Vincent Tan

This man has ruined the club.

1. Huge debts.
2. Poor manager
3. Unsettled staff throughout club
4. Going down
5. If he walks away or stops financing then going bust.
6. Changed colours
7. Changed logo
8. Wouldnt think twice about changing name.

Malky Mackay & Ian Moody both did fine jobs for the club; the transfers may well have all worked out fine but nearly every club has bought players of which not all have settled well. It seems both are being judged on Cornelius but he hardly played, injury affected his start into the league and at 20 - was always a player to develop for the future. To expect all to hit ground running is a pipe dream. -Before Tan started acting like a c**t, the performances looked like that of the strongest of the promoted teams and pundits felt safety would be achieved.

The down fall of Mackay & Moody centred not around the transfer budget but about the bonus structure. If you recall Tan vetoed that, the players then barred him from changing room and 6 weeks later both men were out of their jobs and the slide was in full swing from the highest placed promoted team to slowly sinking into the bottom 3 and having Palace a team that spent next to nothing leap frog us and nick our technical director or whatever job title Moody had - they nearly nicked our manager too but in the end got the best manager available leaving us with crazy Tan's logic to get OGS who has no experience of PL managerial and certainly not life at the bottom - totally different to Man U.

Tan in desperation then went to the dressing room to try and re-offer the bonus structure he'd previously vetoed - how ridiculous and only to be told that it was illegal.

All that got us from Man U was Zaha who ultimately is Palace through and through and every week he must chuckle that one of their rival are going down.

The most important though putting this all aside is that Tan is bankrupting the club and the foolish fans are letting him, their eyes hypnotized by all his shiny gold. If anyone thinks he wants to hang about in Championship then they'll be a big surprise and the debts are unsustainable even with a fairly decent average attendance (22k last yr)

It's too late now he has fucked the club but he should be marched out, the fans own the club, the history, the future and not this utter prick - power and strength in unison, get this utter nobjockey out of English football.

This man has ruined the club.

1. Huge debts.
2. Poor manager
3. Unsettled staff throughout club
4. Going down
5. If he walks away or stops financing then going bust.
6. Changed colours
7. Changed logo
8. Wouldnt think twice about changing name.

Malky Mackay & Ian Moody both did fine jobs for the club; the transfers may well have all worked out fine but nearly every club has bought players of which not all have settled well. It seems both are being judged on Cornelius but he hardly played, injury affected his start into the league and at 20 - was always a player to develop for the future. To expect all to hit ground running is a pipe dream. -Before Tan started acting like a c**t, the performances looked like that of the strongest of the promoted teams and pundits felt safety would be achieved.

The down fall of Mackay & Moody centred not around the transfer budget but about the bonus structure. If you recall Tan vetoed that, the players then barred him from changing room and 6 weeks later both men were out of their jobs and the slide was in full swing from the highest placed promoted team to slowly sinking into the bottom 3 and having Palace a team that spent next to nothing leap frog us and nick our technical director or whatever job title Moody had - they nearly nicked our manager too but in the end got the best manager available leaving us with crazy Tan's logic to get OGS who has no experience of PL managerial and certainly not life at the bottom - totally different to Man U.

Tan in desperation then went to the dressing room to try and re-offer the bonus structure he'd previously vetoed - how ridiculous and only to be told that it was illegal.

All that got us from Man U was Zaha who ultimately is Palace through and through and every week he must chuckle that one of their rival are going down.

The most important though putting this all aside is that Tan is bankrupting the club and the foolish fans are letting him, their eyes hypnotized by all his shiny gold. If anyone thinks he wants to hang about in Championship then they'll be a big surprise and the debts are unsustainable even with a fairly decent average attendance (22k last yr)

It's too late now he has fucked the club but he should be marched out, the fans own the club, the history, the future and not this utter prick - power and strength in unison, get this utter nobjockey out of English football.

blame malky who overspent on utter gash

I stopped reading when you said we were the best of the promoted teams. Complete bollocks. Hull have been out performing us since the start of the season.

This man has ruined the club.

1. Huge debts.
2. Poor manager
3. Unsettled staff throughout club
4. Going down
5. If he walks away or stops financing then going bust.
6. Changed colours
7. Changed logo
8. Wouldnt think twice about changing name.

