' Where did it all go wrong? '
Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:11 pm
Analysis: Where did it all go wrong?
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WalesOnline
07/04/14
Cardiff City spent decades chasing the top-flight dream. It has taken them less than a year for their Premier League to become the stuff of nightmares.
It is just ten days shy of a year ago that promotion from the Championship was celebrated; after this embarrassment it will be surely a matter of time before relegation back to it will be confirmed.
Because in a game even their manager agreed they simply had to win, where three points were essential, the Bluebirds didn’t come anywhere close to it.
Even Ole Gunnar Solskjaer had to accept it is now time to hope for miracles as they stand in 19th, six points off safety which might as well be seven given their goal difference.
There were chants of ‘We are staying up’ at the final whistle but it was not from the home fans, many of whom that had long disappeared from their seats in a mixture of disgust and disillusionment at what they had seen offered up at such a crucial time.
No, the jubilation was from Crystal Palace, a side once mired in relegation worries themselves but perhaps disbelieving of the ease in which they cantered to this possibly safety-sealing victory.
The few that stayed could just about muster up a smattering of boos for boss Solskjaer and his side. He stayed positive in the post-match inquest, but the smile of defiance cannot disguise his own frustrations and fear of the worst.
He said managers must hold their hands up and his remains very much in the air – although his players are equally culpable.
For all the talk of improvements made the numbers are horrifying: eight points from 13 games and 32 goals conceded, 14 of which in the last four games.
Such figures only add up to one thing, something Joe Ledley realised as he tapped home with 19 minutes remaining.
A boyhood Bluebird, he knew his goal had pretty much condemned Cardiff. He did not celebrate, not out of false sentiment but the realisation of what his new club’s win will no doubt mean.
There was no danger of Jason Puncheon not celebrating his two strikes, the first of embarrassing ease 32 minutes in that set Cardiff on course for this deserved defeat, the second of salt-rubbing proportions as he curled home from outside the box with two minutes to go.
The response? Non-existent. A few hopeful crosses, a header or two, but nothing that convinced. Perhaps not even the players themselves as the belief sapped out of the Bluebirds.
How could anyone put on a brave face, deny the obvious, when a Tony Pulis team is completing triangle passes with visiting cheers greeting each one?
Or the fact they managed to score a third of their away goals for the season in one game. Solskjaer’s set-up and his constant switching of formations and personnel will come under scrutiny but the individual responsibility was shirked.
Only Mats Daehli looked like he was ready to be responsible enough on the ball but the mish-mash of styles from one manager to the next this season meant few were on his wave length on the ball and he, like so many others, did not do enough off it.
Ones such as Gary Medel. Sometimes playing in the pivot role means your contribution can be under-estimated. Not here, El Pitbul more like a poodle. With less running.
There were others, moments of such lack of quality and confidence that suggested there was no chance of Cardiff winning this even when they enjoyed some first-half possession without any real purpose.
Such as the sight of Wilfried Zaha taking on his man and working space only to produce a delivery of such poor standard Palace could not believe their luck. Or, in sweeping up unmarked on his right hand side of the box after an overhit Palace cross, Kevin Theophile-Catherine unable to pluck up the ability or courage but to do anything but launch the ball into the stands.
Cardiff had hoped for so much more, the rallying calls from the boardroom before hand, the fans urging from the off and a cry of ‘this is our home, they shall fear us, we fear no-one’ from the pre-match public address system. The latter certainly fell on deaf ears as yellow shirts crowded every Cardiff player and broke as they always do in their set-in-stone counter attack ploy.
Only once did Cardiff’s idea of going wide and crossing come anywhere near close to paying off, and even then you felt Julian Speroni made a bit much of getting low to stop Fraizer Campbell’s header sneaking in on 24 minutes.
Even if the territory and push forward offered hope – even with Kenwyne Jones not justifying why he was selected with Campbell pushed wide – the space and time Palace were afforded always worried. Their opener illustrated why.
