How to get a Council House on Channel 4 right now

f*cking hell this one single mother of 4 who is in her 20s is getting over £750 per week before the benefit cap!!!

f*cking disgraceful. I wouldn't give them f**k all. GET A JOB.

Thanks to policies supported by browny, we have f**k all social housing left, the right to buy and subsequent governments ideology in not building new social housing has left the social housing stock at virtually nil

Get a f*cking job they should rather than complaining

That's your measured response is it.

You only seem to come on here to bleat on about your pathetic fascist views and politics, why dont you just write letters to the daily mail instead?

As per usual supporters of the left have their head in the sand when it comes to what's really happening out there

Another TV show that seems specifically tailored for Daily Mail readers. Yet again they find the worst cases and present them as the norm to enrage people. Vile television that I wish people would stop watching so they would stop making it!

Thanks to policies supported by browny, we have f**k all social housing left, the right to buy and subsequent governments ideology in not building new social housing has left the social housing stock at virtually nil

It goes back a lot further than Brown. The lack of social housing can be attributed to, as far back as Thatcher. It was then the right to buy scheme was introduced and new no meaningful amount of social housing has been constructed by the councils or government since. The government now relies on housing associations and Section 106 obligations from house builders.

Just a quick point that I expect most of you to totally ignore. The majority of people on benefits or in social housing are actually in work. So this "get a job" crap that you all spout only actually applies to a minority. But of course, you won't let that get in the way of your hateful comments.

Just a quick point that I expect most of you to totally ignore. The majority of people on benefits or in social housing are actually in work. So this "get a job" crap that you all spout only actually applies to a minority. But of course, you won't let that get in the way of your hateful comments.

Get a job

Just a quick point that I expect most of you to totally ignore. The majority of people on benefits or in social housing are actually in work. So this "get a job" crap that you all spout only actually applies to a minority. But of course, you won't let that get in the way of your hateful comments.

Get a job

I don't care if they don't want to get a job. Just don't give people who have never worked and don't want to work, and breed like rabbits 3 and four bedroomed houses.

Thanks to policies supported by browny, we have f**k all social housing left, the right to buy and subsequent governments ideology in not building new social housing has left the social housing stock at virtually nil

It goes back a lot further than Brown. The lack of social housing can be attributed to, as far back as Thatcher. It was then the right to buy scheme was introduced and new no meaningful amount of social housing has been constructed by the councils or government since. The government now relies on housing associations and Section 106 obligations from house builders.

The left always bangs on about the 'right to buy' for the reason about housing stocks even through it helped improve the lives of millions. However that completely deflects away from the real main issue which is uncontrolled immigration which was.... yes you guessed it done by a left wing government!!!!!

How the hell were you going to be a politician

How the hell were you going to be a politician

what are you telling me that immigration boom has f**k all to do with the lack of social housing in the country these days then..?

A very small minority on welfare are defrauding the system in the grand scheme of things.

2.1% is overpaid due to errors with the system and fraud and of that 0.7% is overpaid due to fraud. That's less than 1% and a system will never be 100% fool proof and only an idiot would think it would be because there are always loopholes with systems as people like to bend the law/rules to their favour for maximum independent gain.

Also Brownie, you claim to be a workaholic and of that I wont deny given your post history and what I know about you but you must be aware that you've benefited massively from a capitalist system. In a capitalist system you will always have those who rise to the top, those in the middle and those at the bottom because that's how the system works. There's a ladder, few people climb it and a lot of others are fighting at the bottom to grab the opportunity to do so. When you have that competition at the bottom some people give up hope that they will ever make it because the capitalist system in place has not only led them to feel worthless but ask, 'what's the point?'.

If you want people to feel valued in society then you must pay them a decent living wage and you must make them feel valued and feel that their contribution is valued. That positivity breeds more positivity which encourages spending of a fairer salary and helps boost the economy. If you want people to feel valued and want them to not feel like they're oppressed at the bottom then vote for a socialist party that puts people before profits. You being someone with his own company wont do that though because you benefit from a capitalist state and of course want to maximise your own profits due to self interest. Lets not pretend that's not the case. If you're not going to influence change then you have no right to moan.