Malky Mackay & Ian Moody both did fine jobs for the club; the transfers may well have all worked out fine but nearly every club has bought players of which not all have settled well. It seems both are being judged on Cornelius but he hardly played, injury affected his start into the league and at 20 - was always a player to develop for the future. To expect all to hit ground running is a pipe dream. -Before Tan started acting like a c**t, the performances looked like that of the strongest of the promoted teams and pundits felt safety would be achieved.

The down fall of Mackay & Moody centred not around the transfer budget but about the bonus structure. If you recall Tan vetoed that, the players then barred him from changing room and 6 weeks later both men were out of their jobs and the slide was in full swing from the highest placed promoted team to slowly sinking into the bottom 3 and having Palace a team that spent next to nothing leap frog us and nick our technical director or whatever job title Moody had - they nearly nicked our manager too but in the end got the best manager available leaving us with crazy Tan's logic to get OGS who has no experience of PL managerial and certainly not life at the bottom - totally different to Man U.

Tan in desperation then went to the dressing room to try and re-offer the bonus structure he'd previously vetoed - how ridiculous and only to be told that it was illegal.

All that got us from Man U was Zaha who ultimately is Palace through and through and every week he must chuckle that one of their rival are going down.

The most important though putting this all aside is that Tan is bankrupting the club and the foolish fans are letting him, their eyes hypnotized by all his shiny gold. If anyone thinks he wants to hang about in Championship then they'll be a big surprise and the debts are unsustainable even with a fairly decent average attendance (22k last yr)

It's too late now he has fucked the club but he should be marched out, the fans own the club, the history, the future and not this utter prick - power and strength in unison, get this utter nobjockey out of English football.

blame malky who overspent on utter gash

You are deluded.

December 25 - Hull 18 pts played 17 games/ Cardiff 17 pts played 17.

By that time Mackay had been completely underminded and the club was in turmoil - on top of this the bonus scadal of early October certainly cost 3 points against Newcastle.

17 pts in before Christmas with a crazy fool of a chairman interfering, sacking staff and undermining team spirit by withdrawing agreed bonuses is a very credible start.

As for the squad additions - 17 pts in a new league, the aim is to be outside the drop zone i.e. survive and Malkay was well on his way toward that.

I think if you ask any neutral they would have said at the start of December that Cardiff would have stayed up where as now its doom and gloom only i'm afraid. The guy has bust the club.

As for Cornelius - I bet you a fiver he makes it as a top flight football star.

This man has ruined the club.

1. Huge debts.
2. Poor manager
3. Unsettled staff throughout club
4. Going down
5. If he walks away or stops financing then going bust.
6. Changed colours
7. Changed logo
8. Wouldnt think twice about changing name.

Malky Mackay & Ian Moody both did fine jobs for the club; the transfers may well have all worked out fine but nearly every club has bought players of which not all have settled well. It seems both are being judged on Cornelius but he hardly played, injury affected his start into the league and at 20 - was always a player to develop for the future. To expect all to hit ground running is a pipe dream. -Before Tan started acting like a c**t, the performances looked like that of the strongest of the promoted teams and pundits felt safety would be achieved.

The down fall of Mackay & Moody centred not around the transfer budget but about the bonus structure. If you recall Tan vetoed that, the players then barred him from changing room and 6 weeks later both men were out of their jobs and the slide was in full swing from the highest placed promoted team to slowly sinking into the bottom 3 and having Palace a team that spent next to nothing leap frog us and nick our technical director or whatever job title Moody had - they nearly nicked our manager too but in the end got the best manager available leaving us with crazy Tan's logic to get OGS who has no experience of PL managerial and certainly not life at the bottom - totally different to Man U.

Tan in desperation then went to the dressing room to try and re-offer the bonus structure he'd previously vetoed - how ridiculous and only to be told that it was illegal.

All that got us from Man U was Zaha who ultimately is Palace through and through and every week he must chuckle that one of their rival are going down.

The most important though putting this all aside is that Tan is bankrupting the club and the foolish fans are letting him, their eyes hypnotized by all his shiny gold. If anyone thinks he wants to hang about in Championship then they'll be a big surprise and the debts are unsustainable even with a fairly decent average attendance (22k last yr)

It's too late now he has fucked the club but he should be marched out, the fans own the club, the history, the future and not this utter prick - power and strength in unison, get this utter nobjockey out of English football.

blame malky who overspent on utter gash

You are deluded.