Ledley had already had too much time without pressure as he slipped to Puncheon whose run around the back had already lost Andrew Taylor with he and Daehli standing off enough for the flier to check, change foot and slot past Marshall.
There was more thrown at Palace after the break but it was all meat and drink, Zaha hooked for Craig Noone after fans called for the Scouser. Boos were aimed either at the decision or the disappointing former Palace player himself.
Noone at least provided one cross that Jones met ahead of Speroni, Eagles sub Marouane Chamakh heading away even if the effort was going wide.
And that – aside from a half-hearted penalty shout when Daehli went down under a hint of pressure from Kagisho Dikgacoi – was all there was to shout about.
Because, on 71 minutes, Ledley lived up to the rule of the ex as Puncheon’s free-kick was watched on its way to Chamakh’s run and head, Marshall’s impressive stop straight to an unmarked Ledley. Against his beloved Bluebirds, the Wales ace was almost apologetic as he scored his second goal.
Solskjaer’s attempts to change things were alarming, Don Cowie replacing Jones and the cumbersome Turner pushed up front. Puncheon duly punished such decisions, curling past Marshall from range after Mariappa’s pass and Chamakh’s dummy.
It signalled this one being all over. Of course, the maths do suggest that it is not yet all over for Cardiff. Six points off safety with five games to go does leave things open for miracles.
But so much better than this is needed and a run of points they have not delivered all season.
Right now, that’s just the stuff of fantasy in a season of living nightmares.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=115247
WalesOnline
07/04/14
Cardiff City spent decades chasing the top-flight dream. It has taken them less than a year for their Premier League to become the stuff of nightmares.
It is just ten days shy of a year ago that promotion from the Championship was celebrated; after this embarrassment it will be surely a matter of time before relegation back to it will be confirmed.
Because in a game even their manager agreed they simply had to win, where three points were essential, the Bluebirds didn’t come anywhere close to it.
Even Ole Gunnar Solskjaer had to accept it is now time to hope for miracles as they stand in 19th, six points off safety which might as well be seven given their goal difference.
There were chants of ‘We are staying up’ at the final whistle but it was not from the home fans, many of whom that had long disappeared from their seats in a mixture of disgust and disillusionment at what they had seen offered up at such a crucial time.
No, the jubilation was from Crystal Palace, a side once mired in relegation worries themselves but perhaps disbelieving of the ease in which they cantered to this possibly safety-sealing victory.
The few that stayed could just about muster up a smattering of boos for boss Solskjaer and his side. He stayed positive in the post-match inquest, but the smile of defiance cannot disguise his own frustrations and fear of the worst.
He said managers must hold their hands up and his remains very much in the air – although his players are equally culpable.
For all the talk of improvements made the numbers are horrifying: eight points from 13 games and 32 goals conceded, 14 of which in the last four games.
Such figures only add up to one thing, something Joe Ledley realised as he tapped home with 19 minutes remaining.
A boyhood Bluebird, he knew his goal had pretty much condemned Cardiff. He did not celebrate, not out of false sentiment but the realisation of what his new club’s win will no doubt mean.
There was no danger of Jason Puncheon not celebrating his two strikes, the first of embarrassing ease 32 minutes in that set Cardiff on course for this deserved defeat, the second of salt-rubbing proportions as he curled home from outside the box with two minutes to go.
The response? Non-existent. A few hopeful crosses, a header or two, but nothing that convinced. Perhaps not even the players themselves as the belief sapped out of the Bluebirds.
How could anyone put on a brave face, deny the obvious, when a Tony Pulis team is completing triangle passes with visiting cheers greeting each one?
Or the fact they managed to score a third of their away goals for the season in one game. Solskjaer’s set-up and his constant switching of formations and personnel will come under scrutiny but the individual responsibility was shirked.
Only Mats Daehli looked like he was ready to be responsible enough on the ball but the mish-mash of styles from one manager to the next this season meant few were on his wave length on the ball and he, like so many others, did not do enough off it.
