced Malky after the Palace game. That would have given the new manager time to adjust and keep us safely in the premier this season and a push up for the next campaign. However Tan did not make his move and I believe he should have kept Malky on when he finally gave him the push. Finishing off on this part I don't think Ole was the right choice,

Yes I do believe the protest were not in aid of Malky but a hit at Tan.

Do you believe had tan ignored the Protest after the Liverpool game and sacked Mackay then which was his intention would we be safe from relegation by now?

This is obviously assuming solskjaer would have joined almost immediately after his dismissal!

The answer for me is a resounding yes we'd be comfortably safe and probably have 40 points now as ole would have had proper time to work with the squad then and have a better idea of what areas needed strengthening come January where as he had no time and just bought players he knew he could trust when he joined beginning of January

I belive this 100% as I can see improvements finally showing now but it's too little to late and extra two months would have been massive for us

Second question

That protest was over a manager we all know managers come and go and our club is no different so why the big protest?

I am 100% this was just aimed at undermining tan and rightly so I might add and this was for me not down to wanting Mackay to stay for many of those that stayed and protested just because people had had enough of tan his rebrand and the general bullshit surrounding the club which again is fine

But in keeping a manager in his job for a little longer just to stick one to tan has actually cost us our premier league survival IMO and had the fans shown this much passion for the club crest and colours then we probably would never have even got to the point where Malkys position was under threat although with his poor spending and poor tactics it was always coming

Tan was always going to sack him nearly everyone knew this I just wish the protest hadn't happened and that tan had just got rid when he should have

I understand some won't like this thread and will think it's an anti malky thread but it isn't it's a pro Cardiff city thread

I always want what's best for Cardiff and malky going then was what was best for the club unfortunately it didn't happen and almost two months later the damage was done IMO

And some will also slate me here for saying they didn't do enough when it mattered and they protested at Liverpool cos enough was enough but that just backs my argument up here cos most that protested wasn't because they thought what tan done to malky was wrong it was merely because they felt they let the club traditions down for not sticking it to tan long before and decided that that game was the time for them t make up for it

That's my opinion

I am 100% certain we'd be safe now had solskjaer had those valuable two months

But that's been and gone and before some ask what I have done for history and tradition I'll say what I said a long time ago

The colour and crest mean very little to me never have never will, history is just that it's already happened that cannot be changed by anyone we will always have fond memories of our days following city each for different reasons I still love watching the club cos it's something I love but I don't only watch us cos we are blue or cos we are in the premier league I have followed for 14 years because I fell in love with this club when I was a 7 yr old footballer myself who played on the pitch at half time and was amazed by how great the atmosphere was at this club

A lot has changed since then we now play in red in a new stadium with more support than ever some maybe new some older and wiser than I but only thing that's changed for me is the support it's not what it was and I'm not talking about takin no shot etc cos that's down to individual preference but what I see now are fans with silly expectations that boo and shout and abuse our players week in week out I never saw that up until championship football people blame tan for dividing the fan base but this was happening well before tans arrival and will continue long after he has gone

Had fans shownt he unity of the Liverpool protest then the rebrand that everyone blames for the atmosphere etc wouldn't have gone forward at all

So I guess what I'm saying is that every fan should look at themselves as I have done recently and say why is the atmosphere bad, why are we blaming tan for everything why are we infighting where has the spirit of old gone

It's down to each and everyone of us and we are the key to this

So support the lads final 3 games stop the infighting and just do what I do enjoy the ride far more important things in life than the colour of shirts etc

I go now only because I still enjoy the day out with my friends and love the game that's where it all started for me and as long as I keep enjoying it I will go support the team and enjoy myself whether we stay up or end up in the conference.

A good read and 100% correct

Always felt Malky was never going to take us up a level from avoiding relegation. An exceptional season for us would have been mid table with Malky. I felt we would achieve that until I saw the Acorn at Forest Green. After that game I thought survival would be the great achievement.

I felt for the club to go up to that next level Tan should have replaced Malky after the Palace game. That would have given the new manager time to adjust and keep us safely in the premier this season and a push up for the next campaign. However Tan did not make his move and I believe he should have kept Malky on when he finally gave him the push. Finishing off on this part I don't think Ole was the right choice,

Yes I do believe the protest were not in aid of Malky but a hit at Tan.

Cheers baked some valid points and agree with most there

I still don't necessarily think ole is them man ether but am firmly of belief that had he had end of October November and all of December to work with our squad I honestly think we'd be safe no problem now

Do you believe had tan ignored the Protest after the Liverpool game and sacked Mackay then which was his intention would we be safe from relegation by now?

This is obviously assuming solskjaer would have joined almost immediately after his dismissal!

The answer for me is a resounding yes we'd be comfortably safe and probably have 40 points now as ole would have had proper time to work with the squad then and have a better idea of what areas needed strengthening come January where as he had no time and just bought players he knew he could trust when he joined beginning of January

I belive this 100% as I can see improvements finally showing now but it's too little to late and extra two months would have been massive for us

Second question

That protest was over a manager we all know managers come and go and our club is no different so why the big protest?

