10%? You're having a laugh!!

Some estimates of fans' support for return to blue are around 10%.

Let's be generous here:
28,000 at the match yesterday. Assume they were all Cardiff fans (which they weren't!)
4,000 minimum on the protest march.
That's 7th of the total fans at the ground felt strongly enough to wear blue and march.

Some, like me, intended to be there but didn't quite make it (sorry again).

Estimates of total fanbase for Cardiff City FC are anywhere upto 1,000,000.
Again, let's be generous and call it 700,000.

See where I'm going with this?

7th of that is 100,000 if the proportions are replicated across the fan base.

14.3% on generous estimates is still a chunk.

Actually, the pro-blue proportion is much bigger but too scared to speak out.

What do you think?

28k attendance, not far off 3k liverpool fans, so your sums are bollocks

28k attendance, not far off 3k liverpool fans, so your sums are bollocks

I know! Read it carefully. If I reduced total Cardiff fans to 25k, it is even more of a proportion.

Nothing wrong with my maths. Truth is it increases the % to 16!!

28k attendance, not far off 3k liverpool fans, so your sums are bollocks

I know! Read it carefully. If I reduced total Cardiff fans to 25k, it is even more of a proportion.

Nothing wrong with my maths. Truth is it increases the % to 16!!

Read it again, carefully as you requested and still cant see a mention of 25k.

28k attendance, not far off 3k liverpool fans, so your sums are bollocks

I know! Read it carefully. If I reduced total Cardiff fans to 25k, it is even more of a proportion.

Nothing wrong with my maths. Truth is it increases the % to 16!!

Read it again, carefully as you requested and still cant see a mention of 25k.

I didn't say I'd mentioned it!!
You aren't getting my point. I have an over-generous skew to the thing by increasing the total amount and even when I did, the 10% was totally wrong.

I did state that I had assumed all fans were CCFC and added "(which they weren't)"

My argument is FOR Cardiff.

As said earlier 1 million marched against the war in Iraq doesn't mean 60 million supported it

It would be better to count the amount of people who held up scarves and sang blue songs, I think that would be a more reasonable number around 50% to 80%

As said earlier 1 million marched against the war in Iraq doesn't mean 60 million supported it

It would be better to count the amount of people who held up scarves and sang blue songs, I think that would be a more reasonable number around 50% to 80%

I've no idea how many sang blue songs but from the pictures I've seen while the display of scarves looked impressive it was nowhere nesr 50% and certainly not 80%

As said earlier 1 million marched against the war in Iraq doesn't mean 60 million supported it

It would be better to count the amount of people who held up scarves and sang blue songs, I think that would be a more reasonable number around 50% to 80%

And as they were rightly told....

Its not about supporting it, its is about not opposing it. And those that didnt march yet were there onlooking - didnt oppose it.

Holding up a cardiff scarf is not an opposition.

As said earlier 1 million marched against the war in Iraq doesn't mean 60 million supported it

It would be better to count the amount of people who held up scarves and sang blue songs, I think that would be a more reasonable number around 50% to 80%

And as they were rightly told....

Its not about supporting it, its is about not opposing it. And those that didnt march yet were there onlooking - didnt oppose it.

Holding up a cardiff scarf is not an opposition.

Seriously. Just shut up.

The blue scarf display in the first half against Liverpool said it all. The vast majority are against the rebrand.

As said earlier 1 million marched against the war in Iraq doesn't mean 60 million supported it

It would be better to count the amount of people who held up scarves and sang blue songs, I think that would be a more reasonable number around 50% to 80%

And as they were rightly told....

Its not about supporting it, its is about not opposing it. And those that didnt march yet were there onlooking - didnt oppose it.

Holding up a cardiff scarf is not an opposition.

Seriously. Just shut up.

I never stop saying it how it is. I suggest the ignore facility.

Fact is, no more than 15% opposed it Saturday when it mattered.

The blue scarf display in the first half against Liverpool said it all. The vast majority are against the rebrand.

Its one thing being against it and another to oppose it.

If given the choice of continued investment or blue back the majority of those that held up a scarf would choose the former - hence why they didnt go out of their way to oppose it by attending the organised march.