Ones such as Gary Medel. Sometimes playing in the pivot role means your contribution can be under-estimated. Not here, El Pitbul more like a poodle. With less running.
There were others, moments of such lack of quality and confidence that suggested there was no chance of Cardiff winning this even when they enjoyed some first-half possession without any real purpose.
Such as the sight of Wilfried Zaha taking on his man and working space only to produce a delivery of such poor standard Palace could not believe their luck. Or, in sweeping up unmarked on his right hand side of the box after an overhit Palace cross, Kevin Theophile-Catherine unable to pluck up the ability or courage but to do anything but launch the ball into the stands.
Cardiff had hoped for so much more, the rallying calls from the boardroom before hand, the fans urging from the off and a cry of ‘this is our home, they shall fear us, we fear no-one’ from the pre-match public address system. The latter certainly fell on deaf ears as yellow shirts crowded every Cardiff player and broke as they always do in their set-in-stone counter attack ploy.
Only once did Cardiff’s idea of going wide and crossing come anywhere near close to paying off, and even then you felt Julian Speroni made a bit much of getting low to stop Fraizer Campbell’s header sneaking in on 24 minutes.
Even if the territory and push forward offered hope – even with Kenwyne Jones not justifying why he was selected with Campbell pushed wide – the space and time Palace were afforded always worried. Their opener illustrated why.
Ledley had already had too much time without pressure as he slipped to Puncheon whose run around the back had already lost Andrew Taylor with he and Daehli standing off enough for the flier to check, change foot and slot past Marshall.
There was more thrown at Palace after the break but it was all meat and drink, Zaha hooked for Craig Noone after fans called for the Scouser. Boos were aimed either at the decision or the disappointing former Palace player himself.
Noone at least provided one cross that Jones met ahead of Speroni, Eagles sub Marouane Chamakh heading away even if the effort was going wide.
And that – aside from a half-hearted penalty shout when Daehli went down under a hint of pressure from Kagisho Dikgacoi – was all there was to shout about.
Because, on 71 minutes, Ledley lived up to the rule of the ex as Puncheon’s free-kick was watched on its way to Chamakh’s run and head, Marshall’s impressive stop straight to an unmarked Ledley. Against his beloved Bluebirds, the Wales ace was almost apologetic as he scored his second goal.
Solskjaer’s attempts to change things were alarming, Don Cowie replacing Jones and the cumbersome Turner pushed up front. Puncheon duly punished such decisions, curling past Marshall from range after Mariappa’s pass and Chamakh’s dummy.
It signalled this one being all over. Of course, the maths do suggest that it is not yet all over for Cardiff. Six points off safety with five games to go does leave things open for miracles.
But so much better than this is needed and a run of points they have not delivered all season.
Right now, that’s just the stuff of fantasy in a season of living nightmares.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:13 pm
It went wrong as soon as Tan started meddling in footballing affairs
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:36 pm
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WalesOnline
07/04/14
Cardiff City spent decades chasing the top-flight dream. It has taken them less than a year for their Premier League to become the stuff of nightmares.
Bullshit - it wasn't decades at all.
It is just ten days shy of a year ago that promotion from the Championship was celebrated; after this embarrassment it will be surely a matter of time before relegation back to it will be confirmed. Stating the bleeding obvious
Because in a game even their manager agreed they simply had to win, where three points were essential, the Bluebirds didn’t come anywhere close to it. 0-3 i guess you could say that.
Even Ole Gunnar Solskjaer had to accept it is now time to hope for miracles as they stand in 19th, six points off safety which might as well be seven given their goal difference.
There were chants of ‘We are staying up’ at the final whistle but it was not from the home fans, many of whom that had long disappeared from their seats in a mixture of disgust and disillusionment at what they had seen offered up at such a crucial time.
No, the jubilation was from Crystal Palace, a side once mired in relegation worries themselves but perhaps disbelieving of the ease in which they cantered to this possibly safety-sealing victory.
The few that stayed could just about muster up a smattering of boos for boss Solskjaer and his side. He stayed positive in the post-match inquest, but the smile of defiance cannot disguise his own frustrations and fear of the worst.
He said managers must hold their hands up and his remains very much in the air – although his players are equally culpable.
For all the talk of improvements made the numbers are horrifying: eight points from 13 games and 32 goals conceded, 14 of which in the last four games.
Such figures only add up to one thing, something Joe Ledley realised as he tapped home with 19 minutes remaining.
A boyhood Bluebird, he knew his goal had pretty much condemned Cardiff. He did not celebrate, not out of false sentiment but the realisation of what his new club’s win will no doubt mean.
There was no danger of Jason Puncheon not celebrating his two strikes, the first of embarrassing ease 32 minutes in that set Cardiff on course for this deserved defeat, the second of salt-rubbing proportions as he curled home from outside the box with two minutes to go.
The response? Non-existent. A few hopeful crosses, a header or two, but nothing that convinced. Perhaps not even the players themselves as the belief sapped out of the Bluebirds.
How could anyone put on a brave face, deny the obvious, when a Tony Pulis team is completing triangle passes with visiting cheers greeting each one?
Or the fact they managed to score a third of their away goals for the season in one game. Solskjaer’s set-up and his constant switching of formations and personnel will come under scrutiny but the individual responsibility was shirked.
Only Mats Daehli looked like he was ready to be responsible enough on the ball but the mish-mash of styles from one manager to the next this season meant few were on his wave length on the ball and he, like so many others, did not do enough off it.
Ones such as Gary Medel. Sometimes playing in the pivot role means your contribution can be under-estimated. Not here, El Pitbul more like a poodle. With less running.
There were others, moments of such lack of quality and confidence that suggested there was no chance of Cardiff winning this even when they enjoyed some first-half possession without any real purpose.
Such as the sight of Wilfried Zaha taking on his man and working space only to produce a delivery of such poor standard Palace could not believe their luck. Or, in sweeping up unmarked on his right hand side of the box after an overhit Palace cross, Kevin Theophile-Catherine unable to pluck up the ability or courage but to do anything but launch the ball into the stands.
Cardiff had hoped for so much more, the rallying calls from the boardroom before hand, the fans urging from the off and a cry of ‘this is our home, they shall fear us, we fear no-one’ from the pre-match public address system. cringeworthy stuff if true The latter certainly fell on deaf ears as yellow shirts crowded every Cardiff player and broke as they always do in their set-in-stone counter attack ploy.
Only once did Cardiff’s idea of going wide and crossing come anywhere near close to paying off, and even then you felt Julian Speroni made a bit much of getting low to stop Fraizer Campbell’s header sneaking in on 24 minutes.
Even if the territory and push forward offered hope – even with Kenwyne Jones not justifying why he was selected with Campbell pushed wide – the space and time Palace were afforded always worried. Their opener illustrated why.
Ledley had already had too much time without pressure as he slipped to Puncheon whose run around the back had already lost Andrew Taylor with he and Daehli standing off enough for the flier to check, change foot and slot past Marshall.
There was more thrown at Palace after the break but it was all meat and drink, Zaha hooked for Craig Noone after fans called for the Scouser. Boos were aimed either at the decision or the disappointing former Palace player himself.
Noone at least provided one cross that Jones met ahead of Speroni, Eagles sub Marouane Chamakh heading away even if the effort was going wide.
And that – aside from a half-hearted penalty shout when Daehli went down under a hint of pressure from Kagisho Dikgacoi – was all there was to shout about.
Because, on 71 minutes, Ledley lived up to the rule of the ex as Puncheon’s free-kick was watched on its way to Chamakh’s run and head, Marshall’s impressive stop straight to an unmarked Ledley. Against his beloved Bluebirds, the Wales ace was almost apologetic as he scored his second goal.
