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Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:07 am
Ole has to take the blame for our likely relegation, Malky put us in a decent position, yes we were at the bottom end of the table but Ole was in charge for the most winnable games of the season. Games that needed to be won have been lost through some bad tactical decisions, poor team choices and yesterday the team in my opinion looking demoralised, must win games have been lost in a very embarrassing manor none more than the Hull and Palace home games. Malky must take partial responsible for our lack of firepower and the terrible and budget blowing signing of Cornelius, but Ole had the transfer window to utilise and what did he do? He signed 7 players none of which finished the game yesterday! Do we trust him to lead us next season? I’m not so sure to be honest.
I know that people want to blame VT for everything, but in my opinion he has had no effect on our relegation, he gave his managers the tools to compete at this level and they were not used effectively enough.
Speaking of Tan's investments I really think they need to reconsider this stadium capacity increase, leave the framework for the extension in place, but hold the work off until we can assess the situation next season, I notice that the 'new found ccfc fans' on Facebook (armchair fans) are starting to go back to the YNWA posts or defending/attacking Moyes etc., the club stupidly priced these potential customers out of the market for next season. (I know we may not want that sort of fan at the CCS but the club just wants bums on seats)
The rebrand was a terrible thing, but even putting that aside this season has been a joke, loads of bad publicity due to some crazy comments from a board horribly inexperienced in football matters, and the sacking of Mackay that was not popular with the media who seemed to like Malky as many of us fans did, he oozed charisma and had a great rapport with fans and players alike. I have a feeling that if Ole wasn’t the playing legend he is, the media would be FAR more critical than they have been of him.
If the club decide to keep him in place next season he will have my full support, but I think they need to give it some serious consideration.
Im not saying Malky should not have been sacked, after that 3-0 defeat against Southamption I thought the team looked like it needed freshening up with someone new at the helm, but lets not forget that Tan had already begaun the process of embarrassing and driving Malky out, if he had had the boards support throughout the season I think he may have done a better job, that being said hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:13 am
Everyone is to blame.
malky, tan, ole, players and fans. We all played some part in this season and we all fucked it up.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:15 am
CraigCCFC wrote:Everyone is to blame.
malky, tan, ole, players and fans. We all played some part in this season and we all fucked it up.
Agreed, we all had a part to play, but Ole is at the helm, and thats just football, the buck stops with him
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:19 am
As I have posted previously on the forum many times.
Tan should take most of the responsibility and Ole with the home games he had available had without a doubt the opportunity
to keep us up, West Ham, Norwich C, Aston Villa,Hull C,Fulham,Crystal Palace and still Stoke to play, all winnable games.
Sadly Ole failed and sadly its a fact and yes it hurts.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:24 am
Forever Blue wrote:As I have posted previously on the forum many times.
Tan should take most of the responsibility and Ole with the home games he had available had without a doubt the opportunity
to keep us up, West Ham, Norwich C, Aston Villa,Hull C,Fulham,Crystal Palace and still Stoke to play, all winnable games.
Sadly Ole failed and sadly its a fact and yes it hurts.
Annis you correct when you see the home games Ole had to play against nobody can argue that he had a good chance of getting the points but he has failed to do so.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:26 am
So the question is Annis and Carl. Will you give Ole time like you gave Malky?
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:29 am
CraigCCFC wrote:Everyone is to blame.
malky, tan, ole, players and fans. We all played some part in this season and we all fucked it up.
Correct
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:30 am
CraigCCFC wrote:So the question is Annis and Carl. Will you give Ole time like you gave Malky?
Sadly Ole talks a good game but cant back it up.
If Ole is our manager next season I will fully back him, but that does not mean I agree that he is the right man Craig as I dont agree, which is my opinion, but he has my full support and the team as always
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:32 am
CraigCCFC wrote:So the question is Annis and Carl. Will you give Ole time like you gave Malky?
In Malky's first season we had a playoff place and cup final, 2nd season we won the league, he earned his time.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:33 am
carlccfc wrote:Forever Blue wrote:As I have posted previously on the forum many times.
Tan should take most of the responsibility and Ole with the home games he had available had without a doubt the opportunity
to keep us up, West Ham, Norwich C, Aston Villa,Hull C,Fulham,Crystal Palace and still Stoke to play, all winnable games.
Sadly Ole failed and sadly its a fact and yes it hurts.
Annis you correct when you see the home games Ole had to play against nobody can argue that he had a good chance of getting the points but he has failed to do so.