People will have a go at me but that is just the way it is, and deep down everyone knows that.

The blue scarf display in the first half against Liverpool said it all. The vast majority are against the rebrand.

Its one thing being against it and another to oppose it.

If given the choice of continued investment or blue back the majority of those that held up a scarf would choose the former - hence why they didnt go out of their way to oppose it by attending the organised march.

People will have a go at me but that is just the way it is, and deep down everyone knows that.

That's just one huge assumption though, you don't know that. A lot has changed within our fanbase since the rebrand happened nearly two years ago, especially this season with Tan in the spotlight.

The fact is that everyone who held up a blue scarf or even just wore blue are against the rebrand, and that was 90% of the home attendance. Whether they attended the march or not doesn't matter, they're against it. It just seems like you're clutching at straws now and I know you're better than that.

The blue scarf display in the first half against Liverpool said it all. The vast majority are against the rebrand.

Its one thing being against it and another to oppose it.

If given the choice of continued investment or blue back the majority of those that held up a scarf would choose the former - hence why they didnt go out of their way to oppose it by attending the organised march.

People will have a go at me but that is just the way it is, and deep down everyone knows that.

That's just one huge assumption though, you don't know that. A lot has changed within our fanbase since the rebrand happened nearly two years ago, especially this season with Tan in the spotlight.

The fact is that everyone who held up a blue scarf or even just wore blue are against the rebrand, and that was 90% of the home attendance. Whether they attended the march or not doesn't matter, they're against it. It just seems like you're clutching at straws now and I know you're better than that.

Like I said, its completely different to be against it and to oppose it. Im against the fur trade but I cant say I've ever opposed it. Not for one second am i suggesting 85% WANT red, just that 85% dont OPPOSE red, whether thats reluctant acceptance or an active want is irrelevant.

Most people wear club colours to a match, thats what football supporters do. A lot of your fanbase probably only has the blue kit as they dont buy new strips every year. Wearing the away kit that they are selling in the club shop is not a protest.

There was an opposition movement 100's of yards away from where the 26,000 home fans were and only 10%-15% showed up. You cant call someone wearing the away colours as opposition to it because that is something that happens in every club up and down the country. Its easy to hold a scarf a loft, but how many would go out of their way actively fight for the return of blue.... 10-15% on saturdays showing, which is exactly what Tan thought and the reason he has been allowed to implement his ideas so easily.

This isnt a left field opinion, it is a clear observation.

And if you look again at the pictures how many are actually holding up scarfs??

Another thread fucked up by the know it all roathy ,what a clown ,the resident virus of the forum

Another thread fucked up by the know it all roathy ,what a clown ,the resident virus of the forum

because ive said the truth?

Bless.

The blue scarf display in the first half against Liverpool said it all. The vast majority are against the rebrand.

Exactly. That was an advertised part of the protest and the vast majority actively participated in it. Holding your scarf aloft in such a manner isn't something you do normally during a game.

To think that only the ones who marched are against the rebrand, is naive to me.

The blue scarf display in the first half against Liverpool said it all. The vast majority are against the rebrand.

Exactly. That was an advertised part of the protest and the vast majority actively participated in it. Holding your scarf aloft in such a manner isn't something you do normally during a game.

To think that only the ones who marched are against the rebrand, is naive to me.

Its easy to do and fun to do, if people were doing it in a normal match you would get people to follow, same if you started swinging your scarf above your head.

Holding a scarf up is not opposing something. That much is clear. People are really confusing not liking something and opposing something.

If the scarf holders were that against it then why not join in the march a mere hundred yards away?

If given the choice of continued investment or blue, i can guarantee you the majority of "scarf" holder would choose the former.

Its easy to do and fun to do, if people were doing it in a normal match you would get people to follow, same if you started swinging your scarf above your head.

Holding a scarf up is not opposing something. That much is clear. People are really confusing not liking something and opposing something.

If the scarf holders were that against it then why not join in the march a mere hundred yards away?

If given the choice of continued investment or blue, i can guarantee you the majority of "scarf" holder would choose the former.