Solskjaer’s attempts to change things were alarming, Don Cowie replacing Jones and the cumbersome Turner pushed up front. Puncheon duly punished such decisions, curling past Marshall from range after Mariappa’s pass and Chamakh’s dummy.
It signalled this one being all over. Of course, the maths do suggest that it is not yet all over for Cardiff. Six points off safety with five games to go does leave things open for miracles.
But so much better than this is needed and a run of points they have not delivered all season.
Right now, that’s just the stuff of fantasy in a season of living nightmares.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:11 am
Tan getting involved
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:03 am
FAO Daya, yes the public address was cringe worthy and got worse at half time with Ali shouting as if he had a classroom full of 7 year olds, some will say passion but more of a embarrassment really.
we didn't even get the 50/50 draw
we didn't even get the 50/50 draw
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:08 am
A number of things
1 bad recruitment in the summer.
2 failure to play our best performers until late September.
3 off field nonsense nearly all season.
4 appointing a manager with no management experience in British football.
We didn't strengthen in the areas most needed and have quite simply been not good enough for the league. massive difference between the championship and premiership and if we didn't knowit before we know it now
1 bad recruitment in the summer.
2 failure to play our best performers until late September.
3 off field nonsense nearly all season.
4 appointing a manager with no management experience in British football.
We didn't strengthen in the areas most needed and have quite simply been not good enough for the league. massive difference between the championship and premiership and if we didn't knowit before we know it now
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:38 am
It was game over the minute Tan sacked Malky!
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:48 am
It was game over the minute Malky wasted the highest budget a newly promoted club has ever seen on such utter dross, and didnt address the problem area - scoring goals.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:54 am
cendl blue wrote:A number of things
1 bad recruitment in the summer.
2 failure to play our best performers until late September.
3 off field nonsense nearly all season.
4 appointing a manager with no management experience in British football.
We didn't strengthen in the areas most needed and have quite simply been not good enough for the league. massive difference between the championship and premiership and if we didn't knowit before we know it now
This ^^^^^^
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:54 am
Anarch0 wrote:It was game over the minute Tan sacked Malky!
Dont talk wet
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:55 am
As soon as tan bought the club and our fans for accepting red.....sellouts!!!!
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:57 am
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:It was game over the minute Malky wasted the highest budget a newly promoted club has ever seen on such utter dross, and didnt address the problem area - scoring goals.
100% agree with this.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:58 am
Red or blue is of no relevance to the quality of players & competency of the manager.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:02 am
bloobird_james wrote:As soon as tan bought the club and our fans for accepting red.....sellouts!!!!
I am not a sellout anymore. I am proud to say that I am once more a
BLUEBIRD BLUEBIRD BLUEBIRD
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:44 am
It went wrong at the end of last season.When we went up after the Charlton game with another poor performance,on the way out of the ground I said to a stewart "we are fucked" and he looked at me with a rather oddly.
Malky shud have been dismissed at the end of last season,said it with five games to go.And now Ole is doing the same.He will be dismissed after this season.
Malky shud have been dismissed at the end of last season,said it with five games to go.And now Ole is doing the same.He will be dismissed after this season.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:44 am
IMO: It went wrong the moment Vincent Tan started dictating terms in footballing matters. Criticising and then firing Malky Mackay, largely because of the system he was playing, had 2 fatal consequences:
Firstly, it made Malky's position untenable long before he was eventually sacked, which had consequences as far as performances and results in his last few games were concerned.
Secondly, it implicitly forced ole's hands regarding the style and tactics he had to implement moving forward.
I thought at the time, and still think now, that on paper our players were never good enough to establish ourselves in the premier league unless we scraped, scrounged and scabbed for every point going. I didnt for one minute think we could 'entertain' and also consolidate our position this season. We could have stayed up if we had played ugly for a season, concentrated on the defence, kept our discipline and shape and taken every chance we were given. We also needed collective team spirit and unity, which i personally feel we had up until Christmas time with Malky.
