Who is to blame if we go down? (Poll)

If we drop down who would be responsible in your eyes? You can select more than one option, so if for example you blame Malky and Ole you can select both, or if you blame all of the options you can select all of the above.

If you blame someone not listed please indicate this underneath, i.e. Ian Moody. You can also indicate why you would blame them if you choose to.

Interesting poll.

I'd like to know peoples reasons for solely lying the blame at Tan's feet. Can't see how it'd be just his fault.

The over all blame lies with Vincent Tan, no doubt about it.
Tan has put two different managers in, he chose both of them.
Tan interfered with the one, then brought an inexperienced manager in.
If we stay up then it pains me to say it, Tan can take the credit.

The over all blame lies with Vincent Tan, no doubt about it.
Tan has put two different managers in, he chose both of them.
Tan interfered with the one, then brought an inexperienced manager in.
If we stay up then it pains me to say it, Tan can take the credit.

Annis, this ins't meant as an insult at all, more an observation, but your hatred for Tan is clouding your judgement on other things.

You say Tan interfered with the one (presumably Malky you're talking about) but did he really? I thought it was common knowledge that Malky had pretty much free reign to play how he wanted and, crucially, to buy who he wanted. Tan should have interfered but he didn't yet he gets crucified, he's damned if he doesn, damned if he doesn't.

IMO the overall blame lies with Malky. He should have done better business in the summer window. It's clear to see now that we're struggling because we haven't got a goal scorer, Malky opted to spunk 7m on an acadamy player at best who we've now sent packing and his only other attacking signing other than him was Odemwengie...who is no longer at the club either. Of course it's easy to say that Ole should have done better in the window as well, but could he have? We need a proved prem goalscorer, proven prem goalscorers don't want to come to teams who are 1 point off the bottom.

The over all blame lies with Vincent Tan, no doubt about it.
Tan has put two different managers in, he chose both of them.
Tan interfered with the one, then brought an inexperienced manager in.
If we stay up then it pains me to say it, Tan can take the credit.

Annis, this ins't meant as an insult at all, more an observation, but your hatred for Tan is clouding your judgement on other things.

You say Tan interfered with the one (presumably Malky you're talking about) but did he really? I thought it was common knowledge that Malky had pretty much free reign to play how he wanted and, crucially, to buy who he wanted. Tan should have interfered but he didn't yet he gets crucified, he's damned if he doesn, damned if he doesn't.

IMO the overall blame lies with Malky. He should have done better business in the summer window. It's clear to see now that we're struggling because we haven't got a goal scorer, Malky opted to spunk 7m on an acadamy player at best who we've now sent packing and his only other attacking signing other than him was Odemwengie...who is no longer at the club either. Of course it's easy to say that Ole should have done better in the window as well, but could he have? We need a proved prem goalscorer, proven prem goalscorers don't want to come to teams who are 1 point off the bottom.

The blame lies with the man at the top, like I said if we stay up Tan takes the credit.
I am not going to go in to the Malky stuff again, I have already a hundred times stated my case why Malky is not to blame.
Yes I despise Tan, but I am honest, when things went wrong under the Riddler or Sam they shouldered the blame, like wise Tan should.

The over all blame lies with Vincent Tan, no doubt about it.
Tan has put two different managers in, he chose both of them.
Tan interfered with the one, then brought an inexperienced manager in.
If we stay up then it pains me to say it, Tan can take the credit.

Annis, this ins't meant as an insult at all, more an observation, but your hatred for Tan is clouding your judgement on other things.

You say Tan interfered with the one (presumably Malky you're talking about) but did he really? I thought it was common knowledge that Malky had pretty much free reign to play how he wanted and, crucially, to buy who he wanted. Tan should have interfered but he didn't yet he gets crucified, he's damned if he doesn, damned if he doesn't.

