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Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:16 pm

I can bet that if Mutch was playing for a top 6 side like Barkley, he'd have gotten an England call up.

Who do you think is better?

Jordon Mutch has made 29 PL appearances, and scored 7 goals and assisted five.

Ross Barkley has made 27 PL appearances, and scored 5 and assisted none.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:20 pm

Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:21 pm

Yep, Barkley by a fair distance.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:22 pm

Barlkleys on 19. 3 years behind Mutch.

In 3 years I can see Barkley bossing the premier league

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:29 pm

Barkley for now, but Mutch is turning into a fantastic midfielder and does have a very bright future :bluescarf:

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:30 pm

Barkley. But an unfair comparison really.


What about mutch v Henderson?

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:54 pm

I feel Mutch is definately one for the future lets hope we can keep hold of him.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:08 pm

Barkley by far, Mutch is a real threat and is turning into a fantastic attacking midfielder but Barkley is on another level. I hope Hodgson doesn't have him in his plans because he could do something special for England in the summer.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:01 pm

CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:06 pm

Not much in it but Barkley is probably the better player. Saying that though, if you swapped the two and put Mutch in a team full of stars and Barkley in a team full of Championship players/Low end prem players, I think Mutch would shine more.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:11 pm

Both superb players and may well play for England together one day. That being said Barley is really exciting and makes things happen, Mutch has a lot of dross playing around him so it's more difficult.

Mutch is a future international and will not be staying with us in the Championship should we go down.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:41 am

popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Football is played on grass not on a PC

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:35 am

I think Barkley is currently better but on his day Mutch is unplayable.

Like Vieira.

He is getting moved about all over the place though. He is not and never will be a defensive type player.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:06 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Both superb players and may well play for England together one day. That being said Barley is really exciting and makes things happen, Mutch has a lot of dross playing around him so it's more difficult.

Mutch is a future international and will not be staying with us in the Championship should we go down.


Bang on the money as always, agree with this.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:54 am

CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Football is played on grass not on a PC

The stats just back up my view of both players. I see Barkley as a more selfish player which is backed up by his stats on assists and passing, whereas Mutch is a more complete player, hence the good stats across the board. Also, when you take into consideration that Mutch has achieved this playing for a team fighting against relegation as opposed to a team fighting for a Champion's League place, then his performance and stats could be considered to be even better.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:07 am

popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Football is played on grass not on a PC

The stats just back up my view of both players. I see Barkley as a more selfish player which is backed up by his stats on assists and passing, whereas Mutch is a more complete player, hence the good stats across the board. Also, when you take into consideration that Mutch has achieved this playing for a team fighting against relegation as opposed to a team fighting for a Champion's League place, then his performance and stats could be considered to be even better.


Actually, go and get the stats for the whole season and Barkley has a the better stats. Better pass, dribble and cross percentage than Mutch, gets fouled more, gets more shots off.etc so if you are going to use stats at least use the whole season, and not their last 4 games.

Pathetic piece of blogging by that Dan Lewis fella.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/43742

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/92547/

If you want to claim grey areas like the teams they are playing in, then assists are also a massively grey are as you are reliant on somebody else finishing off the chances you create.

I think Barkley is a far better player because hes faster, more powerful and better technically.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:50 am

This is why you don't rely purely on stats to rate a player/compare players. :thumbup:

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:05 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:This is why you don't rely purely on stats to rate a player/compare players. :thumbup:


Exactly :thumbup:

Id rather judge a player with my own eyes, not figures on a screen. Far too many variables where stats are concerned.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:58 am

Very biast on here lol.

ross barkley is a different class.
When he gets the ball he has control like no other

mutch is incomparable,
But he scores goals which is good.

At the end if the day you could have a league one midfielder in the prem reknowned for his goal scoring and he would score

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:22 am

Very biast on here lol.

ross barkley is a different class.
When he gets the ball he has control like no other

mutch is incomparable,
But he scores goals which is good.

