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ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:04 pm

i find it amazing that he doesnt seem to know such basics......he seems to chop and change for the sake of it.. :ayatollah:

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:07 pm

One of the Norwegian lot said he had similiar rotational policies at Molde, its just what he does

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:16 pm

Gavin wrote:One of the Norwegian lot said he had similiar rotational policies at Molde, its just what he does

have a rotation system by all means,but it has to work....you cant do it because you want to surely,the fact that was probably the worst performance i have seen this season suggests that his policy is not working,have lost all faith in him,my opinion.. :ayatollah:

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:16 pm

He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:23 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:28 pm

krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:39 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

Exactly, Palace had plenty of options to choose from, all who have played in the PL, ours had minimal PL experience :?

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:40 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

Exactly, Palace had plenty of options to choose from, all who have played in the PL, ours had minimal PL experience :?


Milky did not buy one senior player with prem experience :shock:

Caulker of course has played a couple of seasons but is still very young.

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:42 pm

Some managers seem to over complicate football and systems. Pulis comes in and the first thing he does is sort out the defence. It's worrying he dosent know his best 11 or when to change the system or subs. Zaha should have gone off half time. The biggest thing for me is we lack a central midfielder who can boss games, link up play with the forwards. All of the midfield were rotating with each other and coming deep for the ball we just had no option in the middle they were all our on the wings. Need someone with dicipline to almost staywith the centre circle as an outlet medel is just like a 3rd cb.

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:44 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

Exactly, Palace had plenty of options to choose from, all who have played in the PL, ours had minimal PL experience :?


Milky did not buy one senior player with prem experience :shock:

Caulker of course has played a couple of seasons but is still very young.

Exactly, Taylor played for a poor PL side who got relegated, Hudson has played Championship football his whole career, Turner new to the whole scene, KTC is a flop, none of our squad had played at the highest level properly except for Campbell and he's only ever excelled in the Champ

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:44 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

Exactly, Palace had plenty of options to choose from, all who have played in the PL, ours had minimal PL experience :?

so you stick with your best starting 11...

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:45 pm

wakey77 wrote:Some managers seem to over complicate football and systems. Pulis comes in and the first thing he does is sort out the defence. It's worrying he dosent know his best 11 or when to change the system or subs. Zaha should have gone off half time. The biggest thing for me is we lack a central midfielder who can boss games, link up play with the forwards. All of the midfield were rotating with each other and coming deep for the ball we just had no option in the middle they were all our on the wings. Need someone with dicipline to almost staywith the centre circle as an outlet medel is just like a 3rd cb.

We need Daniel Williams from Reading :ayatollah:

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:46 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

well that was malkys fault....and ole brought in who with prem experience.....??

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:48 pm

krabb wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

well that was malkys fault....and ole brought in who with prem experience.....??


Ole had 6 mil to spend, malky had over 40 :?

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:51 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

well that was malkys fault....and ole brought in who with prem experience.....??


Ole had 6 mil to spend, malky had over 40 :?

totally agree,but back to my original post,why keep rotating things when clearly you havnt got the squad....madness...start with your best 11 in the formation and positions that suit what you got..... :ayatollah:

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:53 pm

yes a starting eleven that included 7 malky players what does that tell you about the players the club signed???? trying to pick a good side fron that is nigh impossible, as it is basically a championship team as stated by lots of people on here! :old:

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:56 pm

krabb wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:


Palace bought a big squad capable of going the distance right from the start. Malky bought mmmm.... Medel and caulker :?

well that was malkys fault....and ole brought in who with prem experience.....??


Ole had 6 mil to spend, malky had over 40 :?

totally agree,but back to my original post,why keep rotating things when clearly you havnt got the squad....madness...start with your best 11 in the formation and positions that suit what you got..... :ayatollah:


Yes don't know why he is rotating so much, there's rotating and there's over rotating which I think he is doing. I think the poor quality of the squad doesn't help, if he had more quality players they would start, as he never rotates caulker, Medel, mutch etc the better players will play more often, but the thing is our team is shit and we have 3/4 good players at best, thanks to the milkman mackay.

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:58 pm

pembroke allan wrote:yes a starting eleven that included 7 malky players what does that tell you about the players the club signed???? trying to pick a good side fron that is nigh impossible, as it is basically a championship team as stated by lots of people on here! :old:

and oles signings........other than daehli....were are they...i was glad when ole came here,but yesterdays performance by both players and what seemed a clueless manager really hurt......