Malky and ole take the blame together as far as I am concerned. Malky never addressed the striking problem from the previous season and you could also argue he had the easier away games to get something from.
After two transfer windows we were still a championship squad in my opinion and I will go as far as to say that our championship team pre Xmas last year would have beat yesterday's team comfortably
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:33 am
Gavin wrote:CraigCCFC wrote:So the question is Annis and Carl. Will you give Ole time like you gave Malky?
In Malky's first season we had a playoff place and cup final, 2nd season we won the league, he earned his time.
100% Spot on Gavin.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:33 am
Gavin wrote:CraigCCFC wrote:So the question is Annis and Carl. Will you give Ole time like you gave Malky?
In Malky's first season we had a playoff place and cup final, 2nd season we won the league, he earned his time.
He was afforded 3 transfer windows before a game was even played under Malky.
Ole has had one Jan, £3m and half a premier league season.
He deserves time.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:35 am
Why are you only talking in prem terms? Its not the be all and end all......you need to think long term and not the now.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:35 am
Who are his coaches.?
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:35 am
carlccfc wrote:Forever Blue wrote:As I have posted previously on the forum many times.
Tan should take most of the responsibility and Ole with the home games he had available had without a doubt the opportunity
to keep us up, West Ham, Norwich C, Aston Villa,Hull C,Fulham,Crystal Palace and still Stoke to play, all winnable games.
Sadly Ole failed and sadly its a fact and yes it hurts.
Annis you correct when you see the home games Ole had to play against nobody can argue that he had a good chance of getting the points but he has failed to do so.
In all fairness west ham was oles first game and he didn't know his squad. Malky lost twice to west ham this year
Ole got us a win against norwich - malky drew
Ole Got us a point against aston villa - malky lost
Ole lost to hull - malky drew
Ole beat fulham - malky beat Fulham
Ole lost To palace - malky lost to palace
Ole has a chance to get a win v stoke - malky got a draw
So against the teams you've mentioned ole has gained 7 points malky gained 6 but managed 1 more game so far.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:35 am
Craig they only gave malky time as showing support of malky was the only way they could get back at tanover the rebrand
Imo if there had been no rebrand they would of joined me in calling for malky to go after the stoke away game
They dont wont toshow support of ole becouse hes tans man hmmmmmmmmm
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:36 am
CraigCCFC wrote:So the question is Annis and Carl. Will you give Ole time like you gave Malky?
I would Craig.
I said Makky deserved the season in the Premier League, relegation or not, and judging how the season was panning out under Malky I believe he would have kept us up.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:37 am
troobloo3339 wrote:Craig they only gave malky time as showing support of malky was the only way they could get back at tanover the rebrand
Imo if there had been no rebrand they would of joined me in calling for malky to go after the stoke away game
They dont wont toshow support of ole becouse hes tans man hmmmmmmmmm

Steve, your 100% wrong regarding me on this.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:37 am
carlccfc wrote:CraigCCFC wrote:So the question is Annis and Carl. Will you give Ole time like you gave Malky?
I would Craig.
I said Makky deserved the season in the Premier League, relegation or not, and judging how the season was panning out under Malky I believe he would have kept us up.
Hats fair enough, only I disagree about Maljy keeping us up but you guessed that
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:38 am
troobloo3339 wrote:Craig they only gave malky time as showing support of malky was the only way they could get back at tanover the rebrand
Imo if there had been no rebrand they would of joined me in calling for malky to go after the stoke away game
They dont wont toshow support of ole becouse hes tans man hmmmmmmmmm

Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:40 am
CraigCCFC wrote:Everyone is to blame.
malky, tan, ole, players and fans. We all played some part in this season and we all fucked it up.
Never a true statment butt !!! I was in the corporation in canton after the game and one moron told me that he will never go to the CCS cos we should never have moved from ninian park
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:42 am
Are yousure about that annis hmmmmmmmm
Did you not agree that if malky was to be sacked he should of gone earlier than he did
Just like I agreed we sacked malky too late and should of been given the rest of the season
even though I said he should of gone after stoke away
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:51 am
Gavin wrote:Ole has to take the blame for our likely relegation, Malky put us in a decent position, yes we were at the bottom end of the table but Ole was in charge for the most winnable games of the season. Games that needed to be won have been lost through some bad tactical decisions, poor team choices and yesterday the team in my opinion looking demoralised, must win games have been lost in a very embarrassing manor none more than the Hull and Palace home games. Malky must take partial responsible for our lack of firepower and the terrible and budget blowing signing of Cornelius, but Ole had the transfer window to utilise and what did he do? He signed 7 players none of which finished the game yesterday! Do we trust him to lead us next season? I’m not so sure to be honest.