IMO the overall blame lies with Malky. He should have done better business in the summer window. It's clear to see now that we're struggling because we haven't got a goal scorer, Malky opted to spunk 7m on an acadamy player at best who we've now sent packing and his only other attacking signing other than him was Odemwengie...who is no longer at the club either. Of course it's easy to say that Ole should have done better in the window as well, but could he have? We need a proved prem goalscorer, proven prem goalscorers don't want to come to teams who are 1 point off the bottom.

The blame lies with the man at the top, like I said if we stay up Tan takes the credit.
I am not going to go in to the Malky stuff again, I have already a hundred times stated my case why Malky is not to blame.
Yes I despise Tan, but I am honest, when things went wrong under the Riddler or Sam they shouldered the blame, like wise Tan should.

Malky bought a shit striker for a lot of money. It doesn't matter who signs the cheque malky wanted him. He was bought and he was absolute shit.

We can't score goals malky is to blame.

Simple really, Malky to blame bought the wrong players in on a massive budget given to him which the other promoted managers could only dream about.

Most of the blame lies with Tan.
Think we would be safe if MALKY was still here IMO.
Some of the players are also to blame.
Ole well not to blame but shouldn't have been given the Job IMO we seem any willingness to win games under him. Just pass it up the edge of there area and then lose the ball. At least we threatened teams with MALKY in charge even our set pieces now are pretty Shite.
That being said MALKY can also be blamed for not signing Strikers and yes I mean more than one. Cornelius should never have been signed. Any 2 from Rhodes, Austin, Jelavic, etc. should have been signed.

Hasn't it been stated that Malky was a TG and Whiteley appointment?

But I suppose if you have the view of a Cyclops you can bend everything so that it points to the man at the top being the one to blame.

Tan can be blamed for the rebrand, end of.

Its no good blaming him for everything just because it serves peoples purposes to get rid of him.

He's even getting blamed for expanding the stadium. People were eager for it to have a bigger capacity but now Tan has followed through where others have failed, it is now seen as the wrong thing to do.

I hate the man for the rebrand but I am not blinkered enough to ignore the money spent to get us into the PL, the money spent in the summer, the stadium expansion, the new training facility and the potential to be debt free.

As for the poll, everyone is to blame. This is a joint effort thing and those banding about a single person to blame are weak with an inability to see where they did not help.

Tan.

how the hell can you guys blame tan. im no tan lover. but Malky Moody and ole should be the ones to blame as they bought it the players. yes you can say yeah but Tan signed the cheques. But it was Malky Moody and Ole who wanted the new players.

Also the fans should take some blame. FFS support the team when they need it but no. everyone needs to chant tan out and going back to blue. what do you think the team thinks???????

Mainly Malkys, for blowing the biggest budget a newly promoted side has ever seen, on some really bad signings, or overpaid massively on the only 2 decent signings he made.

We didnt score many last year and he failed to address that in the summer. You dont score goals in this league you are going down as we are finding out.

Tan hasnt helped matters, although I understand his frustration having seen his money wasted, and OGS was maybe the wrong appointment in a relegation battle.

The fans havent helped either, we could finish top 4 and fans would complain we didnt win the league. Thats always been the way with City fans, long before this Malaysian Maniac arrived.

I voted Malky but on summary its a mix of everyone.

The over all blame lies with Vincent Tan, no doubt about it.
Tan has put two different managers in, he chose both of them.
Tan interfered with the one, then brought an inexperienced manager in.
If we stay up then it pains me to say it, Tan can take the credit.

Annis, this ins't meant as an insult at all, more an observation, but your hatred for Tan is clouding your judgement on other things.

You say Tan interfered with the one (presumably Malky you're talking about) but did he really? I thought it was common knowledge that Malky had pretty much free reign to play how he wanted and, crucially, to buy who he wanted. Tan should have interfered but he didn't yet he gets crucified, he's damned if he doesn, damned if he doesn't.