I am 100% this was just aimed at undermining tan and rightly so I might add and this was for me not down to wanting Mackay to stay for many of those that stayed and protested just because people had had enough of tan his rebrand and the general bullshit surrounding the club which again is fine

But in keeping a manager in his job for a little longer just to stick one to tan has actually cost us our premier league survival IMO and had the fans shown this much passion for the club crest and colours then we probably would never have even got to the point where Malkys position was under threat although with his poor spending and poor tactics it was always coming

Tan was always going to sack him nearly everyone knew this I just wish the protest hadn't happened and that tan had just got rid when he should have

I understand some won't like this thread and will think it's an anti malky thread but it isn't it's a pro Cardiff city thread

I always want what's best for Cardiff and malky going then was what was best for the club unfortunately it didn't happen and almost two months later the damage was done IMO

And some will also slate me here for saying they didn't do enough when it mattered and they protested at Liverpool cos enough was enough but that just backs my argument up here cos most that protested wasn't because they thought what tan done to malky was wrong it was merely because they felt they let the club traditions down for not sticking it to tan long before and decided that that game was the time for them t make up for it

That's my opinion

I am 100% certain we'd be safe now had solskjaer had those valuable two months

But that's been and gone and before some ask what I have done for history and tradition I'll say what I said a long time ago

The colour and crest mean very little to me never have never will, history is just that it's already happened that cannot be changed by anyone we will always have fond memories of our days following city each for different reasons I still love watching the club cos it's something I love but I don't only watch us cos we are blue or cos we are in the premier league I have followed for 14 years because I fell in love with this club when I was a 7 yr old footballer myself who played on the pitch at half time and was amazed by how great the atmosphere was at this club

A lot has changed since then we now play in red in a new stadium with more support than ever some maybe new some older and wiser than I but only thing that's changed for me is the support it's not what it was and I'm not talking about takin no shot etc cos that's down to individual preference but what I see now are fans with silly expectations that boo and shout and abuse our players week in week out I never saw that up until championship football people blame tan for dividing the fan base but this was happening well before tans arrival and will continue long after he has gone

Had fans shownt he unity of the Liverpool protest then the rebrand that everyone blames for the atmosphere etc wouldn't have gone forward at all

So I guess what I'm saying is that every fan should look at themselves as I have done recently and say why is the atmosphere bad, why are we blaming tan for everything why are we infighting where has the spirit of old gone

It's down to each and everyone of us and we are the key to this

So support the lads final 3 games stop the infighting and just do what I do enjoy the ride far more important things in life than the colour of shirts etc

I go now only because I still enjoy the day out with my friends and love the game that's where it all started for me and as long as I keep enjoying it I will go support the team and enjoy myself whether we stay up or end up in the conference.

A good read and 100% correct

Cheers

Always felt Malky was never going to take us up a level from avoiding relegation. An exceptional season for us would have been mid table with Malky. I felt we would achieve that until I saw the Acorn at Forest Green. After that game I thought survival would be the great achievement.

I felt for the club to go up to that next level Tan should have replaced Malky after the Palace game. That would have given the new manager time to adjust and keep us safely in the premier this season and a push up for the next campaign. However Tan did not make his move and I believe he should have kept Malky on when he finally gave him the push. Finishing off on this part I don't think Ole was the right choice,

Yes I do believe the protest were not in aid of Malky but a hit at Tan.

Agree with everything there ian malkys biggest failure was his inability to bring a striker to the club to give us any chance of staying up. After all he had the same problem with a striker scoring in the championship.
The only thing I could add is that it took him to long to introduce noone into the side.

So I guess what I'm saying is that every fan should look at themselves as I have done recently and say why is the atmosphere bad, why are we blaming tan for everything why are we infighting where has the spirit of old gone

Seems a typical case of the Premiership being a poisoned chalice and money being the root to all evil.

Always felt Malky was never going to take us up a level from avoiding relegation. An exceptional season for us would have been mid table with Malky. I felt we would achieve that until I saw the Acorn at Forest Green. After that game I thought survival would be the great achievement.

I felt for the club to go up to that next level Tan should have replaced Malky after the Palace game. That would have given the new manager time to adjust and keep us safely in the premier this season and a push up for the next campaign. However Tan did not make his move and I believe he should have kept Malky on when he finally gave him the push. Finishing off on this part I don't think Ole was the right choice,

Yes I do believe the protest were not in aid of Malky but a hit at Tan.

Cheers baked some valid points and agree with most there

I still don't necessarily think ole is them man ether but am firmly of belief that had he had end of October November and all of December to work with our squad I honestly think we'd be safe no problem now

Cracking op but Liverpool game was December so sacking Malky then wouldn't have made much difference. It was only the Southampton game that Malky had extra wasn't it?

Always felt Malky was never going to take us up a level from avoiding relegation. An exceptional season for us would have been mid table with Malky. I felt we would achieve that until I saw the Acorn at Forest Green. After that game I thought survival would be the great achievement.

I felt for the club to go up to that next level Tan should have replaced Malky after the Palace game. That would have given the new manager time to adjust and keep us safely in the premier this season and a push up for the next campaign. However Tan did not make his move and I believe he should have kept Malky on when he finally gave him the push. Finishing off on this part I don't think Ole was the right choice,

Yes I do believe the protest were not in aid of Malky but a hit at Tan.

Cheers baked some valid points and agree with most there

I still don't necessarily think ole is them man ether but am firmly of belief that had he had end of October November and all of December to work with our squad I honestly think we'd be safe no problem now

Cracking op but Liverpool game was December so sacking Malky then wouldn't have made much difference. It was only the Southampton game that Malky had extra wasn't it?

Not sure where I got my dates from I shouldn't drink and type lol

I first heard the Malky song at villa away, I thought what a stupid chant, I never sung it.
Malky and Tans relationship was all broke down and it was obvious there was only ever going to be one winner.
For me the Club is bigger than any Manager and sometimes you just have to accept and move on.
Great OP