It was an advertised part of the protest. Doing so and singing the accompanying chant was a clear message that you oppose the rebrand & were joining the protest.

You wouldn't join in with the songs they sung if you were not against the rebrand. I know, there was 2 people near me who didn't join in and moaned about it.

Infact, it probably hit home to Tan far more than the march did. He couldn't ignore it & He was visibly angry about it and disappeared for a short while after from what I could see.

Its easy to do and fun to do, if people were doing it in a normal match you would get people to follow, same if you started swinging your scarf above your head.

Holding a scarf up is not opposing something. That much is clear. People are really confusing not liking something and opposing something.

If the scarf holders were that against it then why not join in the march a mere hundred yards away?

If given the choice of continued investment or blue, i can guarantee you the majority of "scarf" holder would choose the former.

It was an advertised part of the protest. Doing so and singing the accompanying chant was a clear message that you oppose the rebrand & were joining the protest.

You wouldn't join in with the songs they sung if you were not against the rebrand. I know, there was 2 people near me who didn't join in and moaned about it.

Infact, it probably hit home to Tan far more than the march did. He couldn't ignore it & He was visibly angry about it and disappeared for a short while after from what I could see.

Of course you would join in if you were against it. It is your heritage, im not sure you can call yourself a fan unless you are fond or proud of the blue.

However joining in to oppose something is quite different which is why only 10-15% did. Holding a scarf up is not an opposition at all, it is a show of pride. Holding up a scarf never changed anything, protesting has though.

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Its easy to do and fun to do, if people were doing it in a normal match you would get people to follow, same if you started swinging your scarf above your head.

Holding a scarf up is not opposing something. That much is clear. People are really confusing not liking something and opposing something.

If the scarf holders were that against it then why not join in the march a mere hundred yards away?

If given the choice of continued investment or blue, i can guarantee you the majority of "scarf" holder would choose the former.

It was an advertised part of the protest. Doing so and singing the accompanying chant was a clear message that you oppose the rebrand & were joining the protest.

You wouldn't join in with the songs they sung if you were not against the rebrand. I know, there was 2 people near me who didn't join in and moaned about it.

Infact, it probably hit home to Tan far more than the march did. He couldn't ignore it & He was visibly angry about it and disappeared for a short while after from what I could see.

Absolutely he was angry, he turned his back on the crowd, and didnt know what to do with himself.

That show of defiance needs to happen every game, not just the big ones.

10% youre having a laugh.

Holding up a scarf was part of the protest, so it was protesting. Secondly, it showed that not "a few hundred" (Tan's words) are against the rebrand.

Absolutely he was angry, he turned his back on the crowd, and didnt know what to do with himself.

That show of defiance needs to happen every game, not just the big ones.

10% youre having a laugh.

Totally agree.

Holding up a scarf was part of the protest, so it was protesting. Secondly, it showed that not "a few hundred" (Tan's words) are against the rebrand.

Of course it was, its not like people hold up their scarfs every game, I dont know why people are feeding the troll.

You can kid yourselves all you like, no skin off my nose.

Only 10-15% showed they OPPOSED the blue on the weekend. Thats just the way it is and as you will see, it was nowhere near enough to invoke change.

many more may have shown pride in the blue but the fact is they didn't feel it important enough to join the main protest march, im afraid what you are describing is not an opposition what so ever.

Far more opposed the red in the stadium. 10% you're having a laugh.

Far more opposed the red in the stadium. 10% you're having a laugh.

So happy to be against it when they dont have to move or go out of their way.

Its not an opposition.

Welcome to the general public & their apathy to do anything. If you are expecting every single person who is against the rebrand to have marched, well that's very naive.

I know several who are against the rebrand but didn't march. I'd guess that everyone else does too. Marches just aren't their "thing". Only a certain type of fan will attend marches, but that doesn't mean only those are against the rebrand.

The scarves protest gave EVERYONE at CCFC the chance to show that they are against the rebrand & boy did they!

You say that only 60% of Swans were on Petty marches... Does that mean that 40% were for Petty and his tenure? Come on.