IMO the overall blame lies with Malky. He should have done better business in the summer window. It's clear to see now that we're struggling because we haven't got a goal scorer, Malky opted to spunk 7m on an acadamy player at best who we've now sent packing and his only other attacking signing other than him was Odemwengie...who is no longer at the club either. Of course it's easy to say that Ole should have done better in the window as well, but could he have? We need a proved prem goalscorer, proven prem goalscorers don't want to come to teams who are 1 point off the bottom.

The blame lies with the man at the top, like I said if we stay up Tan takes the credit.
I am not going to go in to the Malky stuff again, I have already a hundred times stated my case why Malky is not to blame.
Yes I despise Tan, but I am honest, when things went wrong under the Riddler or Sam they shouldered the blame, like wise Tan should.

And if we go down, ole gets sacked and tan runs. Who will take the credit then? Why did you suddenly up the ante annis?
Who would gain anything if go into admin and go bust? I think you made sombodys radar, and thats why the sudden change of
Paste. What is the angle annis? Pretty high stakes for a blue shirt!?

I hope he does go.

Roath Magic.

I hope he does go.

I want him to go also but I would like to see his replacement first.

Vincent Tan: his decisions his club 95% his fault.

OGS: believed he was the right man to keep us up this year, otherwise would of not of accepted the job I would presume 5% blame.

I am more confident OGS will do well in the Championship, learnt alot from the defeats

The over all blame lies with Vincent Tan, no doubt about it.
Tan has put two different managers in, he chose both of them.
Tan interfered with the one, then brought an inexperienced manager in.
If we stay up then it pains me to say it, Tan can take the credit.

Well.. If we stick to the logic you started with. Tan chose, manager tincker, go down. Blame!
And in reverse. Tan chose, manager tinker, stay up. Say what?

Not the quickest of cats are you? Or is there an angle?

I genuinly don't understand how people can say Mackay. We were in 16th position when he was sacked. Tony Pulis has had equal time to Ole to sort it out, yet Palace are somehow better than us with a worse squad.

Tan hired Solksjaer and sacked Mackay. It is Tans fault if we go down with the off field circus.

I genuinly don't understand how people can say Mackay. We were in 16th position when he was sacked. Tony Pulis has had equal time to Ole to sort it out, yet Palace are somehow better than us with a worse squad.

Tan hired Solksjaer and sacked Mackay. It is Tans fault if we go down with the off field circus.

17th, dropping like a stone, and with our hardest run of fixtures to come.

Everyone needs to take part of blame.

The main reason I believe we were going down is the transfer dealing in the summer.
So Malky and Moody are to blame. Along with Tan who should not have allowed him free reign and imo should have sacked malky earlier.

Tan as far as I am concerned.

Malkys downfall was Acorn. I believe that Malky should have look around the £20 million mark for a striker but something tells me is was apprehensive going that far specially as Tan had made it clear he wanted 11 Michus. That is he wanted it on the cheap.

We ended up with Acorn and we were doing enough to stay up with that handicapp of no real quality striker. Eventually Acorn became the main subject and Tan lost his nerve. Before we knew it there were disputes about bonuses, rumours of messages being sent to Malky on who to substitute then next thing we know there is a total breakdown between manager and owner.

Now I was not 100% about Malky and feared he was not good enough to keep us up when we won the championship. I then flet he was given enough to make it for us but Acorn without doubt was the mistake. However Malky look like he had a system that was going to make us survive even with the Acorn thorn in the side. However it all started going wrong when Tan got involved and that regardless how much you pay your players has an effect. Even at Chelsea when Roman fell out with Mourinho it went wrong for them. Just the way it is.

Now Tan had 2 options to go for with this fall out. He could have swiftly moved and got rid of Malky when it all happened or he should have stuck with him. Tan got this totally wrong by removing him too late. As far as I am concerned Tan should have stuck with Malky when he decided to get rid. He should have left him alone to get on with the job and to a degree supported him with the 3 players the manager wanted.

By bringing in an inexperienced manager at the time he did was a huge risk and it looks like it is not going to happen for him. This was Tan s decision so he take full responsibility. Lets see if he has the character to hold his hands up.

