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malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:46 pm

It would not have been pretty but I am convinced malky would have got the points to make us safe. :old:

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:54 pm

Blame the malky out brigade. Be careful what you wish for????? We got ole,ole

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:55 pm

Getting rid of Malky was the right thing to do although it should have been sooner - due to the breakdown of his and Tans professional relationship

I am convinced if Tan hadn't interfered with footballing affairs and acted like a professional then that situation would never have arisen and my belief is Malky would have led the club to a very bright future

There's nothing we can do about it now though - best to move on

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:06 pm

We will never know although he seemed to have a better record against lower half teams beating Fulham and Swansea when in charge.....

Palace reminded me of Malky's teams first few games, beating Man City, and player a great defensive plan against Everton and Spurs.....

Two banks of four quickly closing down, and hard to break down....

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:08 pm

blue lagoon wrote:Blame the malky out brigade. Be careful what you wish for????? We got ole,ole



It wasn't a brigade it was one man, unfortunately he is owner.

I also believe if Tan kept out of it we would have got the extra 6 or 7 points we needed. \but, the owner didn't think the manager was acting in the best interest of the club. I hope the truth does come out either way, but feel there will be a shoddy comprimise and gagging orders.

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:17 pm

darboy wrote:It would not have been pretty but I am convinced malky would have got the points to make us safe. :old:


His points average was 0.94 per game, still relelgation from!

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:32 pm

Why do people say this but not back it up with their thoughts as to why they think it? I dislike using stats (because they are easily manipulated to suit someone's argument) but nearly every one of them point to Malky leading us down.

Awful defence, poor scoring record, amount of chances created against us, amount of saves Marshall had to make, amount of chances we created, away form etc are all awful to look at.

It is easy to say Malky would have kept us up because Ole is failing, how many of you would be so outraged and of the opinion MM would have kept us up if say we were 5/6 points clear of the relegation zone?

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:44 pm

llandaffbluebird1 wrote:Why do people say this but not back it up with their thoughts as to why they think it? I dislike using stats (because they are easily manipulated to suit someone's argument) but nearly every one of them point to Malky leading us down.

Awful defence, poor scoring record, amount of chances created against us, amount of saves Marshall had to make, amount of chances we created, away form etc are all awful to look at.

It is easy to say Malky would have kept us up because Ole is failing, how many of you would be so outraged and of the opinion MM would have kept us up if say we were 5/6 points clear of the relegation zone?


It's a hypothetical situation as he is no longer our manager so I don't need to use facts to back up my opinion

But I think he would have kept us up BECAUSE he had a professional setup, the players have 100% into each game, although the style of football had a lot to be desired we always felt that we could grind out some sort of result

As I said in the first post - the Malky vs Ole discussion has gone on for too long and I think that as fans we need to move on

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:48 pm

Whoever was in charge would still have a team playing in the premier league with championship quality players. There is no getting away from the fact that this team is not good enough for Premier league football, and we are not much stronger than last season despite all the money spent on new players.

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:52 pm

TRose69 wrote:
llandaffbluebird1 wrote:Why do people say this but not back it up with their thoughts as to why they think it? I dislike using stats (because they are easily manipulated to suit someone's argument) but nearly every one of them point to Malky leading us down.

Awful defence, poor scoring record, amount of chances created against us, amount of saves Marshall had to make, amount of chances we created, away form etc are all awful to look at.

It is easy to say Malky would have kept us up because Ole is failing, how many of you would be so outraged and of the opinion MM would have kept us up if say we were 5/6 points clear of the relegation zone?


It's a hypothetical situation as he is no longer our manager so I don't need to use facts to back up my opinion

But I think he would have kept us up BECAUSE he had a professional setup, the players have 100% into each game, although the style of football had a lot to be desired we always felt that we could grind out some sort of result

As I said in the first post - the Malky vs Ole discussion has gone on for too long and I think that as fans we need to move on



I didn't say facts I said reasons.

Having work rate alone isn't good enough to stay up, you need two or three players who could produce a bit of quality to compensate that ethic otherwise you're just going to sit back all game and hope that you get a lucky set piece goal and then see the game out and sadly we didn't have that. Which is why I think we would have gone down regardless.

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:53 pm

markeMark wrote:Whoever was in charge would still have a team playing in the premier league with championship quality players. There is no getting away from the fact that this team is not good enough for Premier league football, and we are not much stronger than last season despite all the money spent on new players.

Totally agree we've spent a lot of money on average players

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:07 pm

wez1927 wrote:
markeMark wrote:Whoever was in charge would still have a team playing in the premier league with championship quality players. There is no getting away from the fact that this team is not good enough for Premier league football, and we are not much stronger than last season despite all the money spent on new players.

Totally agree we've spent a lot of money on average players


I have posted below re OGS and his tactics. I believe he is very good on this but at the end of the day some of the players just aren't good enough to implement them properly.No need to name names.