I know that people want to blame VT for everything, but in my opinion he has had no effect on our relegation, he gave his managers the tools to compete at this level and they were not used effectively enough.
Speaking of Tan's investments I really think they need to reconsider this stadium capacity increase, leave the framework for the extension in place, but hold the work off until we can assess the situation next season, I notice that the 'new found ccfc fans' on Facebook (armchair fans) are starting to go back to the YNWA posts or defending/attacking Moyes etc., the club stupidly priced these potential customers out of the market for next season. (I know we may not want that sort of fan at the CCS but the club just wants bums on seats)
The rebrand was a terrible thing, but even putting that aside this season has been a joke, loads of bad publicity due to some crazy comments from a board horribly inexperienced in football matters, and the sacking of Mackay that was not popular with the media who seemed to like Malky as many of us fans did, he oozed charisma and had a great rapport with fans and players alike. I have a feeling that if Ole wasn’t the playing legend he is, the media would be FAR more critical than they have been of him.
If the club decide to keep him in place next season he will have my full support, but I think they need to give it some serious consideration.
Im not saying Malky should not have been sacked, after that 3-0 defeat against Southamption I thought the team looked like it needed freshening up with someone new at the helm, but lets not forget that Tan had already begaun the process of embarrassing and driving Malky out, if he had had the boards support throughout the season I think he may have done a better job, that being said hindsight is a wonderful thing.
WAFFLE - TAN IS THE PERSON - BACKED BY YOUR WEAK SPINELESS. BOARD MEMBERS
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:53 am
steve davies wrote:carlccfc wrote:Forever Blue wrote:As I have posted previously on the forum many times.
Tan should take most of the responsibility and Ole with the home games he had available had without a doubt the opportunity
to keep us up, West Ham, Norwich C, Aston Villa,Hull C,Fulham,Crystal Palace and still Stoke to play, all winnable games.
Sadly Ole failed and sadly its a fact and yes it hurts.
Annis you correct when you see the home games Ole had to play against nobody can argue that he had a good chance of getting the points but he has failed to do so.
Malky and ole take the blame together as far as I am concerned. Malky never addressed the striking problem from the previous season and you could also argue he had the easier away games to get something from.
After two transfer windows we were still a championship squad in my opinion and I will go as far as to say that our championship team pre Xmas last year would have beat yesterday's team comfortably
Steve I think most people will believe that 10 wins in the Premier League would be the position to build a fight to survive from, and those 10 wins you expect the majority to come at home.
Under Malky we beat 3 sides at home, Man City, Swansea, WBA out of 9 games played.
We drew against Everton, Man Utd.
Lost narrowly to Spurs and Newcastle and got beaten convincingly by Arsenal and Southampton.
Away from home had we got 10 wins over the season then another 6-7 points on the road would probably be enough to survive.
We took 6 points under Malky away from home, we beat Fulham and drew with Hull, Norwich and Stoke.
Looking at the games we had left at home after Malky was sacked, Sunderland, West Ham, Norwich, Villa, Hull, Fulham, Palace, Stoke I was confident we would get the necessary wins to stay up.
That is not even possibly taking another single point out of the remaining away games he had left.
So to sum up Malky in my opinion would have kept us up.
Ole had the players and the team but is failing badly.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:25 am
As Craig said everyone is too blame not just ole
Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:48 am
He's too naïve to manage a club like Cardiff in the Premier League. It's clear the relationship between Tan and Mackay had broken down so he had to go - but someone with either considerable experience at the top level or an up and coming manager would've been the right appointment.
Ole has lost 9 matches out of 13. Palace, Hull and Villa were all winnable matches and the home form especially important. Will the arrogant swine take responsibility or admit he's made the wrong decision?
Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:58 am
Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:01 pm
All these assumptions Malky would have won these home games based on what exactly?
We barely created a chance let alone score a goal against west ham, palace, villa, norwich and stoke away from home where is the reasoned logic we would have beaten them at home??!
He signed a pile of shit with the money he had given to him, and after a decent august and september we couldnt score goals, were leaking them, and were in freefall.
Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:09 pm
Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:13 pm
I some times think they brought fantasy island back for us in the premier league
oh look boss(malky)the plane (fist pump)
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