Fao Natman

I honestly believe if Tans advisors had some balls and those who work within our club, Tan would actually listen.

I chatted to Tan for 3hrs and he respected me and listened, but was later told I was only 10% of the fans who believed in BLUE.

The problem for them is now if we went back BLUE and Tan became say liked or even a hero, Tan would then believe he was then originally ill advised, even though he wasnt, they just arse licked him, I believe Tan would then sack them all.

Just my strong opinion


As to not liking Tan, its because he takes the mick out of our identity and has made us a laughing circus.

Tan has not also stuck to his promise nearly 2 years ago to change the debt which is 90% his own making in to equity.
When he does that a lot of fans will at least feel relieved including myself and dare I say you Nat



As to Ole, I feel for him and I just believe he is out of his depth at this current moment.

Good luck to him next season, we should all give him a chance

I honestly believe if Tans advisors had some balls and those who work within our club, Tan would actually listen.

I chatted to Tan for 3hrs and he respected me and listened, but was later told I was only 10% of the fans who believed in BLUE.

The problem for them is now if we went back BLUE and Tan became say liked or even a hero, Tan would then believe he was then originally ill advised, even though he wasnt, they just arse licked him, I believe Tan would then sack them all.

Just my strong opinion


As to not liking Tan, its because he takes the mick out of our identity and has made us a laughing circus.

Tan has not also stuck to his promise nearly 2 years ago to change the debt which is 90% his own making in to equity.
When he does that a lot of fans will at least feel relieved including myself and dare I say you Nat


As to Ole, I feel for him and I just believe he is out of his depth at this current moment.

Good luck to him next season, we should all give him a chance

Annis, that seems at complete odds with the other stuff you've been putting out about Tan the last few years. From your stance now, it is as if you're almost saying he is an innocent victim. he made a bold move to change our colour (for whatever reason, could say a bold business decision) but has been given further bad advice which has not allowed him to be informed enough to change it back. Whereas before you've always used quite abrasive language when describing him!

I will breath a lot easier too once the debt to equity has occurred. but as in my post the other night, you can't say he hasn't stuck to his promise (or as previous, called him a liar). He will only break his promise if he doesn't complete it by the time he comes to leave the club. That's my view; "judge not, less ye be judged".

I honestly believe if Tans advisors had some balls and those who work within our club, Tan would actually listen.

I chatted to Tan for 3hrs and he respected me and listened, but was later told I was only 10% of the fans who believed in BLUE.

The problem for them is now if we went back BLUE and Tan became say liked or even a hero, Tan would then believe he was then originally ill advised, even though he wasnt, they just arse licked him, I believe Tan would then sack them all.

Just my strong opinion


As to not liking Tan, its because he takes the mick out of our identity and has made us a laughing circus.

Tan has not also stuck to his promise nearly 2 years ago to change the debt which is 90% his own making in to equity.
When he does that a lot of fans will at least feel relieved including myself and dare I say you Nat


As to Ole, I feel for him and I just believe he is out of his depth at this current moment.

Good luck to him next season, we should all give him a chance

Annis, that seems at complete odds with the other stuff you've been putting out about Tan the last few years. From your stance now, it is as if you're almost saying he is an innocent victim. he made a bold move to change our colour (for whatever reason, could say a bold business decision) but has been given further bad advice which has not allowed him to be informed enough to change it back. Whereas before you've always used quite abrasive language when describing him!

I will breath a lot easier too once the debt to equity has occurred. but as in my post the other night, you can't say he hasn't stuck to his promise (or as previous, called him a liar). He will only break his promise if he doesn't complete it by the time he comes to leave the club. That's my view; "judge not, less ye be judged".

Because Natman, due to the stripping of our identity it has hurt me and it has never ever felt the same watching City, so I have taken it out on the person at the top which is Tan, who at the end of the day, has to take the final blame.

I honestly believe if Tans advisors had some balls and those who work within our club, Tan would actually listen.

I chatted to Tan for 3hrs and he respected me and listened, but was later told I was only 10% of the fans who believed in BLUE.

The problem for them is now if we went back BLUE and Tan became say liked or even a hero, Tan would then believe he was then originally ill advised, even though he wasnt, they just arse licked him, I believe Tan would then sack them all.

Just my strong opinion


As to not liking Tan, its because he takes the mick out of our identity and has made us a laughing circus.