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:03 pm

krabb wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:yes a starting eleven that included 7 malky players what does that tell you about the players the club signed???? trying to pick a good side fron that is nigh impossible, as it is basically a championship team as stated by lots of people on here! :old:

and oles signings........other than daehli....were are they...i was glad when ole came here,but yesterdays performance by both players and what seemed a clueless manager really hurt......


Anyone with a brain knows January is the toughest time to buy players, unless you are going to throw massive amounts of money about. Didn't QPR buy samba for 12 odd mil and pay him 100k a wk, and remy for 8 odd mil and pay him 80k a week :shock: would you prefer our club risks financial ruin, and still be relegated like QPR?

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:09 pm

Pulis was a perfect fit for Palace with their players, he would have been an amazing fit with our hard working, set play squad.

Ole doesn't have the players to play his style of football. He needs a productive closed season and a good pre-season

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:45 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:yes a starting eleven that included 7 malky players what does that tell you about the players the club signed???? trying to pick a good side fron that is nigh impossible, as it is basically a championship team as stated by lots of people on here! :old:

and oles signings........other than daehli....were are they...i was glad when ole came here,but yesterdays performance by both players and what seemed a clueless manager really hurt......


Anyone with a brain knows January is the toughest time to buy players, unless you are going to throw massive amounts of money about. Didn't QPR buy samba for 12 odd mil and pay him 100k a wk, and remy for 8 odd mil and pay him 80k a week :shock: would you prefer our club risks financial ruin, and still be relegated like QPR?


ole had 14 days to sign players in january no chance of getting players in, bruce at hull had all season to ponder
what he might need to bolster his squad! pulis whilst not as long as bruce did have longer than ole, also he new premier players lot better than ole who came from another country thats the big difference between managers, you take malky he had even longer than anyone and he failed miserably to sign players in every position with larger budget, tbh in jan window what makes anyone think he would sign right players in jan? we needed centre forward couple defenders ohhh forgot he already bought them but they were not good enough to play for us! :laughing6:

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:02 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:yes a starting eleven that included 7 malky players what does that tell you about the players the club signed???? trying to pick a good side fron that is nigh impossible, as it is basically a championship team as stated by lots of people on here! :old:

and oles signings........other than daehli....were are they...i was glad when ole came here,but yesterdays performance by both players and what seemed a clueless manager really hurt......


Anyone with a brain knows January is the toughest time to buy players, unless you are going to throw massive amounts of money about. Didn't QPR buy samba for 12 odd mil and pay him 100k a wk, and remy for 8 odd mil and pay him 80k a week :shock: would you prefer our club risks financial ruin, and still be relegated like QPR?


ole had 14 days to sign players in january no chance of getting players in, bruce at hull had all season to ponder
what he might need to bolster his squad! pulis whilst not as long as bruce did have longer than ole, also he new premier players lot better than ole who came from another country thats the big difference between managers, you take malky he had even longer than anyone and he failed miserably to sign players in every position with larger budget, tbh in jan window what makes anyone think he would sign right players in jan? we needed centre forward couple defenders ohhh forgot he already bought them but they were not good enough to play for us! :laughing6:


Spot on Allan.

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:18 pm

Gavin wrote:One of the Norwegian lot said he had similiar rotational policies at Molde, its just what he does
I am gonna guess this: At Molde he had pre season so he had them drilled in various formations. Each player knew how to play in various systems so he could swap around as he liked. It should be said that someone like Martinez at Everton changes his formation a lot too. its not necessarily a bad thing,one of the players at everton talked about the difference between moyes and martinez. moyes is old school and sticks to plan A. Martinez has a lot of ideas, different formations for different opposition. So there is an argument that this is how modern football works.You would find that all the managers at the top 4 clubs have this approach to some extent, with the exception of moyes and that is why some would argue Man U are no longer a top club. The other clubs have sussed them out under moyes.
The problem for me is that ole seemed overly optimistic in implementing these ideas in the middle of a relegation battle. Players need a lot longer to get comfortable with new formations. he didn't have the right squad for possession football only a few players in the squad are technically good enough for this style of football.I am honestly surprised he wasn't savvy enough to focus on staying up. He would have had the opportunity to start building his own squad and his own style next season.

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:29 pm

Ole is out of his depth. If he stays next season put your money on another relegation. Rotation only works if you have a quality squad. In the middle of a relegation battle you need a system and the best 11 for that system in there playing. Naïve beyond belief.

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:16 pm

Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:yes a starting eleven that included 7 malky players what does that tell you about the players the club signed???? trying to pick a good side fron that is nigh impossible, as it is basically a championship team as stated by lots of people on here! :old:

and oles signings........other than daehli....were are they...i was glad when ole came here,but yesterdays performance by both players and what seemed a clueless manager really hurt......


