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Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:18 pm
- A 20 year old old striker, that is now starting for a team that features regularly in the Champions League. Got injured on arrival and played a grand total of about 200 minutes in his entire career for the club. Made a scapegoat by the fat man to claim Mackay was not capable of doing his job in the courts. Negligence and Breach of statutory duty and all that jazz.
- Or a 29 year old absolute shit bucket, that puts no effort in, walks around complaining to the other players when he does zero. Takes about 20 seconds to get up off the floor when he's down. Wins a few meaningless headers, misses every chance he gets, which are few and far between because he is never in a position to score. Walks off the field as if he genuinely played well. Puts in less effort than Zaha, but Zaha gets the blame because he didn't do the ayatollah when playing against a team that he spent years at. Gets less abuse than the old guard of Taylor, Gunnarsson, Turner etc which is absolute baffling.
Out of all the outrageous wages we have at the club, the 45k to Cornelius was an investment. Kenwyne Jones will be on close to that. Kim, Medel, Fabio, Calas, Caulker, Bellamy, KTC, Zaha will all be on good wages
Now we have Fraizer who tries hard and will always be a favourite and Kenwyne Jones.
Fraizer deserves a chance at a better club and he'll go in the summer imo. Maybe to a promoted team.
I just think we should have kept him and gone into next year with someone with potential upfront, rather than a cart horse. Strikers are an expensive commodity, we just sold a great 20 year old prospect that was always patient on the bench, but made a scape goat, which people massively fell for.
Regardless of who signed what and when, don't make it about that. Think in terms of the players.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:22 pm
The thing is about cornelius is that his wages were to big. He is no where near as good as jones and jones is shit. For anyone to suggest we should of kept cornelius obviously did not watch him play or even warm up. Atleast jones has scored, cornelius wouldn't of scored fucall, he also could not hold the ball up for shit.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:25 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:The thing is about cornelius is that his wages were to big. He is no where near as good as jones and jones is shit. For anyone to suggest we should of kept cornelius obviously did not watch him play or even warm up. Atleast jones has scored, cornelius wouldn't of scored fucall, he also could not hold the ball up for shit.
He hardly played.
Chucking him in every now and then is not the way to blood a young, foreign striker.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:27 pm
Mario wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:The thing is about cornelius is that his wages were to big. He is no where near as good as jones and jones is shit. For anyone to suggest we should of kept cornelius obviously did not watch him play or even warm up. Atleast jones has scored, cornelius wouldn't of scored fucall, he also could not hold the ball up for shit.
He hardly played.
Chucking him in every now and then is not the way to blood a young, foreign striker.
He may well be shit hot in a season or two, but we needed a striker who could hold the ball up and head it. Unfortunately jones was the best available, and at the moment he is still ten times the player cornflop is.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:28 pm
Both shit at the moment, but I still think Cornelius will become a top striker in Europe, he's got time on his side and didn't win those awards for nothing. He was massively unlucky here to get 2 injuries in quick succession
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:33 pm
I don't get why joey mason was given a shit, although he is not the same type of player has these two he is a good player. Malky should of given mason a chance, he's done very well for Bolton.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:43 pm
Well it wasnt an option of either but neither are good enough.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:46 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:I don't get why joey mason was given a shit, although he is not the same type of player has these two he is a good player. Malky should of given mason a chance, he's done very well for Bolton.
Hopefully he stays for next year.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:02 pm
Could not vote as I think both of them are sheer shite
Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:03 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:I don't get why joey mason was given a shit, although he is not the same type of player has these two he is a good player. Malky should of given mason a chance, he's done very well for Bolton.
He has gone backwards the last 2 seasons, very rarely played.
This year it was obvious he wasnt going to get game time so im not sure why Malky didnt send him out for a full season loan. it would have helped his development immensely
Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:05 pm
Cornelius wasn't ready and we paid well over the odds for him. I think he got a lot of unfair stick, but he clearly wasn't ready.
As for Jones, I think people need to ask themselves what they're looking for in such a player.
I think he does a fantastic job of holding the ball up and wins an awful lot of ball in the air.
I can't think of many big strikers who run after every single ball, run from box to box and tackle every fucker there is to tackle. No such thing, in fact.
I don't see KJ as a goal poacher; he's a big striker in the Andy Carroll mould who plays the rest of the teamn into the game.
We don't have anybody else who can hold the ball up as well as KJ can. Fact.
It doesn't help that the team is changed around so much every week that none of the new signings have had much of a chance to bed in or form much of an understanding...
I'm not saying KJ is the answer to all out problems and there are better strikers than him out there, but I think he comes in for a lot of grief from people who seem to expect the moon on a stick when it comes to centre forwards...
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:31 pm
pretty much sums up how it is.
a cardiff 1st team player is losing in a poll against a parks player that cost our club a place in the prem..
what next?
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:35 pm
soulofthesea wrote:pretty much sums up how it is.
a cardiff 1st team player is losing in a poll against a parks player that cost our club a place in the prem..
what next?
A rem blaming the transfer of a 20 year old for our premier league survival maybe?.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:40 pm
The cornelius transfer is one of the top 3 reasons this season has been a disaster for me. A proven goal scorer would of helped our club immensely, but we were stuck with Campbell, who tries his best but is just not prem quality, as his form suggests for all the teams he has played for in the prem.
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:48 pm
Leo fortune west was better than the two of them
Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:16 pm
Neither. Rudy Gestede was better than both!
Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:31 pm
Neither there both f*cking garbage and even rudy was better than the pair of them to be fair so thats saying something
Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:42 pm
Mario wrote:soulofthesea wrote:pretty much sums up how it is.
a cardiff 1st team player is losing in a poll against a parks player that cost our club a place in the prem..
what next?
A rem blaming the transfer of a 20 year old for our premier league survival maybe?.
it was a third of the budget..our foward for the prem
Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:55 pm