December 25 - Hull 18 pts played 17 games/ Cardiff 17 pts played 17.

By that time Mackay had been completely underminded and the club was in turmoil - on top of this the bonus scadal of early October certainly cost 3 points against Newcastle.

17 pts in before Christmas with a crazy fool of a chairman interfering, sacking staff and undermining team spirit by withdrawing agreed bonuses is a very credible start.

As for the squad additions - 17 pts in a new league, the aim is to be outside the drop zone i.e. survive and Malkay was well on his way toward that.

I think if you ask any neutral they would have said at the start of December that Cardiff would have stayed up where as now its doom and gloom only i'm afraid. The guy has bust the club.

As for Cornelius - I bet you a fiver he makes it as a top flight football star.

What other name do you post under

I stopped reading when you said we were the best of the promoted teams. Complete bollocks. Hull have been out performing us since the start of the season.

But all you have is opinions rather than facts - up to Xmas there is 1 point between both teams and one of those had good stability with a manager backed tot he hilt and the other crazy Tan's madhouse.

Anyhow neither are the best promoted team anymore - its now Crystal Palace which is just humiliating. Whilst on that topic and still with Tan the great - Ian Moody did pretty well for Pulis & Palace in the Jan transfer market - got all the players they went for, at good money and on decent wages yet supposedly we are led to believe by Tan that he was to blame for whatever happened in the summer transfer market with Cardiff.

I'm sorry but to back Tan is pure insanity - the more influence he wields at the club, the worst situation it finds itself in. He should be forced out of English football.

The only good thing Tan has done is get rid of milky mackay, fukin useless.

This man has ruined the club.

1. Huge debts.
2. Poor manager
3. Unsettled staff throughout club
4. Going down
5. If he walks away or stops financing then going bust.
6. Changed colours
7. Changed logo
8. Wouldnt think twice about changing name.

Malky Mackay & Ian Moody both did fine jobs for the club; the transfers may well have all worked out fine but nearly every club has bought players of which not all have settled well. It seems both are being judged on Cornelius but he hardly played, injury affected his start into the league and at 20 - was always a player to develop for the future. To expect all to hit ground running is a pipe dream. -Before Tan started acting like a c**t, the performances looked like that of the strongest of the promoted teams and pundits felt safety would be achieved.

The down fall of Mackay & Moody centred not around the transfer budget but about the bonus structure. If you recall Tan vetoed that, the players then barred him from changing room and 6 weeks later both men were out of their jobs and the slide was in full swing from the highest placed promoted team to slowly sinking into the bottom 3 and having Palace a team that spent next to nothing leap frog us and nick our technical director or whatever job title Moody had - they nearly nicked our manager too but in the end got the best manager available leaving us with crazy Tan's logic to get OGS who has no experience of PL managerial and certainly not life at the bottom - totally different to Man U.

Tan in desperation then went to the dressing room to try and re-offer the bonus structure he'd previously vetoed - how ridiculous and only to be told that it was illegal.

All that got us from Man U was Zaha who ultimately is Palace through and through and every week he must chuckle that one of their rival are going down.

The most important though putting this all aside is that Tan is bankrupting the club and the foolish fans are letting him, their eyes hypnotized by all his shiny gold. If anyone thinks he wants to hang about in Championship then they'll be a big surprise and the debts are unsustainable even with a fairly decent average attendance (22k last yr)

It's too late now he has fucked the club but he should be marched out, the fans own the club, the history, the future and not this utter prick - power and strength in unison, get this utter nobjockey out of English football.

blame malky who overspent on utter gash

You are deluded.

December 25 - Hull 18 pts played 17 games/ Cardiff 17 pts played 17.

By that time Mackay had been completely underminded and the club was in turmoil - on top of this the bonus scadal of early October certainly cost 3 points against Newcastle.

17 pts in before Christmas with a crazy fool of a chairman interfering, sacking staff and undermining team spirit by withdrawing agreed bonuses is a very credible start.

As for the squad additions - 17 pts in a new league, the aim is to be outside the drop zone i.e. survive and Malkay was well on his way toward that.