At the end if the day you could have a league one midfielder in the prem reknowned for his goal scoring and he would score

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:29 am

popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Not just about stats tho is it

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:34 am

Mutch has a lot to improve on and until he can get over his injuries properly he will never be a top player because he wont get the consistancy. Im glad to see he is adding goals to his game though.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:49 pm

CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Football is played on grass not on a PC

The stats just back up my view of both players. I see Barkley as a more selfish player which is backed up by his stats on assists and passing, whereas Mutch is a more complete player, hence the good stats across the board. Also, when you take into consideration that Mutch has achieved this playing for a team fighting against relegation as opposed to a team fighting for a Champion's League place, then his performance and stats could be considered to be even better.


Actually, go and get the stats for the whole season and Barkley has a the better stats. Better pass, dribble and cross percentage than Mutch, gets fouled more, gets more shots off.etc so if you are going to use stats at least use the whole season, and not their last 4 games.

Pathetic piece of blogging by that Dan Lewis fella.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/43742

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/92547/

If you want to claim grey areas like the teams they are playing in, then assists are also a massively grey are as you are reliant on somebody else finishing off the chances you create.

I think Barkley is a far better player because hes faster, more powerful and better technically.

Much is 62nd and Barkley is 65th in the EPL player rankings when all the matches are used, so he is still ahead.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:57 pm

popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Football is played on grass not on a PC

The stats just back up my view of both players. I see Barkley as a more selfish player which is backed up by his stats on assists and passing, whereas Mutch is a more complete player, hence the good stats across the board. Also, when you take into consideration that Mutch has achieved this playing for a team fighting against relegation as opposed to a team fighting for a Champion's League place, then his performance and stats could be considered to be even better.


Actually, go and get the stats for the whole season and Barkley has a the better stats. Better pass, dribble and cross percentage than Mutch, gets fouled more, gets more shots off.etc so if you are going to use stats at least use the whole season, and not their last 4 games.

Pathetic piece of blogging by that Dan Lewis fella.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/43742

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/92547/

If you want to claim grey areas like the teams they are playing in, then assists are also a massively grey are as you are reliant on somebody else finishing off the chances you create.

I think Barkley is a far better player because hes faster, more powerful and better technically.

Much is 62nd and Barkley is 65th in the EPL player rankings when all the matches are used, so he is still ahead.


Oh so it depends on which stats you refer to now as to who is the better player :lol:

Whatever next. Mutch is a better player because he has more dream team points than Barkley :lol:

I think what this does prove is you cannot rely on stats. :thumbup:

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:17 pm

CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Football is played on grass not on a PC

The stats just back up my view of both players. I see Barkley as a more selfish player which is backed up by his stats on assists and passing, whereas Mutch is a more complete player, hence the good stats across the board. Also, when you take into consideration that Mutch has achieved this playing for a team fighting against relegation as opposed to a team fighting for a Champion's League place, then his performance and stats could be considered to be even better.


Actually, go and get the stats for the whole season and Barkley has a the better stats. Better pass, dribble and cross percentage than Mutch, gets fouled more, gets more shots off.etc so if you are going to use stats at least use the whole season, and not their last 4 games.

Pathetic piece of blogging by that Dan Lewis fella.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/43742

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/92547/

If you want to claim grey areas like the teams they are playing in, then assists are also a massively grey are as you are reliant on somebody else finishing off the chances you create.

I think Barkley is a far better player because hes faster, more powerful and better technically.


When considering assists, then as Everton have scored 49 to CCFC's 29 then it is obviously easier to get an assist playing for
Everton with their much higher finishing rate, yet Barkley has no assists because he dribbles too much and is selfish with the ball. Mutch on the other hand has more assists and more through balls, yet fewer assists and less pass completion as he goes for the killer ball through to a team mate. Hence, more goals and assists for Mutch and more points for his team. A far better player.

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:25 pm

ross barkley plays for a better team with better players! So therefore it makes him look better...
If Barkley played for Cardiff..he wont look as good as he is!

