Jones or Campbell against Stoke?

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With stoke being a big physical team who would you play?

i Know Jones hasnt been great but maybe this might be him with a point to prove wanting to batter stoke and get on the score sheet.

Or would you play both of them?

wouldnt play Jones in my pub side.

wouldnt play Jones in my pub side.

Now now...let's not be all nasty and negative sonny. I'd play Campbell and utilise Kenwyne off the bench (now that's a little more constructive)

wouldnt play Jones in my pub side.

Now now...let's not be all nasty and negative sonny. I'd play Campbell and utilise Kenwyne off the bench (now that's a little more constructive)

except i wouldn't.... Sonny

wouldnt play Jones in my pub side.

Now now...let's not be all nasty and negative sonny. I'd play Campbell and utilise Kenwyne off the bench (now that's a little more constructive)

Agree with this (depending on the score). If we need a goal then bring him on, if not then keep Fraizer on for his closing down.

With stoke being a big physical team who would you play?

i Know Jones hasnt been great but maybe this might be him with a point to prove wanting to batter stoke and get on the score sheet.

Or would you play both of them?

Bring Jones on for the last 15 mins or so, might just do a job for us

Campbell he works so much harder for the team

i'd rather see him bring turner on up top for the last ten!

would you consider pushing cala upfront with mutch...

With stoke being a big physical team who would you play?

i Know Jones hasnt been great but maybe this might be him with a point to prove wanting to batter stoke and get on the score sheet.

Or would you play both of them?

Seriously Jones looks as though his shorts are restricting his movement, he looks about as mobile as a f**king shire horse.

Mutch as a False 9 with Caulker as a False 10 behind him.

Inverted winger with Zaha on the left and wide target man with Jone on the right.

Cowie and Gunnarson in the centre.

Fabio at Left Back, John at Right Back

Turner Sweeper behind Medel at Half Back.

Cala as Sweeper Keeper

What about marshall as backie in goalie

Jones will have something to prove v stoke. I'd go with Campbell though.

Jones will have something to prove v stoke. I'd go with Campbell though.

It went so well when we sent Zaha to prove himself against Palace

Jones will have something to prove v stoke. I'd go with Campbell though.

Campbell with Zaha just in behind like last Saturday, Zaha was in a free role as such and caused problems when he came on

Jones is best used for away games where you need a striker that can hold up the ball (which Campbell isn't very good at). So I'd say campbell for this one and jones for the away games with campbell on one of the wings.

So hilarious how Kenwyne Jones is a target man yet people expect him to be burning defenders for pace, you swear our supporters actually have no understanding of Football.

It must have been a joy to be KTC on Saturday, hitting aimless balls down the line with Campbell running his nuts off to get on the end of them. Every aimless ball KTC played down the line looked a good ball actually as Campbell made something of them by getting on the end of them every time. The weight of KTC's balls down the line were very good mind, but Kenwyne Jones could never give us the outlet Campbell did on Saturday. If Campbell gets injured, we are screwed. People need to realise how lucky we are to have Campbell.

If ever there was a game for Jones to be up for it is this one,has a point to prove with the fine he got before he left Stoke.

Having said that,if we are going with just 1 up top - it has to be Campbell .

Jones will have something to prove v stoke. I'd go with Campbell though.

It went so well when we sent Zaha to prove himself against Palace

Zaha likes Palace though, I don't think Jones likes stoke.

Campbell all day. Don't go along with the theory of matching their physicality. Would rather a striker not giving their defenders any time on the ball. Jones on the bench if it's not working out.

Mental that some think Jones should be an option. In terms of being able to play a football he is miles behind Campbell, in shooting, passing, work rate, speed, fitness. I really wouldn't play him just because he's taller, we mainly use height from set pieces in which our 2 centre backs will come forward anyway.

Mental that some think Jones should be an option. In terms of being able to play a football he is miles behind Campbell, in shooting, passing, work rate, speed, fitness. I really wouldn't play him just because he's taller, we mainly use height from set pieces in which our 2 centre backs will come forward anyway.

Speed and fitness? You really comparing them both for that? Kenywne Jones is a target man your not exactly supposed to be gifted for speed and fitness as your a larger weight and more beef.

Mental that some think Jones should be an option. In terms of being able to play a football he is miles behind Campbell, in shooting, passing, work rate, speed, fitness. I really wouldn't play him just because he's taller, we mainly use height from set pieces in which our 2 centre backs will come forward anyway.

Speed and fitness? You really comparing them both for that? Kenywne Jones is a target man your not exactly supposed to be gifted for speed and fitness as your a larger weight and more beef.

It's a general comparison between two footballers. It actually to be faster/fitter when larger too. Alright then lets look at what Campbell is better than Jones at then. Better touch, better finishing, better at running with the ball, his work rate means he might actually put a tackle in, better movement to get in positions to actually have the ball as well as being fitter and faster which is crucial for our team. Now Jones is taller so can potentially win more headers, stronger but what else? You can't really say he's a better header of the ball, tallness doesn't mean that and Campbell chips in with headers.