I think if you ask any neutral they would have said at the start of December that Cardiff would have stayed up where as now its doom and gloom only i'm afraid. The guy has bust the club.

As for Cornelius - I bet you a fiver he makes it as a top flight football star.

What other name do you post under

None Jinks - 1st thread - just feel enough is enough, the fans should unite against this maniac - its already too late, the club will go down, and the debts will become insurmountable - its shit hitting the fan time and if anyoen thinks Tan will stick around whilst everyones being covered in shit then ..... your as crzy as Tan.

This man has ruined the club.

1. Huge debts.

Fair enough
2. Poor manager

Both Ole and Malky have/were poor, yes
3. Unsettled staff throughout club

Proof?
4. Going down

That is Ole and Malky's fault
5. If he walks away or stops financing then going bust.

Yet you want him walked out
6. Changed colours

Fair enough
7. Changed logo

We've had many different badges over the years
8. Wouldnt think twice about changing name.

He wouldn't be allowed to anyway, have you not been following Hull?

Malky Mackay & Ian Moody both did fine jobs for the club; the transfers may well have all worked out fine but nearly every club has bought players of which not all have settled well. It seems both are being judged on Cornelius but he hardly played, injury affected his start into the league and at 20 - was always a player to develop for the future. To expect all to hit ground running is a pipe dream. -Before Tan started acting like a c**t, the performances looked like that of the strongest of the promoted teams and pundits felt safety would be achieved.

No they never, only one transfer has worked to an extent and that is Caulker. The rest have been wastes of money. Cornelius was given time by fans but he proved how bad he was. If he cost 2m and we signed a different first team striker I bet he'd have been given time, but he cost £8m and was awful. You expect goals from a striker who costs 8m regardless of their age. Also you have to be pretty naive to think that he is only being judged on Cornelius. Tan knows the position we are in and can see us losing every week and that is mostly down to Malky's awful signings. Also out of the 6 odd signings Malky made guess how many are still here? 3. With one being loaned out to a league 1 team after Malky praised him for being one of the best RB's in the football league, what went wrong there? Us shipping out MM's dross is indicative of how bad last summer was. Holy f**k what are you smoking? We were playing League 2 football and that is no hyperbole. Hull were out-performing us despite spending a fraction of what MM did and Palace who were awful and so far behind the rest of the league early on were only 2 points behind us when MM was sacked with Hull being two ahead. You do the maths

The down fall of Mackay & Moody centred not around the transfer budget but about the bonus structure. If you recall Tan vetoed that, the players then barred him from changing room and 6 weeks later both men were out of their jobs and the slide was in full swing from the highest placed promoted team to slowly sinking into the bottom 3 and having Palace a team that spent next to nothing leap frog us and nick our technical director or whatever job title Moody had - they nearly nicked our manager too but in the end got the best manager available leaving us with crazy Tan's logic to get OGS who has no experience of PL managerial and certainly not life at the bottom - totally different to Man U.

I hate seeing this, Ole has no PL experience but neither did Malky when we were promoted, did you want him sacked then for a more experienced head? No, so stop saying that.
Tan in desperation then went to the dressing room to try and re-offer the bonus structure he'd previously vetoed - how ridiculous and only to be told that it was illegal.

And it worked to an extent. We played a lot better at Spurs than we did the previous few weeks where we were trumped 3-0 and 4-0 by bottom half teams.
All that got us from Man U was Zaha who ultimately is Palace through and through and every week he must chuckle that one of their rival are going down.

Malky wanted Zaha too.
The most important though putting this all aside is that Tan is bankrupting the club and the foolish fans are letting him, their eyes hypnotized by all his shiny gold. If anyone thinks he wants to hang about in Championship then they'll be a big surprise and the debts are unsustainable even with a fairly decent average attendance (22k last yr)

Who is going to buy us in the Championship? We're in huge debts. It won't be easy for Tan to up and sell.
It's too late now he has fucked the club but he should be marched out, the fans own the club, the history, the future and not this utter prick - power and strength in unison, get this utter nobjockey out of English football.

I bet you are TheBlueWillRise. It is obvious

Can't believe people are falling for this pish!