Unfortunately I feel that our ability to do this stopped the moment Malky and Tan's dirty linen was aired in public.
Whether we would have stayed up had Malky stayed as manager we will never know. I think we almost certainly would still have been in a relegation dogfight, I just feel we would at least have been fighting. We would have gone down kicking and screaming, not just being repeatedly kicked.
Firstly, it made Malky's position untenable long before he was eventually sacked, which had consequences as far as performances and results in his last few games were concerned.
Secondly, it implicitly forced ole's hands regarding the style and tactics he had to implement moving forward.
I thought at the time, and still think now, that on paper our players were never good enough to establish ourselves in the premier league unless we scraped, scrounged and scabbed for every point going. I didnt for one minute think we could 'entertain' and also consolidate our position this season. We could have stayed up if we had played ugly for a season, concentrated on the defence, kept our discipline and shape and taken every chance we were given. We also needed collective team spirit and unity, which i personally feel we had up until Christmas time with Malky.
Unfortunately I feel that our ability to do this stopped the moment Malky and Tan's dirty linen was aired in public.
Whether we would have stayed up had Malky stayed as manager we will never know. I think we almost certainly would still have been in a relegation dogfight, I just feel we would at least have been fighting. We would have gone down kicking and screaming, not just being repeatedly kicked.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:45 am
Now vincent he is a gambling man, a man who loves a punt,
But to me Malky was the man while vincent is a complete ****!
But to me Malky was the man while vincent is a complete ****!
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:52 am
t was game over the minute Malky wasted the highest budget a newly promoted club has ever seen on such utter dross, and didnt address the problem area - scoring goals.
Thats it in a nutshell.Well said.Will be very interesting to see if Malky buys Cornelious when he gets a new club to manage.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:48 pm
The minute Malky got the boot.
Our results got worse, as did our league position.
Everyone was arse kissing OGS , big name etc. Everyone forgot Malky to quickly. If you were a neutral you would probably want us down. Fickle fans. Split over colour issues.
Clubs a bit of a laughing stock. Like Blackburn a few years back
Our results got worse, as did our league position.
Everyone was arse kissing OGS , big name etc. Everyone forgot Malky to quickly. If you were a neutral you would probably want us down. Fickle fans. Split over colour issues.
Clubs a bit of a laughing stock. Like Blackburn a few years back
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:11 pm
Cornishblue wrote:The minute Malky got the boot.
Our results got worse, as did our league position.
Everyone was arse kissing OGS , big name etc. Everyone forgot Malky to quickly. If you were a neutral you would probably want us down. Fickle fans. Split over colour issues.
Clubs a bit of a laughing stock. Like Blackburn a few years back
The results got progressively worse as the season went on not just when Malky was sacked. He started off well in August and September then it went downhill. He only won 1 of his last 9 games.
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:16 pm
too many too mention
Tan for me the the main problem with his non identity to football and his inability to stay ourt of football manageing issues also his failure yes failure to identify with the ccfc fans
sacking of malky was terrible
poor signings
little premiership experience in players and the new manger was a mistake
for me the club has lost the plot , hence so many like me saying final season , bye , not renewing like thousands of others
the club have alot to answer for , let us punters down big time ...
TAN OUT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Tan for me the the main problem with his non identity to football and his inability to stay ourt of football manageing issues also his failure yes failure to identify with the ccfc fans
sacking of malky was terrible
poor signings
little premiership experience in players and the new manger was a mistake
for me the club has lost the plot , hence so many like me saying final season , bye , not renewing like thousands of others
the club have alot to answer for , let us punters down big time ...
TAN OUT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:33 pm
BEFORE A BALL WAS KICKED WE WERE DOOM WITH IN HOUSE UNSTABILITY AND MEDLING
Re: ' Where did it all go wrong? '
Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:33 pm
It was never right in the first place from SAMs time