"Red or dead proved to be lies"

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

No one they were all blind optimists!

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

Tan had been at the club a year..and the wolf was no longer right outside the door.........he never made the red or dead pledge,others did, what Tan said was to the effect he would stop putting money in and seek a buyer.
WE reluctantly accepted Tan and the red, there was no riot or protest.........
now there are those who point fingers and call names but truth is no one DID anything.
THEN was the time to act,before he started to invest big,because both last season and this he has.
i think the dead part refers to us just slipping back into debt and down the leagues, no body envisaged another buyer,i certainly didnt, so we held onto what was here Tan and red.....................there never were other investors or santa claus or the easter bunny..but boy it suits certain agendas to push that there were

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

Tan had been at the club a year..and the wolf was no longer right outside the door.........he never made the red or dead pledge,others did, what Tan said was to the effect he would stop putting money in and seek a buyer.
WE reluctantly accepted Tan and the red, there was no riot or protest.........
now there are those who point fingers and call names but truth is no one DID anything.
THEN was the time to act,before he started to invest big,because both last season and this he has.
i think the dead part refers to us just slipping back into debt and down the leagues, no body envisaged another buyer,i certainly didnt, so we held onto what was here Tan and red.....................there never were other investors or santa claus or the easter bunny..but boy it suits certain agendas to push that there were

Where is your proof? It's your opinion and it is just as likely that the opposite is true. Don't worry about Santa Claus or the Easter bunny you ended up with coco the clown.

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

Tan had been at the club a year..and the wolf was no longer right outside the door.........he never made the red or dead pledge,others did, what Tan said was to the effect he would stop putting money in and seek a buyer.
WE reluctantly accepted Tan and the red, there was no riot or protest.........
now there are those who point fingers and call names but truth is no one DID anything.
THEN was the time to act,before he started to invest big,because both last season and this he has.
i think the dead part refers to us just slipping back into debt and down the leagues, no body envisaged another buyer,i certainly didnt, so we held onto what was here Tan and red.....................there never were other investors or santa claus or the easter bunny..but boy it suits certain agendas to push that there were

Where is your proof? It's your opinion and it is just as likely that the opposite is true. Don't worry about Santa Claus or the Easter bunny you ended up with coco the clown.

my proof?.........almost 40 years in the wilderness, shit football,shit leagues and NO investment..i can not prove though that your imaginary invisible friend who always remains nameless was not half a second behind Tan with a suitcase full of lolly in the very last second that the club could be saved....you sound quite sensible on times, but this other investors stuff is a bit off even for here..

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan.. id love the blue back myself..but its a bit rich being angry and calling him a wanker when he was open about what he was to do....

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

Tan had been at the club a year..and the wolf was no longer right outside the door.........he never made the red or dead pledge,others did, what Tan said was to the effect he would stop putting money in and seek a buyer.
WE reluctantly accepted Tan and the red, there was no riot or protest.........
now there are those who point fingers and call names but truth is no one DID anything.
THEN was the time to act,before he started to invest big,because both last season and this he has.
i think the dead part refers to us just slipping back into debt and down the leagues, no body envisaged another buyer,i certainly didnt, so we held onto what was here Tan and red.....................there never were other investors or santa claus or the easter bunny..but boy it suits certain agendas to push that there were

Where is your proof? It's your opinion and it is just as likely that the opposite is true. Don't worry about Santa Claus or the Easter bunny you ended up with coco the clown.

my proof?.........almost 40 years in the wilderness, shit football,shit leagues and NO investment..i can not prove though that your imaginary invisible friend who always remains nameless was not half a second behind Tan with a suitcase full of lolly in the very last second that the club could be saved....you sound quite sensible on times, but this other investors stuff is a bit off even for here..

So no proof then just typical bluster and speculation as usual presented somehow as being factual.

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

Tan had been at the club a year..and the wolf was no longer right outside the door.........he never made the red or dead pledge,others did, what Tan said was to the effect he would stop putting money in and seek a buyer.
WE reluctantly accepted Tan and the red, there was no riot or protest.........
now there are those who point fingers and call names but truth is no one DID anything.
THEN was the time to act,before he started to invest big,because both last season and this he has.
i think the dead part refers to us just slipping back into debt and down the leagues, no body envisaged another buyer,i certainly didnt, so we held onto what was here Tan and red.....................there never were other investors or santa claus or the easter bunny..but boy it suits certain agendas to push that there were

You convieniently also forgot to mention Tan stated that he would have left us in good hands but I suppose this blows a hole in the doomsday scenario.We can all speculate that this or that would have happened but the truth is that we will never know for sure but what is important now is we concentrate on getting our colours back.

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan.. id love the blue back myself..but its a bit rich being angry and calling him a wanker when he was open about what he was to do....

If you think us being there didnt contribute to the feeling of Prem at all costs then i dispair. Some prominant Cardiff fans have now come out saying it was indeed a factor, that much is obvious.

We are now somewhat an established premier league side, just had a successful European campaign, our fans own a decent proportion of the club and have life long fans running it, we play in our righful colours, our fans all sing off the same hymn sheet, post £15m profits yearly, just won the first major trophy for a Welsh club in living memory and have a squad that oozes class.

You sold your identity for a fraction of we just have to say you are not envious of it is a bit pie in the sky.

But back to the thread, i agree - not red or dead. It was greed or the club, and greed was chosen - again.

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

Are you really asking what fans could have done?

They scrapped the plans dont forget, yet re-implimented them after a groundswell of support for the plans after they realised Tan wouldnt give them the money they needed for promotion.

Remember this...

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ed-2030569

Do remember it. When they initially backtracked personally was happy but a little concerned about our future.i am on about the average fan . not all fans are Che Guevara or revolutionary some fans just want to go and support their club. The point is if at the time every season ticket holder was balloted for instance and they had voted to accept the change for investment then the generalisation that the fans accepted it could not be denied. I never believed fully the red or dead comment but to say I wasn't worried of the clubs future would be a lie.

Do remember it. When they initially backtracked personally was happy but a little concerned about our future.i am on about the average fan . not all fans are Che Guevara or revolutionary some fans just want to go and support their club. The point is if at the time every season ticket holder was balloted for instance and they had voted to accept the change for investment then the generalisation that the fans accepted it could not be denied. I never believed fully the red or dead comment but to say I wasn't worried of the clubs future would be a lie.

Thats fine and I accept that.

However most of the ones who claim "financial security" as a reason to accept the rebrand, ive since seen them rejoice at a £10m signing and complaining Malky wouldnt be given money in Jan. the debt has tripled, maybe even quadrupled since Tan rebranded and nobody bats an eye lid.

Surely if financial security was a reason to back the rebrand then there should be widespread protests that the debt has reached this figure..... Yet not a peep.

The spending has been extravagant and there's no doubt some will get carried away with it that is a fact of life. Perhaps many thought joining the cash cow that the premiership is would solve everything. wouldn't say there hasn't been a peep but definitely a lot more could have been done. I am not knocking anyone because i have done little except turn up for games growing more disillusioned week by week. If my failing is rather be lead than rather to lead then so be it but I think there are a lot like me who disagree with nearly everything that is happening and hoping the protest in whatever form it is finally gets the backing that it should and shows that there is fight in us albeit a little later than it should have been

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

Tan had been at the club a year..and the wolf was no longer right outside the door.........he never made the red or dead pledge,others did, what Tan said was to the effect he would stop putting money in and seek a buyer.
WE reluctantly accepted Tan and the red, there was no riot or protest.........
now there are those who point fingers and call names but truth is no one DID anything.
THEN was the time to act,before he started to invest big,because both last season and this he has.
i think the dead part refers to us just slipping back into debt and down the leagues, no body envisaged another buyer,i certainly didnt, so we held onto what was here Tan and red.....................there never were other investors or santa claus or the easter bunny..but boy it suits certain agendas to push that there were

Where is your proof? It's your opinion and it is just as likely that the opposite is true. Don't worry about Santa Claus or the Easter bunny you ended up with coco the clown.

my proof?.........almost 40 years in the wilderness, shit football,shit leagues and NO investment..i can not prove though that your imaginary invisible friend who always remains nameless was not half a second behind Tan with a suitcase full of lolly in the very last second that the club could be saved....you sound quite sensible on times, but this other investors stuff is a bit off even for here..

So no proof then just typical bluster and speculation as usual presented somehow as being factual.

try reading my post ............a year after tan got involved he changed the colour......either red is accepted or he would stop investing and seek a new owner { we were in much better shape than the day the c**t arsehole wanker saved us }
of course ALL being brave and full of backbone we said thanks mr tan but no thanks
did we f**k..we took investment...then went back on it..or at least those whose words and actions mean little did

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan.. id love the blue back myself..but its a bit rich being angry and calling him a wanker when he was open about what he was to do....

If you think us being there didnt contribute to the feeling of Prem at all costs then i dispair. Some prominant Cardiff fans have now come out saying it was indeed a factor, that much is obvious.

We are now somewhat an established premier league side, just had a successful European campaign, our fans own a decent proportion of the club and have life long fans running it, we play in our righful colours, our fans all sing off the same hymn sheet, post £15m profits yearly, just won the first major trophy for a Welsh club in living memory and have a squad that oozes class.

You sold your identity for a fraction of we just have to say you are not envious of it is a bit pie in the sky.

But back to the thread, i agree - not red or dead. It was greed or the club, and greed was chosen - again.

prominant..or post a lot...huge difference..........and easy to confuse..

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

there should have been protests there and then........not riots just a show of not being happy......what happened was people just continued to watch as if nothing had happened..........the blue at the ccs has grown since scarfgate,up until then there was hardly a whisper.. i didnt get a vote either,but neither was i outside the main entrance complaining,or did i give up my season ticket........lookingg back maybe i should have THEN.........but now..the rebrand has failed..i know it you know it..tan knows it..even that simples chuckles knows it...........its not red or blue anymore..........its tan will not relent to an abusive mob........i wouldnt either..who would?

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

there should have been protests there and then........not riots just a show of not being happy......what happened was people just continued to watch as if nothing had happened..........the blue at the ccs has grown since scarfgate,up until then there was hardly a whisper.. i didnt get a vote either,but neither was i outside the main entrance complaining,or did i give up my season ticket........lookingg back maybe i should have THEN.........but now..the rebrand has failed..i know it you know it..tan knows it..even that simples chuckles knows it...........its not red or blue anymore..........its tan will not relent to an abusive mob........i wouldnt either..who would?

I agree with you in that there should have been protests at the time. Did we as fans get caught up with arguing amongst ourselves rather than pooling our efforts to show tan how we felt. It is a massive failure and if he doesn't see it he must be blind.

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

there should have been protests there and then........not riots just a show of not being happy......what happened was people just continued to watch as if nothing had happened..........the blue at the ccs has grown since scarfgate,up until then there was hardly a whisper.. i didnt get a vote either,but neither was i outside the main entrance complaining,or did i give up my season ticket........lookingg back maybe i should have THEN.........but now..the rebrand has failed..i know it you know it..tan knows it..even that simples chuckles knows it...........its not red or blue anymore..........its tan will not relent to an abusive mob........i wouldnt either..who would?

I agree with you in that there should have been protests at the time. Did we as fans get caught up with arguing amongst ourselves rather than pooling our efforts to show tan how we felt. It is a massive failure and if he doesn't see it he must be blind.

i dont think he is blind or stupid......the rebrand didnt work, but it was his idea/brainchild, no one likes being wrong but as a business man for his entire life he has most likely been wrong in the past......this time however he has an abusive mob rubbing it in,and the more they do,the more difficult it is for him to go back..........but maybe im wrong..

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

there should have been protests there and then........not riots just a show of not being happy......what happened was people just continued to watch as if nothing had happened..........the blue at the ccs has grown since scarfgate,up until then there was hardly a whisper.. i didnt get a vote either,but neither was i outside the main entrance complaining,or did i give up my season ticket........lookingg back maybe i should have THEN.........but now..the rebrand has failed..i know it you know it..tan knows it..even that simples chuckles knows it...........its not red or blue anymore..........its tan will not relent to an abusive mob........i wouldnt either..who would?

I agree with you in that there should have been protests at the time. Did we as fans get caught up with arguing amongst ourselves rather than pooling our efforts to show tan how we felt. It is a massive failure and if he doesn't see it he must be blind.

i dont think he is blind or stupid......the rebrand didnt work, but it was his idea/brainchild, no one likes being wrong but as a business man for his entire life he has most likely been wrong in the past......this time however he has an abusive mob rubbing it in,and the more they do,the more difficult it is for him to go back..........but maybe im wrong..

The whole world knows the rebrand is a failure yet Tan cannot see it and you dont think he is blind? You claim your fellow fans are abusive yet make no mention of your beloved Tan who has robbed the club of its colours and identity yet you seem happy to ignore the abuse on Tans part. Tans days of having an easy ride in front of our fans are gone, I think you should also wake up and smell the coffee.

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

The Red or Dead was a lie, it was scaremongering and used to get fans to back the despicable rebrand.
The court cases were over and Tan was already £40-£50 mill involved with City.
I asked Alan Whitley and Malky at a meeting a few weeks after the first couple of meetings we had, had with the club, whats the worse than would happen to us, if we dont accept the rebrand, the reply was " relegation or Tan will look to sell on. " I replied in front of 30 City fans incl TLG then " I would rather take the relegation than be stripped of our identity ."

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

there should have been protests there and then........not riots just a show of not being happy......what happened was people just continued to watch as if nothing had happened..........the blue at the ccs has grown since scarfgate,up until then there was hardly a whisper.. i didnt get a vote either,but neither was i outside the main entrance complaining,or did i give up my season ticket........lookingg back maybe i should have THEN.........but now..the rebrand has failed..i know it you know it..tan knows it..even that simples chuckles knows it...........its not red or blue anymore..........its tan will not relent to an abusive mob........i wouldnt either..who would?

I agree with you in that there should have been protests at the time. Did we as fans get caught up with arguing amongst ourselves rather than pooling our efforts to show tan how we felt. It is a massive failure and if he doesn't see it he must be blind.

i dont think he is blind or stupid......the rebrand didnt work, but it was his idea/brainchild, no one likes being wrong but as a business man for his entire life he has most likely been wrong in the past......this time however he has an abusive mob rubbing it in,and the more they do,the more difficult it is for him to go back..........but maybe im wrong..

The whole world knows the rebrand is a failure yet Tan cannot see it and you dont think he is blind? You claim your fellow fans are abusive yet make no mention of your beloved Tan who has robbed the club of its colours and identity yet you seem happy to ignore the abuse on Tans part. Tans days of having an easy ride in front of our fans are gone, I think you should also wake up and smell the coffee.[/quote
he offered to seek other investors................and not invest the money............yeah i love tan.......pmsl..no its you lot that have love ins.that i find very un welsh uncardiff and more than a tad soft and infeminate.. have to go TG is on the phone..pmsl

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

there should have been protests there and then........not riots just a show of not being happy......what happened was people just continued to watch as if nothing had happened..........the blue at the ccs has grown since scarfgate,up until then there was hardly a whisper.. i didnt get a vote either,but neither was i outside the main entrance complaining,or did i give up my season ticket........lookingg back maybe i should have THEN.........but now..the rebrand has failed..i know it you know it..tan knows it..even that simples chuckles knows it...........its not red or blue anymore..........its tan will not relent to an abusive mob........i wouldnt either..who would?

I agree with you in that there should have been protests at the time. Did we as fans get caught up with arguing amongst ourselves rather than pooling our efforts to show tan how we felt. It is a massive failure and if he doesn't see it he must be blind.

i dont think he is blind or stupid......the rebrand didnt work, but it was his idea/brainchild, no one likes being wrong but as a business man for his entire life he has most likely been wrong in the past......this time however he has an abusive mob rubbing it in,and the more they do,the more difficult it is for him to go back..........but maybe im wrong..

The whole world knows the rebrand is a failure yet Tan cannot see it and you dont think he is blind? You claim your fellow fans are abusive yet make no mention of your beloved Tan who has robbed the club of its colours and identity yet you seem happy to ignore the abuse on Tans part. Tans days of having an easy ride in front of our fans are gone, I think you should also wake up and smell the coffee.[/quote
he offered to seek other investors................and not invest the money............yeah i love tan.......pmsl..no its you lot that have love ins.that i find very un welsh uncardiff and more than a tad soft and infeminate.. have to go TG is on the phone..pmsl

Like I said, Tans days of an easy ride in front of our fans are over. It may annoy you but you have the choice to stay away if it upsets your fragile constitution. And by the way I have never spoken to TG on the phone as I have only chatted to him in person.

No one likes to be wrong understandable. But this is now foolish pride getting in the way. I don't think it's an abusive mob at the moment i think the chants about him are wrong and we can look better for it by not singing them that's just my opinion. I dont think its about giving him an easy time i think our efforts ars more warranted elsewhere. At the same time the increase in blue and scarves is noticeable but it should still be more. The more chants we sing about blue will be just as good and likely to encourage the team at the same time

I have seen it mentioned on here so many times that red or dead has proven to be lies. Correct me if I am wrong, but when?

When has anybody come and said "there were other investors waiting to put money into the club if Tan walked away" Or anything along those lines?

The Red or Dead was a lie, it was scaremongering and used to get fans to back the despicable rebrand.
The court cases were over and Tan was already £40-£50 mill involved with City.
I asked Alan Whitley and Malky at a meeting a few weeks after the first couple of meetings we had, had with the club, whats the worse than would happen to us, if we dont accept the rebrand, the reply was " relegation or Tan will look to sell on. " I replied in front of 30 City fans incl TLG then " I would rather take the relegation than be stripped of our identity ."

Wasnt Tan putting in roughly £2 million a month (may have been more/less) of his own money at that time to keep the club running ?

If we had gone against the rebrand who would have put that money into the club to keep us afloat ? If Tan was the man keeping us running and there were no other investors lined up, surely it would have eventually, although not immediately, resulted in us going bust?

It has nothing to do with "investors".

The suggestion is that you didnt need one after Tan initially stumped up the £6m to stave off the courts. You had the chance to become self sufficient by selling off everything you could to pay off the £25m debts or at least make them manageable. That would have meant you probably not being able to compete at the upper end of the league.

Instead you opted for a £100m investment from Tan and accepted you would be had by the balls do do as he pleases with - this was fine at the time as you wanted to join Swansea at all costs. Now it turns out you arent very good you are all angry again and all of a sudden the clubs herritage is of vital importance (2 years AFTER the fact).

Thats the ling and the short of it

pretty much a copy of my earlier post..apart from the ridiculous notion that Swansea had anything to do with it....the day a Cardiff fan is envious of you lot will be the day fishermen can catch cows with a hook and line off Mumbles pier...
Tan didnt say red or dead...he said no red and he would not invest further and seek new investors......
its our fans have changed their minds..not Tan

Firstly with regards the financial situation of the club as much as I realised we were in the crap I didn't know the ins and outs of it and a massive amount of fans wouldn't either. So when he stepped in with the initial investment most fans were happy. For many this was not the first time they had experienced this and the real threat of us going under was a possibility..If we are saying that by turning up for the game we accepted the rebrand that's generalising massively.i can't remember anyone asking me from the club do you want to play in red for investment or blue for extinction. What could the average fan do to have made a difference. I know at the time there were some higher profile fans who embraced it but I don't think that was a example of a broad section of our fanbase. Could it be that a lot of people just wanted to see the club they had supported for years and years reluctantly with a new identity. This forum has got a wide spectrum of opinion from the ones who won't set foot in the ground while we play in red/crap badge to those who it doesn't bother what we play in. I have a lot of respect for the ones who have boycotted but wouldn't chastise anyone for wearing red either. I don't wear red or badge but Am I in the same camp as those by still going. Is attendance being seen as support for the rebrand or simply wanting to watch my team? Some fans haven't changed their minds they are just becoming more vocal.

there should have been protests there and then........not riots just a show of not being happy......what happened was people just continued to watch as if nothing had happened..........the blue at the ccs has grown since scarfgate,up until then there was hardly a whisper.. i didnt get a vote either,but neither was i outside the main entrance complaining,or did i give up my season ticket........lookingg back maybe i should have THEN.........but now..the rebrand has failed..i know it you know it..tan knows it..even that simples chuckles knows it...........its not red or blue anymore..........its tan will not relent to an abusive mob........i wouldnt either..who would?

I agree with you in that there should have been protests at the time. Did we as fans get caught up with arguing amongst ourselves rather than pooling our efforts to show tan how we felt. It is a massive failure and if he doesn't see it he must be blind.

i dont think he is blind or stupid......the rebrand didnt work, but it was his idea/brainchild, no one likes being wrong but as a business man for his entire life he has most likely been wrong in the past......this time however he has an abusive mob rubbing it in,and the more they do,the more difficult it is for him to go back..........but maybe im wrong..

The whole world knows the rebrand is a failure yet Tan cannot see it and you dont think he is blind? You claim your fellow fans are abusive yet make no mention of your beloved Tan who has robbed the club of its colours and identity yet you seem happy to ignore the abuse on Tans part. Tans days of having an easy ride in front of our fans are gone, I think you should also wake up and smell the coffee.[/quote
he offered to seek other investors................and not invest the money............yeah i love tan.......pmsl..no its you lot that have love ins.that i find very un welsh uncardiff and more than a tad soft and infeminate.. have to go TG is on the phone..pmsl

Like I said, Tans days of an easy ride in front of our fans are over. It may annoy you but you have the choice to stay away if it upsets your fragile constitution. And by the way I have never spoken to TG on the phone as I have only chatted to him in person.

the sentence should have had a full stop after TG, the rest is just you looking silly

prominant..or post a lot...huge difference..........and easy to confuse..

Prominant.

Nathan Blake was stating it just last week, not sure what his username is to count his posts though. I dont see many of the truthful ones denying our effect on the rebrand.

prominant..or post a lot...huge difference..........and easy to confuse..

Prominant.

Nathan Blake was stating it just last week, not sure what his username is to count his posts though. I dont see many of the truthful ones denying our effect on the rebrand.

the re brand happened a full year after your promotion...........Malkys 1st year when not a lot was expected........i know you yearn for us to envy you, a few may,but the majority dont.
your having your 15mins of fame ,so why are you on this board?
the answer is very obvious isnt it.