Looks like a 12 yr old has got hold of his dads computer and password!! Bloody school hols!

llandaffbluebird1

I think the clue is in your name .... time to change it to llandaffdragon1 ? but heh we've had many badges.

llandaffbluebird1

I think the clue is in your name .... time to change it to llandaffdragon1 ? but heh we've had many badges.

Okay then. And yes we have. I have no problem with our badge, if the bluebird is removed then I will but it has changed multiple times over the years. If you've supported Cardiff longer than 1 season you'd know this.

llandaffbluebird1

I think the clue is in your name .... time to change it to llandaffdragon1 ? but heh we've had many badges.

Okay then. And yes we have. I have no problem with our badge, if the bluebird is removed then I will but it has changed multiple times over the years. If you've supported Cardiff longer than 1 season you'd know this.

Obviously a jack on a wind up.

llandaffbluebird1

I think the clue is in your name .... time to change it to llandaffdragon1 ? but heh we've had many badges.

Okay then. And yes we have. I have no problem with our badge, if the bluebird is removed then I will but it has changed multiple times over the years. If you've supported Cardiff longer than 1 season you'd know this.

Obviously a jack on a wind up.

Nah it's probably that moron TheBlueWillRise. He pops up every couple of weeks with the same style of posts.

So let's flip it on its head; give me reasons why Vincent Tan should stay or what he has done to improve the club.

The only thing I see is he influenced the promotion but Mackay was as if not more so here.

llandaffbluebird1

I think the clue is in your name .... time to change it to llandaffdragon1 ? but heh we've had many badges.

Okay then. And yes we have. I have no problem with our badge, if the bluebird is removed then I will but it has changed multiple times over the years. If you've supported Cardiff longer than 1 season you'd know this.

f**k me if this is your 1st season supporting Cardiff it would be a bleak outlook on life! Come on the badge is a joke the dragon is massive the bluebird is tiny, an after thought a insincere token gesture from Tan to the fans and history he holds in contempt.

"TheBlueWillRise" oh just saw this and no im not.

It doesnt really matter who I am though does it - the club is fucked - even if relegation is avoided and that would be an utter miracle the debts are huge, the contracts long, the wages huge and the manager is utter shite. So that means more than likely a new manager by next season, with a further expenditure and more debts. This model doesnt work and Tan doesnt have a clue he's like a big bully.

So let's flip it on its head; give me reasons why Vincent Tan should stay or what he has done to improve the club.

The only thing I see is he influenced the promotion but Mackay was as if not more so here.

Never said I wanted him to stay. Just pointing out your ridiculous points which you have failed to respond to.

"TheBlueWillRise" oh just saw this and no im not.

It doesnt really matter who I am though does it - the club is fucked - even if relegation is avoided and that would be an utter miracle the debts are huge, the contracts long, the wages huge and the manager is utter shite. So that means more than likely a new manager by next season, with a further expenditure and more debts. This model doesnt work and Tan doesnt have a clue he's like a big bully.

Post under your real account then

"TheBlueWillRise" oh just saw this and no im not.

It doesnt really matter who I am though does it - the club is fucked - even if relegation is avoided and that would be an utter miracle the debts are huge, the contracts long, the wages huge and the manager is utter shite. So that means more than likely a new manager by next season, with a further expenditure and more debts. This model doesnt work and Tan doesnt have a clue he's like a big bully.

Why you crying like a bitch about it, there's fucall any1 on here can do about it, go and have a drink in the sun you weird fuka.

Llandaff - seriously I havent got any other account here

Kenfig - I work in wine shop, I have a glass on the go, the sun is setting on the shop and im still at work as people need booze on bank holiday and this is passing the time. Not sure what your excuse for being here is.

What is the actual point in this post the night before a massive game? Just bringing up old rubbish yet again. I'm all for a debate but leave it until the final whistle has been blown in that Chelsea game. I'll do what I can to get the club I fell in love with back during the summer but I think dividing fans during our biggest period of the season is an utter shambles especially when we should all be together as one.

Please go and support another team then. You won't be missed.

So let's flip it on its head; give me reasons why Vincent Tan should stay or what he has done to improve the club.

The only thing I see is he influenced the promotion but Mackay was as if not more so here.

we won promotion having spent the second most in transfer market..and with the biggest wage bill..........Mackay didnt win promotion in his previous 3 seasons at championship level......i cant get my head around why he didnt..???????
and for the life of me can not figure how he dont have a job........its simple.....you appoint Malky he wins you promotion,its like A,B,C.