lmao, imagine trying to defend the transfer of an 8m flop to a guy we got in for free and is exactly what we needed come the start of the season
Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:15 pm
neither,we got better in the developement.....
Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:36 pm
Rudy gestede was better than both
Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:48 pm
Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:50 pm
Gestede better than both. We should have kept Gestede.
Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:58 pm
Sadly majority of our supporters don't understand football and positions or style of a player.
He is a target man and people compare him to pacey strikers such as Campbell, it's hilarious.
Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:05 pm
KJ is the biggest bag of shit I have ever seen, FACT!!!!!
Lazy wanker don't give a f**k. On Saturday v palace he passed ball out to noone (superb crosser) on right side and rather than bust a bollock getting to penalty spot he stood and admirered his 4 yard pass!!!!! Any other 6ft plus striker would love chances like that and the rare times he is in box he misses anyway!!!!
What a load of shit!!!!!!
I can put up with not being good enough but no excuse for lack of effort.
Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:11 pm
DandoCCFC wrote:Sadly majority of our supporters don't understand football and positions or style of a player.
He is a target man and people compare him to pacey strikers such as Campbell, it's hilarious.
Agree, the majority on here don't understand football. There are people even in this thread comparing KJ to mason etc who are more Campbell type players. At the end of the day KJ might not be the best but he has offered far more than cornflop ever did, and for the people who think Gestede is better than KJ, lay of the pipe
Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:25 pm
I'd rather Jones.
I'm not sure what type of player Cornelius was. He was a big lad, looked strong but got outmuscled and out jumped in the air so he evidently isn't a target man.
He couldn't dribble with the ball nor could he control it. His shooting was awful and he had no pace.
Whereas Jones is a target man, he wins the ball in the air and brings others into play. He may not be the most hardworking player nor the best player but he was superior to Cornelius in every way.
I don't want to bring this up like everyone does but how on earth Malky can justify spending 8m and giving him 45k a week despite playing one full season ever is something I'd very much like to hear.
Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:27 pm
llandaffbluebird1 wrote:I'd rather Jones.
I'm not sure what type of player Cornelius was. He was a big lad, looked strong but got outmuscled and out jumped in the air so he evidently isn't a target man.
He couldn't dribble with the ball nor could he control it. His shooting was awful and he had no pace.
Whereas Jones is a target man, he wins the ball in the air and brings others into play. He may not be the most hardworking player nor the best player but he was superior to Cornelius in every way.
I don't want to bring this up like everyone does but how on earth Malky can justify spending 8m and giving him 45k a week despite playing one full season ever is something I'd very much like to hear.
Me too, I would like to now what milky was thinking with this. Apparently they got/had the same agent

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Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:30 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:llandaffbluebird1 wrote:I'd rather Jones.
I'm not sure what type of player Cornelius was. He was a big lad, looked strong but got outmuscled and out jumped in the air so he evidently isn't a target man.
He couldn't dribble with the ball nor could he control it. His shooting was awful and he had no pace.
Whereas Jones is a target man, he wins the ball in the air and brings others into play. He may not be the most hardworking player nor the best player but he was superior to Cornelius in every way.
I don't want to bring this up like everyone does but how on earth Malky can justify spending 8m and giving him 45k a week despite playing one full season ever is something I'd very much like to hear.
Me too, I would like to now what milky was thinking with this. Apparently they got/had the same agent

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Hmm not sure if that is true but you never know in football. It is an odd one to say the least. Hopefully it'll be revealed in due time.
Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:19 pm
As I have said on a lot ofother posts. Cornelius was the better option by the proverbial mile. Once in a blue moon Jones (the Passenger) will have a good game. Most of the time he is sh@t.
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