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:38 pm

popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Football is played on grass not on a PC

The stats just back up my view of both players. I see Barkley as a more selfish player which is backed up by his stats on assists and passing, whereas Mutch is a more complete player, hence the good stats across the board. Also, when you take into consideration that Mutch has achieved this playing for a team fighting against relegation as opposed to a team fighting for a Champion's League place, then his performance and stats could be considered to be even better.


Actually, go and get the stats for the whole season and Barkley has a the better stats. Better pass, dribble and cross percentage than Mutch, gets fouled more, gets more shots off.etc so if you are going to use stats at least use the whole season, and not their last 4 games.

Pathetic piece of blogging by that Dan Lewis fella.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/43742

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/92547/

If you want to claim grey areas like the teams they are playing in, then assists are also a massively grey are as you are reliant on somebody else finishing off the chances you create.

I think Barkley is a far better player because hes faster, more powerful and better technically.


When considering assists, then as Everton have scored 49 to CCFC's 29 then it is obviously easier to get an assist playing for
Everton with their much higher finishing rate, yet Barkley has no assists because he dribbles too much and is selfish with the ball. Mutch on the other hand has more assists and more through balls, yet fewer assists and less pass completion as he goes for the killer ball through to a team mate. Hence, more goals and assists for Mutch and more points for his team. A far better player.


Barkley is faster, more powerful, better passer and better with the ball at his feet. :thumbup:

Thats why he will be going to the World Cup and Mutch wont :thumbup:

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:42 pm

CardiffBatman888 wrote:ross barkley plays for a better team with better players! So therefore it makes him look better...
If Barkley played for Cardiff..he wont look as good as he is!


Ross Barkley plays for a better team, with better players because he IS a better player :thumbup:

Whatever next. Lukaku only score more than Campbell because hes got better service? :lol:

Re: Jordon Mutch v Ross Barkley

Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:58 pm

CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:Barkley is a far better player than Mutch

THE STATS SHOW THAT MUTCH IS THE BETTER PLAYER:-
http://www.shoot.co.uk/mutch-key-to-cardiff-survival/


Football is played on grass not on a PC

The stats just back up my view of both players. I see Barkley as a more selfish player which is backed up by his stats on assists and passing, whereas Mutch is a more complete player, hence the good stats across the board. Also, when you take into consideration that Mutch has achieved this playing for a team fighting against relegation as opposed to a team fighting for a Champion's League place, then his performance and stats could be considered to be even better.


Actually, go and get the stats for the whole season and Barkley has a the better stats. Better pass, dribble and cross percentage than Mutch, gets fouled more, gets more shots off.etc so if you are going to use stats at least use the whole season, and not their last 4 games.

Pathetic piece of blogging by that Dan Lewis fella.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/43742

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/92547/

If you want to claim grey areas like the teams they are playing in, then assists are also a massively grey are as you are reliant on somebody else finishing off the chances you create.

I think Barkley is a far better player because hes faster, more powerful and better technically.


When considering assists, then as Everton have scored 49 to CCFC's 29 then it is obviously easier to get an assist playing for
Everton with their much higher finishing rate, yet Barkley has no assists because he dribbles too much and is selfish with the ball. Mutch on the other hand has more assists and more through balls, yet fewer assists and less pass completion as he goes for the killer ball through to a team mate. Hence, more goals and assists for Mutch and more points for his team. A far better player.


Barkley is faster, more powerful, better passer and better with the ball at his feet. :thumbup:

Thats why he will be going to the World Cup and Mutch wont :thumbup:

Barkley is only a better passer when he is not in sight of goal, which is why he doesn't have the assists or through ball stats. He won't take the risks for the team only for himself and the team suffers. Football is a team game and Mutch is a team player who will put a team mate in on goal rather than trying to do the impossible and dribbling past the extra player or two and losing the chance. The stats back this up, which is why Mutch has more assists and through balls, but a slightly worse passing rate through trying the killer passes and less dribbles as he knows when to pass.