I stopped reading when you said we were the best of the promoted teams. Complete bollocks. Hull have been out performing us since the start of the season.

But all you have is opinions rather than facts - up to Xmas there is 1 point between both teams and one of those had good stability with a manager backed tot he hilt and the other crazy Tan's madhouse.

Anyhow neither are the best promoted team anymore - its now Crystal Palace which is just humiliating. Whilst on that topic and still with Tan the great - Ian Moody did pretty well for Pulis & Palace in the Jan transfer market - got all the players they went for, at good money and on decent wages yet supposedly we are led to believe by Tan that he was to blame for whatever happened in the summer transfer market with Cardiff.

I'm sorry but to back Tan is pure insanity - the more influence he wields at the club, the worst situation it finds itself in. He should be forced out of English football.

Why did Moody not find us these players when Malky had a budget of 35 million then? Also Hull were always ahead. Hull City Tigers says to me it wasn't all a happy ship there in general. If Assam let Bruce go about his business it was because of the better job he did preparing a side for the Premiership with a lot less money.

Llandaff

since you asked.

1. Huge debts. - Fair enough - good you agree
2. Poor manager
Both Ole and Malky have/were poor, yes
This is about Tan not Mackay - Tan brought OGS - what a moronic decision - bring a noob into a EPL dogfight. If we are talking about Mackay - which this thread isnt about - he'll be employed by a big club as soon as the court case is finished and he'll succeed there.

3. Unsettled staff throughout club
Proof? Well 4 now have been sacked and 1 player has been labeled as a leak. Sounds f*cking rosy.

4. Going down
That is Ole and Malky's fault - no Mackay wouldnt have taken the club down. If he had been supported fully and unreservedly the club would be mid table. Their performances at the start of the season were good. It also isnt OGS fault - he is far too inexperienced and unprepared for EPL in management. Being a great start in Scandinvia doesnt mean shit - f**k after Cornelius you think Tan would have learnt.

5. If he walks away or stops financing then going bust.
Yet you want him walked out - yep hes a c**t of the highest order and should f**k off out of EPL. The damage is done but it wont stop. Hes a maniac.

6. Changed colours
Fair enough

7. Changed logo
We've had many different badges over the years - Er wasnt talking about precise badges - im not a historian but hasnt the club been the bluebirds since the 40s with no change until Tan decided to try and make the club the dragons - along with some bullshit about it being the Welsh emblem - the clubs Cardiff City FC not Welsh national FC.

8. Wouldnt think twice about changing name.
He wouldn't be allowed to anyway, have you not been following Hull? - not my point - he would do it in a heartbeat.

As for the other points.

It takes time with transfers and support. So easy for fans to expect spend = instant returns but it doesn't - look away from cardiff and to Man City - they most likely will come 3rd this season. Have they played poorly - no - its just a difficult league and real progress is slow and takes time.

Mackay would have been fine - it may well be that he over spent but Tan, as the buck stops guy, should have taken responsibility and put more stringent constraints in Jan and next season and ironed it out.

This whole situation is about the huge argument in October - its all spiralled since then.

Biggest mistake Tan has made this season was not sacking Malky before it started..........you only had to watch last year to figure out he was already stretched to his limits..

What is the actual point in this post the night before a massive game? Just bringing up old rubbish yet again. I'm all for a debate but leave it until the final whistle has been blown in that Chelsea game. I'll do what I can to get the club I fell in love with back during the summer but I think dividing fans during our biggest period of the season is an utter shambles especially when we should all be together as one.

I agree fans shouldnt be divided - they should unite to remove Tan and get the club back to bluebirds, Cardiff City FC - sure the club will be in Championship probably in administration with a 10 pt fine but at least it could make progress.

Biggest mistake Tan has made this season was not sacking Malky before it started..........you only had to watch last year to figure out he was already stretched to his limits..

Winning the Championship is very difficult, f**k getting promoted at all is very difficult. You seem to think its just about spend and achieve. For any manager to wine promotion at any level is a huge achievement; most clubs dont.

Tan has ruined the club. Yet he takes no responsibility, he passes blame to his managers, his players and more .... slowly OGS will get the brunt and more players will be shipped in and out.