Tan has not also stuck to his promise nearly 2 years ago to change the debt which is 90% his own making in to equity.
When he does that a lot of fans will at least feel relieved including myself and dare I say you Nat


As to Ole, I feel for him and I just believe he is out of his depth at this current moment.

Good luck to him next season, we should all give him a chance

Annis, that seems at complete odds with the other stuff you've been putting out about Tan the last few years. From your stance now, it is as if you're almost saying he is an innocent victim. he made a bold move to change our colour (for whatever reason, could say a bold business decision) but has been given further bad advice which has not allowed him to be informed enough to change it back. Whereas before you've always used quite abrasive language when describing him!

I will breath a lot easier too once the debt to equity has occurred. but as in my post the other night, you can't say he hasn't stuck to his promise (or as previous, called him a liar). He will only break his promise if he doesn't complete it by the time he comes to leave the club. That's my view; "judge not, less ye be judged".

Because Natman, due to the stripping of our identity it has hurt me and it has never ever felt the same watching City, so I have taken it out on the person at the top which is Tan, who at the end of the day, has to take the final blame.

so have you changed your opinion on him now? As, like I said, he could have been doing it for the right reasons. It may be proving to be a mistake but unless his people who live the club day to day feed that to him he's not necessarily going to know or realise that.

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

honestly???

We'll I wouldn't have asked otherwise..

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

Where has Natman says he likes the rebrand, I think i have read most of his posts

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

Where has Natman says he likes the rebrand, I think i have read most of his posts

He openly parades the fact that he wears red on match days because the team play in red. And he's defended the rebrand at every opportunity and slated anything that's even slightly against Tan. Pretty evident that he's in favour of the rebrand

I've never seen Natman say he loves the rebrand, I have only seen him be open minded about why Tan made that decision.

Like many City fans as myself, he is prepared to support the club whatever colour they play in.

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

he gets out of his armchair and puts the kettle on

I've never seen Natman say he loves the rebrand, I have only seen him be open minded about why Tan made that decision.

Like many City fans as myself, he is prepared to support the club whatever colour they play in.

mwaaaaaaaah

He said anyone opposing the rebrand was a sinner and would go straight to hell

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

Where has Natman says he likes the rebrand, I think i have read most of his posts

He openly parades the fact that he wears red on match days because the team play in red. And he's defended the rebrand at every opportunity and slated anything that's even slightly against Tan. Pretty evident that he's in favour of the rebrand

To the point where he critiscised Moody for trying to enter the CCS with Palace officials last week.

I've never seen Natman say he loves the rebrand, I have only seen him be open minded about why Tan made that decision.

Like many City fans as myself, he is prepared to support the club whatever colour they play in.

mwaaaaaaaah

He said anyone opposing the rebrand was a sinner and would go straight to hell

Show me a quote, I guarantee you that even if he did, then 100% it was in jest.

I've never seen Natman say he loves the rebrand, I have only seen him be open minded about why Tan made that decision.

Like many City fans as myself, he is prepared to support the club whatever colour they play in.

mwaaaaaaaah

He said anyone opposing the rebrand was a sinner and would go straight to hell

Show me a quote, I guarantee you that even if he did, then 100% it was in jest.

"Show me a quote" Who the f**k are you? The internet police?

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

Where has Natman says he likes the rebrand, I think i have read most of his posts

Where have I said that he likes it, I said that it SEEMS that he likes it.

Ie. I get the impression from his choice to wear the red, defends it at every opportunity and jump on any criticism of Tan.

Learn to read posts properly.

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

Where has Natman says he likes the rebrand, I think i have read most of his posts

Where have I said that he likes it, I said that it SEEMS that he likes it.

Ie. I get the impression from his choice to wear the red, defends it at every opportunity and jump on any criticism of Tan.

Learn to read posts properly.

Apologies

I've never seen Natman say he loves the rebrand, I have only seen him be open minded about why Tan made that decision.

Like many City fans as myself, he is prepared to support the club whatever colour they play in.

mwaaaaaaaah

He said anyone opposing the rebrand was a sinner and would go straight to hell

Show me a quote, I guarantee you that even if he did, then 100% it was in jest.

"Show me a quote" Who the f**k are you? The internet police?

If you're going to make accusations and say people said this and that then you should be prepared to back it up.

I've never seen Natman say he loves the rebrand, I have only seen him be open minded about why Tan made that decision.

Like many City fans as myself, he is prepared to support the club whatever colour they play in.

mwaaaaaaaah

He said anyone opposing the rebrand was a sinner and would go straight to hell

Show me a quote, I guarantee you that even if he did, then 100% it was in jest.