Capitalism doesn't work well and never has, other than for a few at the top. Those at the top are loving it, creaming it and maximising all the profits whilst us idiots pay inflated gas and electric bills and high taxes that they often workaround due to being able to pay highly qualified legal professionals money to ensure they pay a minimal tax rate etc. Then you have the bankers paying themselves massive bonuses purely out of selfishness and greed, another two traits capitalism fuels, whilst also adding to a broken society. Let me ask you, how often do you speak to the people in your street? very rarely I suspect as is the case with most in the UK now due to the self centric ways of living capitalism breeds. Capitalism works for those at the top and those fortunate to get on the ladder and make it. Those who do often forget where they come from and are often blissfully unaware of how they've benefited from a capitalist state.

Oh, and as someone who will be voting for socialists I expect your retort to include some tripe about Stalinism and how it was bad because people like to argue the extremes all the time to try and back up their point. You'll also go down the loon route because that's how you view those on the left. We all know what you're going to come out with to be honest.

The London Riots were nothing more than an obvious backlash by a forgotten underclass who were acting out to an upper class who simply refuse to listen and a politically elite class who cater to those at the top to the level whereby they allow them massive tax relief's. Its no different to how Wall St. has major influence when it comes to the Senate and we all know, having studied the history of America, the LA race riots, the rife drugs and gang culture in some areas such as Chicago and California that when you forget people and make them feel worthless and as if they're outcasts they will act out.

So next time you decide to moan and lash out, ask yourself, 'what am I doing to help enforce change?', and I highly suspect the answer will be nothing. Yes you provide others with work but they still earn a pittance in comparison to you and they still are stuck at the bottom of an unequal system that caters to an elite upper class. Oh, and the Daily Mail and other rags are of course going to have political affiliations because who do you think owns them? Of course, the very people who are part of that elite upperclass and plonkers like you buy into their scaremongering. Why do you think so many papers are supporting UKIP now? Its because they want red tape and EU regulation slashed and a flat tax rate of 30%. Its all in their interests and no one else's. Only a fool would think otherwise.

Capitalisum has its faults but its the best system as it gives everyone an opportunity to make the most out of life. If you want to work hard for a better life than you can,if you want to work for yourself you can. Unfortunately people who claim that the system only works for a few know deep down that its incorrect and I'm sure each of them will know of many examples of people who may have come from a working class area but through pure hard work now have a lifestyle which others dream of.

However going through your rant its interesting that you seem to know abit about my background yet you don't know that Ive actually lived in Communist state (Vietnam) for a while and that was way before it become a holiday destination so my real life experience of living there far outweighs the dream of a socialist whos living in a capitalist world. The bottom line is that its human nature to want the best in life and not to listen to constant instructions from government of how to life your life, what food you can buy, what clothes you can wear and so on. Believe me living in thsat kind of enviroment isn't as good as many on the left make it out to be.

Regarding the London riots you mention that it was the 'forgotten underclass' yet you forget that many of the youngsters who took part and convicted were actually from upper or middle class families.

You mention UKIP and its well documented my issues with them but what many don't know is that the actually first £12,000 to be tax free was actually a UKIP idea and not a Lib Dem idea and the 30% is after that. You also mention newspapers then they all are affiliated to political parties even including other very own South Wales Echo so nothing new there and even in the Socialist/Communist states they are on another level of political messages than what we have in the UK.

So all in all your rant will be seen as very informative to many on here but there are flaws throughout it and these are just a few pointers to help you out.

Capitalisum has its faults but its the best system as it gives everyone an opportunity to make the most out of life. If you want to work hard for a better life than you can,if you want to work for yourself you can. Unfortunately people who claim that the system only works for a few know deep down that its incorrect and I'm sure each of them will know of many examples of people who may have come from a working class area but through pure hard work now have a lifestyle which others dream of.

Thats not true though Brownie. Not everyone gets a chance to make it. What about the disabled who cant work yet are having their benefits squeezed and their life made a misery of because of all the holes they have to jump through? What about those with mental conditions who have unseen disabilities that are refused help because they dont pass the test? I know very well how people can benefit from a capitalist state as my father is one of them and he's also put in a lot of hard work like yourself but there comes a point in life where you must realise that does not benefit everyone and that saying 'work hard and you've got a shot' isn't actually true because there are some people who work hard and are still living just above the poverty line. Even harder when the fiscal system is reluctant to give people business loans and give them a chance to get on the ladder. Even harder again when the property market is swallowed up by people who already own houses rather than first time buyers because they lack the funds to get into the property market.