Malky 100% for me, just not good enough.

I believe that Malky should have look around the £20 million mark for a striker but something tells me is was apprehensive going that far specially as Tan had made it clear he wanted 11 Michus. That is he wanted it on the cheap.

Simple really, Malky to blame bought the wrong players in on a massive budget given to him which the other promoted managers could only dream about.

Bowman u blame Malky for everything. You adore Tan and embraced the Red. So Malky will always be blamed In your eyes, even though Tan was on his back last Oct/Nov and Dec. Malky has not been involved now for 13 games and 7 new players brought in since Malky left. It will be 23 games by May since Malky left, but u will still blame him and Tan u will continue to adore

Your opinion/belief is respected like others, but this is why fans like u have rolled over and backed the Red shite, that we can't get everyone to unite for our true identity.Very Sad. Once Tan has gone u then say u were Blue all along

Has a newly promoted side ever spent £20m on a player before? Especially one never gracing the Prem before.

What £20m striker would go to such a club?

Definitely shouldnt have bought Cornelius but cant say "should have got a £20m striker". Someone like Rhodes would have been suffice.

Has a newly promoted side ever spent £20m on a player before? Especially one never gracing the Prem before.

What £20m striker would go to such a club?

Definitely shouldnt have bought Cornelius but cant say "should have got a £20m striker". Someone like Rhodes would have been suffice.

Cornelius was a mistake and certain fans are using that mistake to back Tan and turn on Malky. Malky has gone and its all down to Tan and Ole now.
Rem Ole has always wanted Cornelius in the past as well Hmm

Simple really, Malky to blame bought the wrong players in on a massive budget given to him which the other promoted managers could only dream about.

Bowman u blame Malky for everything. You adore Tan and embraced the Red. So Malky will always be blamed In your eyes, even though Tan was on his back last Oct/Nov and Dec. Malky has not been involved now for 13 games and 7 new players brought in since Malky left. It will be 23 games by May since Malky left, but u will still blame him and Tan u will continue to adore

Your opinion/belief is respected like others, but this is why fans like u have rolled over and backed the Red shite, that we can't get everyone to unite for our true identity.Very Sad. Once Tan has gone u then say u were Blue all along

So much for all opinions welcome anyone say anything against your precious Malky and you get all mardy

Malky had 18 games, the premier league season is 38 games so it will be 20 games without Malky not 23.

Also, answer me this, you started a thread not so long back asking people to honestly give their views on how many players were Premiership quality. You said 6.

Whos fault is that? Tans after giving Malky 50m to spend over 2 seasons? No, its Malkys he built that squad and if you cant see that he completely wasted his budget in the summer you are as blind as Stevie Wonder.

Weve got a championship squad and you know it and the blame for that lies firmly at the door of one Malcolm Mackay.

Has a newly promoted side ever spent £20m on a player before? Especially one never gracing the Prem before.

What £20m striker would go to such a club?

Definitely shouldnt have bought Cornelius but cant say "should have got a £20m striker". Someone like Rhodes would have been suffice.

Cornelius was a mistake and certain fans are using that mistake to back Tan and turn on Malky. Malky has gone and its all down to Tan and Ole now.
Rem Ole has always wanted Cornelius in the past as well Hmm

Lets face it, Malky wasnt the best is the transfer market. But nobody is perfect.

Ole is a good manager but the wrong fit for you guys, he is too attacking and used to having one of the better sides in the league he is competing in. That goes for as a player and manager.

Malky, for all the boring football was perfect for your first season to keep you up and then maybe a change could have been made at the end of the season to kick you on. Tan messed that up by undermining him and replacing him halfway through the season.

A transition in style and personnel during January is a suicidal decision, and that lays at Tans door.

Last edited by Roath_Magic_ on Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Malky was not in charge v Sunderland,Arsenal and I was including the 3 cup games. So if u add all them up I am correct
All opinions welcome and Yes Malky was a great manager in my eyes and his record was superb until Tan the Dictator tried to finish him off.