"Show me a quote" Who the f**k are you? The internet police?

If you're going to make accusations and say people said this and that then you should be prepared to back it up.

I know what I read, I dont need to show a busy body like you anything

I honestly believe if Tans advisors had some balls and those who work within our club, Tan would actually listen.

I chatted to Tan for 3hrs and he respected me and listened, but was later told I was only 10% of the fans who believed in BLUE.

The problem for them is now if we went back BLUE and Tan became say liked or even a hero, Tan would then believe he was then originally ill advised, even though he wasnt, they just arse licked him, I believe Tan would then sack them all.

Just my strong opinion


As to not liking Tan, its because he takes the mick out of our identity and has made us a laughing circus.

Tan has not also stuck to his promise nearly 2 years ago to change the debt which is 90% his own making in to equity.
When he does that a lot of fans will at least feel relieved including myself and dare I say you Nat



As to Ole, I feel for him and I just believe he is out of his depth at this current moment.

Good luck to him next season, we should all give him a chance

Yes but you didn't tell tan the names you have called him or how much you hate him

I honestly believe if Tans advisors had some balls and those who work within our club, Tan would actually listen.

I chatted to Tan for 3hrs and he respected me and listened, but was later told I was only 10% of the fans who believed in BLUE.

The problem for them is now if we went back BLUE and Tan became say liked or even a hero, Tan would then believe he was then originally ill advised, even though he wasnt, they just arse licked him, I believe Tan would then sack them all.

Just my strong opinion


As to not liking Tan, its because he takes the mick out of our identity and has made us a laughing circus.

Tan has not also stuck to his promise nearly 2 years ago to change the debt which is 90% his own making in to equity.
When he does that a lot of fans will at least feel relieved including myself and dare I say you Nat



As to Ole, I feel for him and I just believe he is out of his depth at this current moment.

Good luck to him next season, we should all give him a chance

Yes but you didn't tell tan the names you have called him or how much you hate him

Jinks
Your right I have not yet till our next meeting, watch this space

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

WHat I've always maintained is that I have no problem with the rebrand and that a change in colour is just something that doesn't bother me and something that I don't (and can't) get worked up over. There's far more injustice in the world which winds me up more than to be worried about the colour of a shirt.

During the protest; I just feel completed gutted, downhearted and frustrated. Why? I would rather that the fans just got behind the team and not protest about the shirt (and against Tan) during the match. During the match then first thing is first, the boys should get our full support, whether we are doing well or doing crap. I also think that undertaking the chants is quite an aggressive stance against Tan and at the end of the day he holds the future of the club in his hands and buy being aggressive it may only serve to get his back up and cause him to be stubborn rather than work together.

Also, I'm far more balanced in my view of Tan than many other on here and appreciate the professionalism and development he has brought to the club along with the investment in the squad and the infrastructure. So to an extent (and other posters have touched on this) what fans are doing is being completely ungrateful. We've taken his investment, we've attended games and we've enjoyed the ride. The only reason the protests have started and there is a further swell of blue at games is because of our poor form; nothing more, nothing less. It will also be the same set of fans kicking up a fuss during the summer if Tan doesn't re-invest for another promotion push.

In all, and however much people hate to hear this, he has put his money where his mouth is and so in my eyes deserves to be able to run the club as he sees fit.

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

Where has Natman says he likes the rebrand, I think i have read most of his posts

He openly parades the fact that he wears red on match days because the team play in red. And he's defended the rebrand at every opportunity and slated anything that's even slightly against Tan. Pretty evident that he's in favour of the rebrand

Yes, I wear Red on match days, and occasionally yellow (also a smart kit) because that's the colours my team play in. Also I don't want to be associated with a protest, particularly as I have seen first hand the violent elements of that protest. I have no issues with the rebrand whatsoever. Should we be back in blue tomorrow then I'll wear blue again.

I also believe that I've argued many a time that Tan has wanted to merge cultures and identities. Red and blue are quite prominent throughout the marketing

You seem to like the rebrand, what due you do during the blue scarf protest?

he gets out of his armchair and puts the kettle on

Be a long way to go to put the kettle on, I'd miss the second half. From next season on wards too so would my wife and my other son. family of 4, all season ticket holders supporting my club!

WHat I've always maintained is that I have no problem with the rebrand and that a change in colour is just something that doesn't bother me and something that I don't (and can't) get worked up over. There's far more injustice in the world which winds me up more than to be worried about the colour of a shirt.