Just a few reasons Campbell should play and not Jones but you may think just having a lump up front can work well.

Mental that some think Jones should be an option. In terms of being able to play a football he is miles behind Campbell, in shooting, passing, work rate, speed, fitness. I really wouldn't play him just because he's taller, we mainly use height from set pieces in which our 2 centre backs will come forward anyway.

Speed and fitness? You really comparing them both for that? Kenywne Jones is a target man your not exactly supposed to be gifted for speed and fitness as your a larger weight and more beef.

It's a general comparison between two footballers. It actually to be faster/fitter when larger too. Alright then lets look at what Campbell is better than Jones at then. Better touch, better finishing, better at running with the ball, his work rate means he might actually put a tackle in, better movement to get in positions to actually have the ball as well as being fitter and faster which is crucial for our team. Now Jones is taller so can potentially win more headers, stronger but what else? You can't really say he's a better header of the ball, tallness doesn't mean that and Campbell chips in with headers.

Just a few reasons Campbell should play and not Jones but you may think just having a lump up front can work well.

Nothing against Campbell, I prefer Campbell but how the f**k is it fair to make a comparison from a pacey striker to a target man, they have complete different attributes, Jones is someone who holds the ball up and wins balls in the air, adds strength.

Better finishing? Campbell isn't exactly the most gifted finisher and his conversion rate isn't the best for the chances he has. PSG play a lump of top in Zlatan? Ain't comparing Jones to him but PSG seem to be fine with it.

Mental that some think Jones should be an option. In terms of being able to play a football he is miles behind Campbell, in shooting, passing, work rate, speed, fitness. I really wouldn't play him just because he's taller, we mainly use height from set pieces in which our 2 centre backs will come forward anyway.

Speed and fitness? You really comparing them both for that? Kenywne Jones is a target man your not exactly supposed to be gifted for speed and fitness as your a larger weight and more beef.

It's a general comparison between two footballers. It actually to be faster/fitter when larger too. Alright then lets look at what Campbell is better than Jones at then. Better touch, better finishing, better at running with the ball, his work rate means he might actually put a tackle in, better movement to get in positions to actually have the ball as well as being fitter and faster which is crucial for our team. Now Jones is taller so can potentially win more headers, stronger but what else? You can't really say he's a better header of the ball, tallness doesn't mean that and Campbell chips in with headers.

Just a few reasons Campbell should play and not Jones but you may think just having a lump up front can work well.

Nothing against Campbell, I prefer Campbell but how the f**k is it fair to make a comparison from a pacey striker to a target man, they have complete different attributes, Jones is someone who holds the ball up and wins balls in the air, adds strength.

Better finishing? Campbell isn't exactly the most gifted finisher and his conversion rate isn't the best for the chances he has. PSG play a lump of top in Zlatan? Ain't comparing Jones to him but PSG seem to be fine with it.

Zlatan? You picked the best 'lump' in the world to make a point, bloody hell. He can do basically do everything so bad choice there.

I'm not saying Campbell is a great finisher I am saying he's better than Jones, more so that he can create the chances or move into the right position. You will never see Jones peel off a defender to go to the back post to tap it in, he'll just wait for a floated cross to head it. I was pointing at being fast as that adds more to our game and just because Jones is strong doesn't mean he wins the battles much, not nearly enough in fact. Mentally he's not up to it, no aggression, fight or will to win the ball and terrible work rate, so all in all Campbell is a better team player and better for us. If you can't see that then you really haven't got a clue. Jones can be 'useful' at times but probably on playing alongside another striker not on his own. This would work best with Jones flicking the ball on to Campbell's runs behind the defence and can be an option later in games.

Mental that some think Jones should be an option. In terms of being able to play a football he is miles behind Campbell, in shooting, passing, work rate, speed, fitness. I really wouldn't play him just because he's taller, we mainly use height from set pieces in which our 2 centre backs will come forward anyway.

Speed and fitness? You really comparing them both for that? Kenywne Jones is a target man your not exactly supposed to be gifted for speed and fitness as your a larger weight and more beef.

It's a general comparison between two footballers. It actually to be faster/fitter when larger too. Alright then lets look at what Campbell is better than Jones at then. Better touch, better finishing, better at running with the ball, his work rate means he might actually put a tackle in, better movement to get in positions to actually have the ball as well as being fitter and faster which is crucial for our team. Now Jones is taller so can potentially win more headers, stronger but what else? You can't really say he's a better header of the ball, tallness doesn't mean that and Campbell chips in with headers.

Just a few reasons Campbell should play and not Jones but you may think just having a lump up front can work well.

Nothing against Campbell, I prefer Campbell but how the f**k is it fair to make a comparison from a pacey striker to a target man, they have complete different attributes, Jones is someone who holds the ball up and wins balls in the air, adds strength.