However going through your rant its interesting that you seem to know abit about my background yet you don't know that Ive actually lived in Communist state (Vietnam) for a while and that was way before it become a holiday destination so my real life experience of living there far outweighs the dream of a socialist whos living in a capitalist world. The bottom line is that its human nature to want the best in life and not to listen to constant instructions from government of how to life your life, what food you can buy, what clothes you can wear and so on. Believe me living in thsat kind of enviroment isn't as good as many on the left make it out to be.

So you use an extreme form of communism, to support your argument about lefties. I knew it and predicted it. That is not true socialism and you know it. There's never been true communism because of the way its set up often results in tyranny/dictatorships. Any example you can use from Stalinism and so on is an extreme example. There's never been pure communism.

Communism is an economic policy and is not to do with liberty. Thats an entirely different aspect of spectrum and is more in regards to politics, as im sure you're aware having had a career in the field. The reason most communist states have failed is because of capitalist people have overthrown/got into power and have forgotten those lower down again. A true communist state requires everyone, including politicians and those at the top, to buy into the notion that people come first. If you dont have that mindset instilled through education then its doomed to fail.

Regarding the London riots you mention that it was the 'forgotten underclass' yet you forget that many of the youngsters who took part and convicted were actually from upper or middle class families.

Many upper class children don't get help from parents or mix with lower classes because that's what happens in a broken society Adam. You can go to a private school but unless you enforce segregation you cant pick and choose what goes on outside of that school and kids of all backgrounds mix with one another and become friends and so on. A lot of upper class children also get schooled and fail to get jobs because of the mass competition in the country and therefore also act out due to wanting a voice, as was the case with the student protests. The middle class in the UK is also pretty much a lower-middle class - most of them have parents who work in the public or private sector earning wages that contribute to what's considered a middle class salary (although salary alone doesn't dictate class) and also many of them still grow up in state schools mixing with others. You will also see the resentment between public and private schooled children often and this again is due to a capitalist system where profits come before people.

You mention UKIP and its well documented my issues with them but what many don't know is that the actually first £12,000 to be tax free was actually a UKIP idea and not a Lib Dem idea and the 30% is after that.

It doesn't really matter because the 30% flat tax rate is an abomination that will ensure those at the top benefit. UKIP have sold the dream to many working class people who are disillusioned (quite rightly) with an out of touch political elite living away with the fairies and they've capitalised on them. That still doesn't detract from the fact that many of their policies, especially their economic policies, cater to those on the right.

You also mention newspapers then they all are affiliated to political parties even including other very own South Wales Echo so nothing new there and even in the Socialist/Communist states they are on another level of political messages than what we have in the UK.

Very true and I agree but it does depend on how far regulation of the media has gone.

A very small minority on welfare are defrauding the system in the grand scheme of things.

2.1% is overpaid due to errors with the system and fraud and of that 0.7% is overpaid due to fraud. That's less than 1% and a system will never be 100% fool proof and only an idiot would think it would be because there are always loopholes with systems as people like to bend the law/rules to their favour for maximum independent gain.

Also Brownie, you claim to be a workaholic and of that I wont deny given your post history and what I know about you but you must be aware that you've benefited massively from a capitalist system. In a capitalist system you will always have those who rise to the top, those in the middle and those at the bottom because that's how the system works. There's a ladder, few people climb it and a lot of others are fighting at the bottom to grab the opportunity to do so. When you have that competition at the bottom some people give up hope that they will ever make it because the capitalist system in place has not only led them to feel worthless but ask, 'what's the point?'.

If you want people to feel valued in society then you must pay them a decent living wage and you must make them feel valued and feel that their contribution is valued. That positivity breeds more positivity which encourages spending of a fairer salary and helps boost the economy. If you want people to feel valued and want them to not feel like they're oppressed at the bottom then vote for a socialist party that puts people before profits. You being someone with his own company wont do that though because you benefit from a capitalist state and of course want to maximise your own profits due to self interest. Lets not pretend that's not the case. If you're not going to influence change then you have no right to moan.

Capitalism doesn't work well and never has, other than for a few at the top. Those at the top are loving it, creaming it and maximising all the profits whilst us idiots pay inflated gas and electric bills and high taxes that they often workaround due to being able to pay highly qualified legal professionals money to ensure they pay a minimal tax rate etc. Then you have the bankers paying themselves massive bonuses purely out of selfishness and greed, another two traits capitalism fuels, whilst also adding to a broken society. Let me ask you, how often do you speak to the people in your street? very rarely I suspect as is the case with most in the UK now due to the self centric ways of living capitalism breeds. Capitalism works for those at the top and those fortunate to get on the ladder and make it. Those who do often forget where they come from and are often blissfully unaware of how they've benefited from a capitalist state.

Oh, and as someone who will be voting for socialists I expect your retort to include some tripe about Stalinism and how it was bad because people like to argue the extremes all the time to try and back up their point. You'll also go down the loon route because that's how you view those on the left. We all know what you're going to come out with to be honest.

The London Riots were nothing more than an obvious backlash by a forgotten underclass who were acting out to an upper class who simply refuse to listen and a politically elite class who cater to those at the top to the level whereby they allow them massive tax relief's. Its no different to how Wall St. has major influence when it comes to the Senate and we all know, having studied the history of America, the LA race riots, the rife drugs and gang culture in some areas such as Chicago and California that when you forget people and make them feel worthless and as if they're outcasts they will act out.

So next time you decide to moan and lash out, ask yourself, 'what am I doing to help enforce change?', and I highly suspect the answer will be nothing. Yes you provide others with work but they still earn a pittance in comparison to you and they still are stuck at the bottom of an unequal system that caters to an elite upper class. Oh, and the Daily Mail and other rags are of course going to have political affiliations because who do you think owns them? Of course, the very people who are part of that elite upperclass and plonkers like you buy into their scaremongering. Why do you think so many papers are supporting UKIP now? Its because they want red tape and EU regulation slashed and a flat tax rate of 30%. Its all in their interests and no one else's. Only a fool would think otherwise.

If you believe the stats regarding benefit fraud, then you are a mug!

By the very nature of the benefits fraud, masses of claimants are being dishonest about their claims. The DWP do not have the resources to fully investigate all claims and so the figures can not be accurate.

Even if it is just a person claiming to be single parent living alone but is co-habiting with a partner with a good income(which is rife) that is fraud?

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If you believe the stats regarding benefit fraud, then you are a mug!

I dont but the figures are closer to the real ones than any scaremongering idiot would have you believe.

By the very nature of the benefits fraud, masses of claimants are being dishonest about their claims.

Based on what evidence? Scaremongering bigots down the pub or the DM?

The DWP do not have the resources to fully investigate all claims and so the figures can not be accurate.

Yet you just claimed masses of them are being dishonest.......if they dont have the resources then how the hell have you got them?

Even if it is just a person claiming to be single parent living alone but is co-habiting with a partner with a good income(which is rife) that is fraud?
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Yes. No system will ever be perfect. Anyone with a grasp of sense would understand that whether its software system that has bugs or exploits that need patching or a political system etc...

Feck me I thort I was logging onto a CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB message board. Politics has its place on political message boards. I wonder if the Labour/ Tory/ UKIP/ Marxist/ Liberal/ forums are full of the Keep Cardiff Blue campaign? I highly fecking doubt it!

If you believe the stats regarding benefit fraud, then you are a mug!

I dont but the figures are closer to the real ones than any scaremongering idiot would have you believe.

By the very nature of the benefits fraud, masses of claimants are being dishonest about their claims.

Based on what evidence? Scaremongering bigots down the pub or the DM?

The DWP do not have the resources to fully investigate all claims and so the figures can not be accurate.

Yet you just claimed masses of them are being dishonest.......if they dont have the resources then how the hell have you got them?

The evidence is from the experience I get from my work and my observations. The many I know in my area can be multiplied by thousands UK wide.

Even if it is just a person claiming to be single parent living alone but is co-habiting with a partner with a good income(which is rife) that is fraud?
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Yes. No system will ever be perfect. Anyone with a grasp of sense would understand that whether its software system that has bugs or exploits that need patching or a political system etc...