During the protest; I just feel completed gutted, downhearted and frustrated. Why?

that's how many feel about the rebrand.

I would rather that the fans just got behind the team and not protest about the shirt (and against Tan) during the match. During the match then first thing is first, the boys should get our full support, whether we are doing well or doing crap.

they do. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm sure the players don't see he blue scarves and then suddenly think oh that's not good, we will play shit now.

I also think that undertaking the chants is quite an aggressive stance against Tan and at the end of the day he holds the future of the club in his hands and buy being aggressive it may only serve to get his back up and cause him to be stubborn rather than work together.

holding up blue scarves is aggressive?!

Also, I'm far more balanced in my view of Tan than many other on here and appreciate the professionalism and development he has brought to the club along with the investment in the squad and the infrastructure.

for investment, read loan.

So to an extent (and other posters have touched on this) what fans are doing is being completely ungrateful. We've taken his investment, we've attended games and we've enjoyed the ride. The only reason the protests have started and there is a further swell of blue at games is because of our poor form; nothing more, nothing less.

rubbish, there were protests before, protest groups formed before & they are suddenly gaining momentum due to his continual disregard of the fans & the club.

It will also be the same set of fans kicking up a fuss during the summer if Tan doesn't re-invest for another promotion push.

now you're just making grand assumptions.

In all, and however much people hate to hear this, he has put his money where his mouth is and so in my eyes deserves to be able to run the club as he sees fit.

disagree. Owning a football club should be like owning a listed building. You have certain guidelines and parameters to adhere to. Names & fundamental parts of that clubs identity should always remain intact.

I've never seen Natman say he loves the rebrand, I have only seen him be open minded about why Tan made that decision.

Like many City fans as myself, he is prepared to support the club whatever colour they play in.

mwaaaaaaaah

He said anyone opposing the rebrand was a sinner and would go straight to hell

Show me a quote, I guarantee you that even if he did, then 100% it was in jest.

"Show me a quote" Who the f**k are you? The internet police?

MJW, he can't show you a quote because I've never said it. Chuckles has misquoted what I said on this issue quote a number of times so CF47 could be forming his opinion on that?

What actually happened was that someone asked for my views, as a Christian, on the rebrand. What I said is that I didn't think it was an issue, but that i thought Jesus would be appalled with how fans were treating each other in their differences and the abuse and vitriol that was taking place.

Point 1 ) I understand that's how people feel. I'm just explaining how I feel during those times, which is what you asked.

Point 2) I'm sorry but I think they are mutually exclusive. I don't think anyone, when singing those songs is giving any consideration to the team its all just directed at Tan. I'd like you to tell me how on other occassions where the Canton sing "Vincent Tan is full of s**t" or "Vincent Tan you're a w****r" show's any support to the team???

I also think the player's do think 'oh s**t'. They know the issues, they know not everything is rosy between Tan and the fans because of the rebrand, they know their struggling in the league, they know the chanst and actions have only just ramped up. All this does is serve to heap added pressure onto the players during the match. Also the fans' frustration with the colour grows during this time which seeps into their frustration with the players. So, on Saturday, you can take the reactions to Turner, Taylor, Zaha and others as an example of this.

Point 3) Its a protest, yes, its a aggressive. Its to be antagonistic towards Tan.

Point 4) At the present its a loan at a very favourable rate and it would be interesting to see if he's actually trying to recoup any of that. As I've said elsewhere, the plan still is debt to equity, no one can say it isn't going to happen until Tan says it himself, neither can anyone call him a liar until the time comes and he walks and it hasn't occurred. If that happens, even still, we need to understand the reasons why it hasn't happened rather than simply labeling him a liar. Things change for all sorts of reasons at the term liar can only be applied if he made that statement with absolutely no intention of fulfilling that when he made it.

point 5) there was no where near the level of protest that has recently occurred. Everyone on this forum (I'd imagine including even Annis) would admit to that. How many statements did we see prior to that last march stating things along the lines of 'finally the groups have got their act together' etc. The 19:27 protest didn't exist before the last 2 (possibly 3) matches.

point 6) It is an assumption, and informed one based on previous actions. But assumptions can either be right or wrong. We'll have to wait and see. But fans have already constantly berated Tan for the change in colour whilst at the same time demanded more money from him for transfers (even during January). So I have every reason to believe it will happen again.