Anyone with a brain knows January is the toughest time to buy players, unless you are going to throw massive amounts of money about. Didn't QPR buy samba for 12 odd mil and pay him 100k a wk, and remy for 8 odd mil and pay him 80k a week :shock: would you prefer our club risks financial ruin, and still be relegated like QPR?

as soon as ole was installed as manager agents would have touted for his buisness,but he decided to bring in who and what he knew,they simply were not upto premier standard,but again this is off topic..... why did he not start his best 11...simple as that.... nothing to do with who was brought in

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:42 pm

krabb wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:yes a starting eleven that included 7 malky players what does that tell you about the players the club signed???? trying to pick a good side fron that is nigh impossible, as it is basically a championship team as stated by lots of people on here! :old:

and oles signings........other than daehli....were are they...i was glad when ole came here,but yesterdays performance by both players and what seemed a clueless manager really hurt......


Anyone with a brain knows January is the toughest time to buy players, unless you are going to throw massive amounts of money about. Didn't QPR buy samba for 12 odd mil and pay him 100k a wk, and remy for 8 odd mil and pay him 80k a week :shock: would you prefer our club risks financial ruin, and still be relegated like QPR?

as soon as ole was installed as manager agents would have touted for his buisness,but he decided to bring in who and what he knew,they simply were not upto premier standard,but again this is off topic..... why did he not start his best 11...simple as that.... nothing to do with who was brought in

he did speak about that though. he said agents were taking the piss and thought the club had lots of money to spend, because of that rumour that ole was getting 25 mill to spend in jan window. Simply wasn't true, he spent 3-4 mill i think.

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:07 am

LonCar wrote:
krabb wrote:
Kenfig Blue wrote:
krabb wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:yes a starting eleven that included 7 malky players what does that tell you about the players the club signed???? trying to pick a good side fron that is nigh impossible, as it is basically a championship team as stated by lots of people on here! :old:

and oles signings........other than daehli....were are they...i was glad when ole came here,but yesterdays performance by both players and what seemed a clueless manager really hurt......


Anyone with a brain knows January is the toughest time to buy players, unless you are going to throw massive amounts of money about. Didn't QPR buy samba for 12 odd mil and pay him 100k a wk, and remy for 8 odd mil and pay him 80k a week :shock: would you prefer our club risks financial ruin, and still be relegated like QPR?

as soon as ole was installed as manager agents would have touted for his buisness,but he decided to bring in who and what he knew,they simply were not upto premier standard,but again this is off topic..... why did he not start his best 11...simple as that.... nothing to do with who was brought in

he did speak about that though. he said agents were taking the piss and thought the club had lots of money to spend, because of that rumour that ole was getting 25 mill to spend in jan window. Simply wasn't true, he spent 3-4 mill i think.

what has this got to do with ole not starting his best 11......?????????

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:18 am

krabb wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:He hasn't had a pre-season, he doesn't know their strengths

he has had over 3 months.....sorry did pulis have a pre season....we seem to lack any sort of direction.. :ayatollah:



It's a good point, Pullis has done an amazing job and would have easily kept us up.

All he did was go in find the strongest most reliable honest players, and shaped them into a team to follow instructions and stop the other team scoring, every player defends from the striker back.

His team reminded me of Malky's team at the start of the season against Man City, Spurs and Everton, two banks of four difficult to break down and let you know you had been in a game.

All match he constantly put the fourth official, linesman and ref under pressure, moaning about every tackle and getting them a few extra decisions.

He did the same at Stoke it's not pretty but it is effective in keeping a team in the premier League.

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:13 am

dsw110885 wrote:Ole is out of his depth. If he stays next season put your money on another relegation. Rotation only works if you have a quality squad. In the middle of a relegation battle you need a system and the best 11 for that system in there playing. Naïve beyond belief.


its become a big concern of mine too..its not just he doesnt know his best 11,its he hasnt whittled it down at all,and its different players playing different roles each week..i think he has used 24 players so far,3 of those have left, but mystic meg would not be able to predict nxt weeks team..........john,cala,fabio,bellers,whitts,kim,gunner,eikrem,noone, cowie.. none of whom started saturday but you cannot discount from starting nxt saturday......

Re: ole doesnt know his best starting 11 after 3 months

Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:23 am

Ole will come good evan if we do go down which looks likely a season in the championship to rebulid and get the style of players that suits his style of football then if we go back up we would have a better chance of staying up playing oles style rather than the defensive style of malky.