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' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:55 pm

DAILY MAIL Thursday 3rd April 2014.
EXCLUSIVE: Sunderland rocked as it emerges North-East club fielded Ji while Korean was ineligible


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Thursday 3rd April 2014.

They're facing a points deduction for fielding an ineligible player four times.

Plus even further bad news for Sunderland
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Sunderland are in turmoil after it emerged that they played an ineligible player in four Barclays Premier League matches.

Striker Ji Dong-won played against Fulham (August 17), Southampton (August 24), Crystal Palace (August 31) and Manchester United (October 5) before realising he did not have international clearance to play.

Club secretary Liz Coley was fired by owner Ellis Short after the extraordinary administrative error left Sunderland facing a Premier League investigation.

The Black Cats have breached Premier League rule B14.5 and U11 following the incredible error.

Sunderland are battling against relegation from the top flight and this incredible story will place the spotlight on Gus Poyet's side before their fixture at Tottenham on Monday evening.

Incredibly he also played in a 4-2 victory over MK Dons in the Capital One Cup on Tuesday August 27 when he wasn’t eligible to play.

Sunderland then went on an extraordinary Capital One Cup run under new manager Gus Poyet and reached the final, where they narrowly lost to Manchester City.

MK Dons are understood to be furious that Sunderland have not been punished by the Football League by throwing them out of the competition when the error was eventually spotted.

Ji played in four matches before the administrative error was spotted by Sunderland and had helped them earn one point - against Southampton on Saturday August 24 - when the forward should not have been fielded.

WHAT THE LEAGUE SAYS
The Premier League Handbook 2013/14 states:
Relationship between Clubs and the League
B.14.5. the statutes and regulations of FIFA.
International registration transfer certificates
U.11. An application to register a player who last played for a club affiliated to a national association other than the Football Association shall be accompanied by written confirmation from the Football Association that an international registration transfer certificate has been issued in respect of the player.

The South Korea striker, who joined Sunderland in 2011, was sent out on loan to German club Augsburg last season.

When he returned Sunderland had to wait for international clearance before he could play for them again, but they never got it.

Instead former manager Paolo di Canio selected him for the four fixtures and the mistake was not spotted until they had lost 2-1 at home to Manchester United on Saturday October 5.

Sunderland immediately confessed and were fined under-radar by the Premier League board in December.

Although it is understood that the fine is substantial, fellow relegation strugglers will believe that the integrity of the Premier League has been questioned.

According to the official Premier League handbook, rule B14. states 'membership of the League shall constitute an agreement between the League and clubs and (comply) with... B.14.5: the statutes and regulations of FIFA;'

Rule U11 applies to international registration and transfer certificates, which states:

'U.11. An application to register a player who last played for a club affiliated to a national association other than the Football Association shall be accompanied by written confirmation from the Football Association that an international registration transfer certificate has been issued in respect of the player.'

Sunderland did not have the written confirmation from the German FA that the player's international clearance had been received.

It meant that he should not have played in any of Sunderland's fixtures - in the Premier League or FA Cup - until they had received international clearance.

Sunderland are 19th in the League with 25 points and are facing a massive battle against relegation to the Championship.

PRECEDENT FOR PREVIOUS BREACHES OF THE RULES

December 1999

West Ham’s Manny Omoyinmi came on as a 113th-minute substitute of the League Cup quarter-final against Aston Villa, which the Hammers won on penalties. Omoyinmi had already played in the competition while on loan at Gillingham and the tie was rearranged. Villa won the second match 3-1.

May 2010

Hartlepool were deducted three points and received a suspended £10,000 fine after playing Gary Liddle in a 2-0 win over Brighton. Liddle should have been serving a suspension after picking up 10 bookings.

April 2011

Hereford and Torquay were both docked points for fielding ineligible players in the same League Two match. Hereford won 3-1, with their ineligible player scoring once, and were deducted three points and fined £10,000. Torquay lost a point and were fined £7,500.

February 2012

Tottenham were kicked out of the NextGen youth series after fielding an ineligible player and Liverpool took their place.

December 2013

Birmingham withdrew from the Under 21 Premier League Cup after on-loan Aaron Mclean scored twice as they beat Newcastle to move into the last 16. But Mclean had played for his parent club Hull in the second qualifying round.

PS. Sunderland were the first league club to be deducted points. In 1890, goalkeeper John ‘Ned’ Doig played for them but his registration had not met the seven day notice required.

Re: Sunderland facing points deduction

Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:57 pm

Is this true? :P

Re: Sunderland facing points deduction

Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:59 pm

Cardiff Blues wrote:Is this true? :P


Yep. Fielded Ji Dong-won 4 times without international clearance apparently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... gible.html

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:09 pm

Surely as these games were back in August, any punishment would have been dished out by now?

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:10 pm

if it was dealt with 6 months ago..and Sunderland were allowed to go all the way to the final of the Capital One Cup with all its financial reward..why would it be back on the table for a points deduction now?

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:18 pm

is this an old story re-surfacing or new news, any links to recent media ?

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:20 pm

The Premier 1 wrote:is this an old story re-surfacing or new news, any links to recent media ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... gible.html

Tonight on Daily Mail website Nips :thumbup:

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:25 pm

i got a funny feeling this is the Sun's doing. Never upset the tabloids when you got skeletons in your closet.

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Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:37 pm

The points deduction will take place nxt season no doubt.

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:38 pm

BBC sport said there's no point deduction

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:38 pm

They've been fined. End of.

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:06 pm

Sunderland will probably get the same guy who helped west ham and qpr out of the shit.

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:34 pm

Sky Sports News has learned that Sunderland were fined for fielding an ineligible player in the Premier League earlier this season.

The Black Cats failed to get international clearance after Ji Dong-Won returned to the club after a loan spell with Augsburg in Germany last season.

The South Korean striker reportedly played in the first three matches of the season against Fulham, Crystal Palace and Southampton, as well as the clash with Manchester United in October, without international clearance.

Sunderland alerted the Premier League to the error and were fined.

They will face no further punishment and the matter is now closed.

Ji, who completed a permanent move back to Augsburg in January, also played in the 4-2 victory over MK Dons in the first round of the Capital One Cup in August, a win which sparked Sunderland's run all the way to the final in which they lost to Manchester City last month.

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:46 am

I wouldn't say this is over just yet

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:27 am

If that muppet Kerslak didnt go into Malky mode against them on the 28th we would be 3 points better off than the cunts anyway and not be hoping for points deductions for administrative errors :x

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:32 am

It's on Talk Sport now - BUT THEY ARE NOT HAVING POINTS DEDUCTED! They played him 5 times but are only being fined.

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:08 am

CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:If that muppet Kerslak didnt go into Malky mode against them on the 28th we would be 3 points better off than the cunts anyway and not be hoping for points deductions for administrative errors :x


Malky was operating him on remote control from a distance :lol: :lol:

Re: ' Sunderland facing points deduction '

Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:29 am

Pontyclun Blue wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:If that muppet Kerslak didnt go into Malky mode against them on the 28th we would be 3 points better off than the cunts anyway and not be hoping for points deductions for administrative errors :x


Malky was operating him on remote control from a distance :lol: :lol:

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