Point 7) But its not is it? There's no law or statute which forbids it. Leeds changed in the 70s to white and a number of other clubs have changed their colours through the years. Besides, if you want to be pedantic over it then let's go back to gold and purple, those were our original colours. If this was made law then it would open a whole can of worms for those reasons alone.

Point 1 ) I understand that's how people feel. I'm just explaining how I feel during those times, which is what you asked.

Point 2) I'm sorry but I think they are mutually exclusive. I don't think anyone, when singing those songs is giving any consideration to the team its all just directed at Tan. I'd like you to tell me how on other occassions where the Canton sing "Vincent Tan is full of s**t" or "Vincent Tan you're a w****r" show's any support to the team???

as I said. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I also think the player's do think 'oh s**t'. They know the issues, they know not everything is rosy between Tan and the fans because of the rebrand, they know their struggling in the league, they know the chanst and actions have only just ramped up. All this does is serve to heap added pressure onto the players during the match. Also the fans' frustration with the colour grows during this time which seeps into their frustration with the players. So, on Saturday, you can take the reactions to Turner, Taylor, Zaha and others as an example of this.

oh wow.

Point 3) Its a protest, yes, its a aggressive. Its to be antagonistic towards Tan.

holding a blue scarf is aggressive now.

Point 4) At the present its a loan at a very favourable rate and it would be interesting to see if he's actually trying to recoup any of that. As I've said elsewhere, the plan still is debt to equity, no one can say it isn't going to happen until Tan says it himself, neither can anyone call him a liar until the time comes and he walks and it hasn't occurred. If that happens, even still, we need to understand the reasons why it hasn't happened rather than simply labeling him a liar. Things change for all sorts of reasons at the term liar can only be applied if he made that statement with absolutely no intention of fulfilling that when he made it.

glad you can see it's a loan and not an investment.

point 5) there was no where near the level of protest that has recently occurred. Everyone on this forum (I'd imagine including even Annis) would admit to that. How many statements did we see prior to that last march stating things along the lines of 'finally the groups have got their act together' etc. The 19:27 protest didn't exist before the last 2 (possibly 3) matches.

did I say there was? To say what you did was factually incorrect.

point 6) It is an assumption, and informed one based on previous actions. But assumptions can either be right or wrong. We'll have to wait and see. But fans have already constantly berated Tan for the change in colour whilst at the same time demanded more money from him for transfers (even during January). So I have every reason to believe it will happen again.

it's an incorrect assumption.

Point 7) But its not is it? There's no law or statute which forbids it. Leeds changed in the 70s to white and a number of other clubs have changed their colours through the years. Besides, if you want to be pedantic over it then let's go back to gold and purple, those were our original colours. If this was made law then it would open a whole can of worms for those reasons alone.

did I say it was law? No, I just gave my opinion. Surely even the pro reds like you can agree with me on that.

WHat I've always maintained is that I have no problem with the rebrand and that a change in colour is just something that doesn't bother me and something that I don't (and can't) get worked up over. There's far more injustice in the world which winds me up more than to be worried about the colour of a shirt.

During the protest; I just feel completed gutted, downhearted and frustrated. Why? I would rather that the fans just got behind the team and not protest about the shirt (and against Tan) during the match. During the match then first thing is first, the boys should get our full support, whether we are doing well or doing crap. I also think that undertaking the chants is quite an aggressive stance against Tan and at the end of the day he holds the future of the club in his hands and buy being aggressive it may only serve to get his back up and cause him to be stubborn rather than work together.

Also, I'm far more balanced in my view of Tan than many other on here and appreciate the professionalism and development he has brought to the club along with the investment in the squad and the infrastructure. So to an extent (and other posters have touched on this) what fans are doing is being completely ungrateful. We've taken his investment, we've attended games and we've enjoyed the ride. The only reason the protests have started and there is a further swell of blue at games is because of our poor form; nothing more, nothing less. It will also be the same set of fans kicking up a fuss during the summer if Tan doesn't re-invest for another promotion push.

In all, and however much people hate to hear this, he has put his money where his mouth is and so in my eyes deserves to be able to run the club as he sees fit.

I'm with you Natman, a lot of our supporters which is prevalent on this forum are like sheep, they never said anything when the rebrand happened but now because we are in the bottom half of the league it's the lets all blame tan brigade...
I've said this before and i'll say it again "he who pays the piper calls the tune" unfortunately many will slate me for making my opinion as they do with you which I why I stay clear from most threads!

There are several of us who have said it from the first day it was announced, thanks.