Better finishing? Campbell isn't exactly the most gifted finisher and his conversion rate isn't the best for the chances he has. PSG play a lump of top in Zlatan? Ain't comparing Jones to him but PSG seem to be fine with it.

Zlatan? You picked the best 'lump' in the world to make a point, bloody hell. He can do basically do everything so bad choice there.

I'm not saying Campbell is a great finisher I am saying he's better than Jones, more so that he can create the chances or move into the right position. You will never see Jones peel off a defender to go to the back post to tap it in, he'll just wait for a floated cross to head it. I was pointing at being fast as that adds more to our game and just because Jones is strong doesn't mean he wins the battles much, not nearly enough in fact. Mentally he's not up to it, no aggression, fight or will to win the ball and terrible work rate, so all in all Campbell is a better team player and better for us. If you can't see that then you really haven't got a clue. Jones can be 'useful' at times but probably on playing alongside another striker not on his own. This would work best with Jones flicking the ball on to Campbell's runs behind the defence and can be an option later in games.

Jones isn't that type of striker to go to the back post and tap it in.

He waits for the floated cross to head it because that's what target men do.

He does win battles and not nearly enough? He wins most of his aerial duels and this is fact. He is agressive and he always fights to win the ball in the air, target men ain't known for work rate do you know anything about Football? I ain't denying Campbell is better but to compare both of them against each other then your delusional.

Mental that some think Jones should be an option. In terms of being able to play a football he is miles behind Campbell, in shooting, passing, work rate, speed, fitness. I really wouldn't play him just because he's taller, we mainly use height from set pieces in which our 2 centre backs will come forward anyway.

Speed and fitness? You really comparing them both for that? Kenywne Jones is a target man your not exactly supposed to be gifted for speed and fitness as your a larger weight and more beef.

It's a general comparison between two footballers. It actually to be faster/fitter when larger too. Alright then lets look at what Campbell is better than Jones at then. Better touch, better finishing, better at running with the ball, his work rate means he might actually put a tackle in, better movement to get in positions to actually have the ball as well as being fitter and faster which is crucial for our team. Now Jones is taller so can potentially win more headers, stronger but what else? You can't really say he's a better header of the ball, tallness doesn't mean that and Campbell chips in with headers.

Just a few reasons Campbell should play and not Jones but you may think just having a lump up front can work well.

Nothing against Campbell, I prefer Campbell but how the f**k is it fair to make a comparison from a pacey striker to a target man, they have complete different attributes, Jones is someone who holds the ball up and wins balls in the air, adds strength.

Better finishing? Campbell isn't exactly the most gifted finisher and his conversion rate isn't the best for the chances he has. PSG play a lump of top in Zlatan? Ain't comparing Jones to him but PSG seem to be fine with it.

Zlatan? You picked the best 'lump' in the world to make a point, bloody hell. He can do basically do everything so bad choice there.

I'm not saying Campbell is a great finisher I am saying he's better than Jones, more so that he can create the chances or move into the right position. You will never see Jones peel off a defender to go to the back post to tap it in, he'll just wait for a floated cross to head it. I was pointing at being fast as that adds more to our game and just because Jones is strong doesn't mean he wins the battles much, not nearly enough in fact. Mentally he's not up to it, no aggression, fight or will to win the ball and terrible work rate, so all in all Campbell is a better team player and better for us. If you can't see that then you really haven't got a clue. Jones can be 'useful' at times but probably on playing alongside another striker not on his own. This would work best with Jones flicking the ball on to Campbell's runs behind the defence and can be an option later in games.

Jones isn't that type of striker to go to the back post and tap it in.

He waits for the floated cross to head it because that's what target men do.

He does win battles and not nearly enough? He wins most of his aerial duels and this is fact. He is agressive and he always fights to win the ball in the air, target men ain't known for work rate do you know anything about Football? I ain't denying Campbell is better but to compare both of them against each other then your delusional.

Yeah I play it every week and watch it nearly every day. What what your saying or wanting would mean players are extremely one dimensional in that that's ALL they offer is for what type of player they are. If you think he's aggressive you must be the biggest fanny around. You have to compare footballers that the whole point of deciding who is better and who should play or not. They both play in attack so comparing what each player offers and what would be more beneficial for the team is obvious, 'do you know anything about football?' What wouldn't make sense would be saying Campbell is better at finishing than Caulker so should play or Turner is better at tackling than Campbell so should play. They're actually different positions, comparing two players who play in attack and what 1 offers and not the other is perfectly fine, 'do you know anything about football?'

So against Palace he won 25% of aerials, against shitty Fulham he only won 55% aerials, 58% v Hull, 53% v Villa, 64% v the jacks, and 60% v Norwich. For such a 'big and strong' guy that is shite and nearly enough. Some of them he'll have no one challenging him, be up against a small player and still it's that low. Out of them games alone Caulker's aerial wins are 80, 100, 62, 88, 75, 60 in % that's how a big strong lad should be doing. So can literally only play as a target man and can't even do that well yet you think he has much to offer. Just WATCH him properly next time yeah.