If OGS has made mistakes it's probably in his personnel selection rather than set -up, but at the end of the day he has to play with what he has got and whilst he did his best in January it's simply the worst time to deal.

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:08 pm

wez1927 wrote:
markeMark wrote:Whoever was in charge would still have a team playing in the premier league with championship quality players. There is no getting away from the fact that this team is not good enough for Premier league football, and we are not much stronger than last season despite all the money spent on new players.

Totally agree we've spent a lot of money on average players


We do not have the worst squad in the division. I remember you doing a post stating Campbell and Kenwyne Jones will terrorise defences back in January Wez. The problem isn't our players, the problem is our owner and our tinkerman of a manager who doesn't know what formation or team to play. Leicester have only used 16 players this whole season. The players all know each other inside out and are able to read each other and play as an organised unit, as a team. We are the complete opposite and Tan's decision of sacking Malky who had us playing as a team sticking to a game plan to appointing Ole who has us playing open, attacking, expansive football against superior teams with superior players has relegated us. We won the league by 8 points last season and you would never believe that after losing 4-0 home to Hull and 3-0 home to Palace.
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Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:09 pm

llandaffbluebird1 wrote:
TRose69 wrote:
llandaffbluebird1 wrote:Why do people say this but not back it up with their thoughts as to why they think it? I dislike using stats (because they are easily manipulated to suit someone's argument) but nearly every one of them point to Malky leading us down.

Awful defence, poor scoring record, amount of chances created against us, amount of saves Marshall had to make, amount of chances we created, away form etc are all awful to look at.

It is easy to say Malky would have kept us up because Ole is failing, how many of you would be so outraged and of the opinion MM would have kept us up if say we were 5/6 points clear of the relegation zone?


It's a hypothetical situation as he is no longer our manager so I don't need to use facts to back up my opinion

But I think he would have kept us up BECAUSE he had a professional setup, the players have 100% into each game, although the style of football had a lot to be desired we always felt that we could grind out some sort of result

As I said in the first post - the Malky vs Ole discussion has gone on for too long and I think that as fans we need to move on



I didn't say facts I said reasons.

Having work rate alone isn't good enough to stay up, you need two or three players who could produce a bit of quality to compensate that ethic otherwise you're just going to sit back all game and hope that you get a lucky set piece goal and then see the game out and sadly we didn't have that. Which is why I think we would have gone down regardless.


Fair enough

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:10 pm

Natman Blue wrote:
darboy wrote:It would not have been pretty but I am convinced malky would have got the points to make us safe. :old:


His points average was 0.94 per game, still relelgation from!

35.72 points over a season..round that up to 36 and that was us safe.

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:17 pm

TripleD wrote:
Natman Blue wrote:
darboy wrote:It would not have been pretty but I am convinced malky would have got the points to make us safe. :old:


His points average was 0.94 per game, still relelgation from!

35.72 points over a season..round that up to 36 and that was us safe.


I'm sure Radio Wales came out with a different points total than that. I worked that figure out too mind!

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:21 pm

Our problem at this level is that we've got defenders who can't defend, and strikers who can't score goals. 29 for and 64 against tells it's own story. I think Alex Fergusson would have been fighting a losing battle with this squad of players, and it's just as well we are playing in lucky red, otherwise we could be in real trouble now.

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:25 pm

Natman Blue wrote:
TripleD wrote:
Natman Blue wrote:
darboy wrote:It would not have been pretty but I am convinced malky would have got the points to make us safe. :old:


His points average was 0.94 per game, still relelgation from!

35.72 points over a season..round that up to 36 and that was us safe.


I'm sure Radio Wales came out with a different points total than that. I worked that figure out too mind!


Still might not be enough. Won't know till the end though. Some of Ole's fixtures have been far far tougher though, you've just got to look at January

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:38 pm

Should have got Pulis!

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:49 pm

phildavies wrote:Should have got Pulis!


Pulis wouldn't have come to us

He got enough shit at stoke - why would he come to our shambles of a club

We arnt a very attractive club for anyone at the moment

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:49 pm

TripleD wrote:
Natman Blue wrote:
darboy wrote:It would not have been pretty but I am convinced malky would have got the points to make us safe. :old:


His points average was 0.94 per game, still relelgation from!

35.72 points over a season..round that up to 36 and that was us safe.


36 is a maybe figure at moment

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:09 pm

TRose69 wrote:
phildavies wrote:Should have got Pulis!


Pulis wouldn't have come to us

He got enough shit at stoke - why would he come to our shambles of a club

We arnt a very attractive club for anyone at the moment


Of course he would have come to us.

Re: malky would have kept us up

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:10 pm

why do people still spout his crap about malky? he relied on corners and free kicks to get goals but with his tactics we wasnt getting in apponants area to have any at end of his reign! using his ave points compared to ole is manipulating stats to suite arguement, as there are lots more stats that say we would be relegated under malky ! namely second worst defence in premier and goals scored! hes gone get a life ffs!!! :old: