Stats showing that Cardiff is improving under OGS

Stats from NRK (http://www.nrk.no/sport/fotball/disse-t ... 1.11580045) show that Cardiff has been improving in all areas after OGS took over as a manager. The only thing not improving, is the average number of points collected, which is quite a puzzle when reading the stats below.

Here are the facts:

Before OGS Under OGS
Points per game: 0,9 0,5
Chances per game: 7,1 9,3
Shooting accuracy: 36 % 41 %
Passing accuracy: 75 % 80 %
Duels won: 47 % 50 %
Possesion: 47 % 49 %

Told you, but you wont listen

Stats from NRK (http://www.nrk.no/sport/fotball/disse-t ... 1.11580045) show that Cardiff has been improving in all areas after OGS took over as a manager. The only thing not improving, is the average number of points collected, which is quite a puzzle when reading the stats below.

Here are the facts:

Before OGS Under OGS
Points per game: 0,9 0,5
Chances per game: 7,1 9,3
Shooting accuracy: 36 % 41 %
Passing accuracy: 75 % 80 %
Duels won: 47 % 50 %
Possesion: 47 % 49 %

Very encouraging, I think we have been unlucky not to pick up a few more points, also having the toughest fixtures of the season in Jan. When Ole creates that balance between attack and defence there'll be no stopping us, these stats should shut the milky lovers up

Stats from NRK (http://www.nrk.no/sport/fotball/disse-t ... 1.11580045) show that Cardiff has been improving in all areas after OGS took over as a manager. The only thing not improving, is the average number of points collected, which is quite a puzzle when reading the stats below.

Here are the facts:

Before OGS Under OGS
Points per game: 0,9 0,5
Chances per game: 7,1 9,3
Shooting accuracy: 36 % 41 %
Passing accuracy: 75 % 80 %
Duels won: 47 % 50 %
Possesion: 47 % 49 %

Very encouraging, I think we have been unlucky not to pick up a few more points, also having the toughest fixtures of the season in Jan. When Ole creates that balance between attack and defence there'll be no stopping us, these stats should shut the milky lovers up

the balance thing is a myth and overrated! Its more down to personal foult and not being collectivly overrun..imo.. But this thread will have half the hits against the one on ogs and tan..

Stats from NRK (http://www.nrk.no/sport/fotball/disse-t ... 1.11580045) show that Cardiff has been improving in all areas after OGS took over as a manager. The only thing not improving, is the average number of points collected, which is quite a puzzle when reading the stats below.

Here are the facts:

Before OGS Under OGS
Points per game: 0,9 0,5
Chances per game: 7,1 9,3
Shooting accuracy: 36 % 41 %
Passing accuracy: 75 % 80 %
Duels won: 47 % 50 %
Possesion: 47 % 49 %

Very encouraging, I think we have been unlucky not to pick up a few more points, also having the toughest fixtures of the season in Jan. When Ole creates that balance between attack and defence there'll be no stopping us, these stats should shut the milky lovers up

the balance thing is a myth and overrated! Its more down to personal foult and not being collectivly overrun..imo.. But this thread will have half the hits against the one on ogs and tan..

Fuk the hits atleast the truth has finally come out. With a full pre season and Malkys junk sold on, Ole will create a great team capable of winning the championship next season

I'd be interested in goals scored/conceded per game and goals conceded per attempt. Are they improving too?

I'd be interested in goals scored/conceded per game and goals conceded per attempt. Are they improving too?

Why? What will that tell you?

I'd be interested in goals scored/conceded per game and goals conceded per attempt. Are they improving too?

Why? What will that tell you?

That we are improving in lots of areas, like the topic suggests

I'd be interested in goals scored/conceded per game and goals conceded per attempt. Are they improving too?

Why? What will that tell you?

That we are improving in lots of areas, like the topic suggests

Not really. When we push 10 men on west ham to equalize and get punished, it paints the same picture as we lost our first game against them with 10 men behind midfield. But personal and team stats show two total different games. Still we lost 2-0 both games. These stats show improvement, but we still miss the end product. No one would belive Eikrem was man of the match against hull. But he had the highest rating stats of both teams. Pass acur. At 84%. ..

So you've hand selected a few stats to suit your argument. Nice, but it's the one on the top that counts! At the moment, it's not as good.

So you've hand selected a few stats to suit your argument. Nice, but it's the one on the top that counts! At the moment, it's not as good.

You are right. If you dont want a full picture you dont.. No hand picked here barney! But i agree, they need to score and keep clean sheets

Ok, did some work and got some interesting results

In terms of the opposition the number of attempts haven't changed much at all, 5.7 shots on target per game under Malky 5.9 under Ole, 17.7 total attempts under Malky, 17.4 under Ole. This kind of shows that even though we look awful at defending the opposition aren't actually creating any more chances. However, the opposition are scoring every 2.8 shots on target under Ole compared with every 3.7 under Malky conceding on average 2.1 goals a game instead of 1.7 under Malky but that includes excellent conversion rates by West Ham, Man City, Man Utd and Hull.

In terms of our attacking Ole has pushed the shots on target per game up from 2.6 to 3.6 and total attempts from 10.3 to 12.0. However, we only convert shots on target into goals once every 7.3 attempts under Ole compared to 3.6 under Malky (the latter figure being very similar to opposition performance against Malky).

So if only we could convert at the same rate as the opposition like we did under Malky we would actually be better off under Ole. This is a bit of a surprise to me if I am honest.

This actually makes me feel more positive until you remember just how dire the Hull performance was and the fact that Campbell and Jones don't look like converting more regularly any time soon. I still reckon Mason is the best finisher at the club and wish we had got him more involved this season.

Ok, did some work and got some interesting results

In terms of the opposition the number of attempts haven't changed much at all, 5.7 shots on target per game under Malky 5.9 under Ole, 17.7 total attempts under Malky, 17.4 under Ole. This kind of shows that even though we look awful at defending the opposition aren't actually creating any more chances. However, the opposition are scoring every 2.8 shots on target under Ole compared with every 3.7 under Malky conceding on average 2.1 goals a game instead of 1.7 under Malky but that includes excellent conversion rates by West Ham, Man City, Man Utd and Hull.

In terms of our attacking Ole has pushed the shots on target per game up from 2.6 to 3.6 and total attempts from 10.3 to 12.0. However, we only convert shots on target into goals once every 7.3 attempts under Ole compared to 3.6 under Malky (the latter figure being very similar to opposition performance against Malky).

So if only we could convert at the same rate as the opposition like we did under Malky we would actually be better off under Ole. This is a bit of a surprise to me if I am honest.

This actually makes me feel more positive until you remember just how dire the Hull performance was and the fact that Campbell and Jones don't look like converting more regularly any time soon. I still reckon Mason is the best finisher at the club and wish we had got him more involved this season.

Interesting! My head is so full of iditarod numbers that i can hardly do your math. Jones cant kick a ball, we all know that. But his task is to win headers and, he is not to bad as target. The ball always seems to fall of Cambells feet though. Mason will be back in a month wont he? Would really like to see Berget, but im sure jones will get again tomorrow. Btw. I saw the tottenham game again today. What really surprised med was that after the first game, i thought Gunner ruin midfield for us. And he did loose his man on the goal. But actually Medel was the one not playing well.. Funny that way, i think i got it. Looking at it again, and i dont

So you've hand selected a few stats to suit your argument. Nice, but it's the one on the top that counts! At the moment, it's not as good.

The selection of stats is not mine, but the stats on the opposision provided by bspark fills out the picture.

What other stats of importance are missing?

More stats:-

Per Game Shots on target Conversion
For Against For Against
Chelsea 6.0 3.0 3.2 3.9
Liverpool 6.8 4.1 2.6 3.3
Arsenal 5.6 4.0 3.0 4.0
Man City 6.3 3.6 2.4 3.4
Tottenhm 4.9 4.1 3.7 3.5
Everton 5.1 3.8 3.7 3.8
Man Utd 4.8 4.1 3.0 3.5
Newcastle 5.3 4.4 4.0 3.2
Southamp 4.6 3.5 3.4 2.8
West Ham 3.2 5.2 2.9 4.1
A Villa 3.6 4.2 3.3 3.1
Hull City 3.4 4.2 3.2 3.3
Stoke 3.4 5.1 3.4 3.4
Swansea 4.3 4.0 3.2 2.8
Norwich 4.0 4.9 5.4 3.2
Palace 3.7 4.3 5.2 3.1
West B 3.7 4.4 3.3 3.0
Sunderlnd 3.5 5.5 3.5 3.4
Cardiff 3.1 5.9 4.5 3.4
Fulham 3.8 6.4 3.8 2.9

We are obviously having a lot more shots on target against than for but looking at conversion rates our scoring from shots on target conversion rate is third worst in the league and the rate under Ole of a goal every 7.2 shots on target is awful. Our conceding from shots on target is right in the middle of the pack with Swansea the easiest team to convert shots on target against. Our rate of of 3.7 under Malky would be 5th best in the league and the 2.8 rate under Ole is right up their with Swansea as the easiest team to convert against.

So we definitely concede too many shots on target but that hasn't changed much at all between Malky's reign and Ole's. What has changed is that we have been far worse at converting our chances and the opposition have been far better at converting against us.

I am honestly shocked that we are not allowing loads more shots on target under Ole than Malky because it certainly seems like it to me watching the games.

I am honestly shocked that we are not allowing loads more shots on target under Ole than Malky because it certainly seems like it to me watching the games.

Whitch games are you getting these numbers from? Oles 8 and Malkys last 8?
But season in whole. This isn't cutting it, may it change tomorrow

I really couldn't care-less what the stats say. They can easily be manipulated to suit ones argument.

I see us trying to attack more but conceding more in the process which was the opposite with Malky here but we were still conceding despite many's claims that we were 'solid' at the back under MM.

Plus that list is laughable. It shows we have a little bit of the ball and create more chances(which is automatically pointless if we have no-one able to put them away). We still picked up more points under Malky.

Now I am a supporter of Ole and very much was on the side of Malky being sacked but to throw up these stats and claim we are better is laughable.

After 9 league games with Ole we have 4 points, we had 5 more than that after our first 9 league games this season.

I think the petty sniping and the arguments about which manager is better has become tedious.

Seen as I can't edit my last post I'll add this here.

If you want to compare managers give Ole another 114 games and 2 more transfer windows.

I really couldn't care-less what the stats say. They can easily be manipulated to suit ones argument.

I see us trying to attack more but conceding more in the process which was the opposite with Malky here but we were still conceding despite many's claims that we were 'solid' at the back under MM.

Plus that list is laughable. It shows we have a little bit of the ball and create more chances(which is automatically pointless if we have no-one able to put them away). We still picked up more points under Malky.

Now I am a supporter of Ole and very much was on the side of Malky being sacked but to throw up these stats and claim we are better is laughable.

After 9 league games with Ole we have 4 points, we had 5 more than that after our first 9 league games this season.

I think the petty sniping and the arguments about which manager is better has become tedious.

I disagree, and i think you should compare the last 8 games of Malky. The players form are closer that way, and not fresh legs out of pre.. And if you look at it that way they have picked up one point more under malky over ole, and conceded 2 goals less.The point of this should`t be to slate Malky, but to see that we are getting better and back in the game. As for the stats they areequally bad for both managers as it seems impossible to hit the net..Stats complete the game picture, not tell it. This is the closest this site have come to a discussion on football for a long time. But i guess Tan and One direction tickets are better stickers

Never been a stat man myself because the only stat that ever counts in the scoreboard. And the table doesn't lie at the moment.

Never been a stat man myself because the only stat that ever counts in the scoreboard. And the table doesn't lie at the moment.

Totally agree, stats, stats, stats boring as fcuk . The only stat that counts is the score at 90mins !!

Stats say we havent scored in the last 243 games. We are second from bottom. We are going down. Ohh and the stas say Tans a Bellend

The Ole vs Malky split stats cover the 18 games by Malky and 8 games under Ole so won't get a fair comparison until end of season when they have 18 games each.

The only stat I'm going to compare them on is points on the board and Malky is leading that one 17-4. It just surprised me that the stats don't back up the fact that we are playing rubbish under Ole. We simply aren't taking our chances and the opposition are, not much else has actually changed.

Never been a stat man myself because the only stat that ever counts in the scoreboard. And the table doesn't lie at the moment.

I can respect that. But its not true. If the tackle rate in midfield where higher and convert shot stats where a tint higher the scoreboard would look quite different. They are all conected. They also state that we are getting better and the endless
Disqussion on malky being a god, and ole not being capable are pointless. They even make annis look a complete idiot with his 41 years in the stands. And for me thats funny! Enjoy the game today and get one up

Sorry but only stat I care about is points an under ole that isn't getting any better

Sorry but only stat I care about is points an under ole that isn't getting any better

If we win today ole is two point ahead of malky. But fok that, then we are in it again

Sorry but only stat I care about is points an under ole that isn't getting any better

If we win today ole is two point ahead of malky. But fok that, then we are in it again

Correction, Malky still one point up, sorry

Sorry but only stat I care about is points an under ole that isn't getting any better

And how you´re getting points doesn´t interest you a bit? :p

When we are discussing about how to win matches, we are talking about things like passing qualify, shoot accuracy, goal attempts, tackling etc, so at least for ME these kind of stats are of some interest.

Anyway, the point with my post was not to tell that OGS is better than Malky, but rather that the players seem to (or might have) improved in important areas of their game. Just trying to spread a seed of optimism here And even if it´s only 8 games, the number of passes in those 8 games together are numerous enough to build quite reliable stats on. For other parts, such as shooting accuracy, the bases for the statistics are probable not rich enough to give a reliable picture.

Doesn't describe how you got each point next to the points tally does it? As long as the points are there that's the main thing