' Spurs game is over,honesty and reality now please '

Fair play, great to see City playing better against Spurs today and yet again raising their game against one of the teams in the top half of the table, But I'm going to get straight to the point, if City can't beat Fulham next Saturday, Ole may as well send a Supporters team out for the remaining games of the season.

Ole has had 11 games in charge now and to me that's a lot of games, which shows in my mind he is not good enough,brought 7 players in and there were 10 teams who were all involved in maybe trying to stay up,now there are barely 6 teams left. Why because they are all taking points of teams in the top half etc and getting points and its points what really matter. I sound negative, but it's the truth. The reality is now Oke will have to win at least 5 from the remaining 10 games.

If we go down under Ole, I will still fully back him next season and he will of course have the whole of the summer to put his full squad together, but I think he will need an advisor as I think Ole has a lot to still learn.

Just my strong opinion, I welcome everyone else's

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what do you mean by "Ole has had 11 games in charge now and to me that's a lot"?

I think we'll need a massive change around in form, luck and goalscoring form to have a chance. That said, as Annis says, if we don't win v Fulham we can forget it I think

As was just said on MOTD, "Cardiff have a stench of relegation about them" that isn't OGS's fault, but everything that's gone on since promotion, including Malky's inability to bring in a decent striker and the subsequent falling out with the owner, which has de-stabilised the whole set up

11 games is not a lot to completely change your way of playing ffs try posting something positive for a change I thought today was a huge improvement and the fans reacted to a passionate team performance we deserved something at the lane today but we didn't get it but personally I dont give a shit if we go down or stay up I will watch Cardiff anywhere in any league so now we got Ole i think he deserves a chance and that is not 11 games we got shit players that are not capable judge him when he got his own squad not a handful of probable desperate last minute signings if or when we go down the only person to blame in my eyes will me Tan the mans a cwnt.

looking at the fixtures, only a handful of games left realistically, where we can get 3 points.

Better today.

We can still do it, mainly by relying on the others around us, to keep losing too.

If we don't beat Fulham, we are gone - same for them

Looking for positives today.
We defended better while still going forward whenever we could. We were caught out by one counter attack. Neither side had someone who could play the killer pass. Thought Medel had his best game. Nice to see him looking to play the ball forward rather than back or sideways. Marshall again was a rock and 5 at the back was good but it won't win games. Also thought Declan had a great game. Am still not sure where our goals will come from. We need someone to do it next week against Fulham. We can still do it. There are lots of teams in the mix but we HAVE to start winning games and to do that that you have to score.
And the singing and atmosphere was great.

We looked better today in certain areas had some decent possession and movement but did we really hurt them or did they just let us play where they could set up their defensive players just to stifle us in the last third. Not enough guile in our forward movement for me on a regular basis at present, tactics imo they played with two inexperienced FBS so why wasn't Noone or Zaha introduced to test them or unsettle their game. Gunnersson do we really need him when Medel is playing. Fulham its 50/50 whether we get a result because we are team at the moment that is a easy touch and are getting no good fortune at all.

Annis we are going down, accepted that after the Hull game and whilst today's performance was a very good one we simply don't have any players to stick the ball in the back of the net to keep us up.

You believe Malky would have kept us up but the truth is he never got the right players in during the summer and sorry we were never going to stay up with the strike force he put together which Ole was unable to do anything about in the January window

Spot On

looking at the fixtures, only a handful of games left realistically, where we can get 3 points.

Better today.

We can still do it, mainly by relying on the others around us, to keep losing too.

If we don't beat Fulham, we are gone - same for them

Agree

Fulham is must win, it seems the fans have given up more than the players.
Even if we lose you never give up until it's impossible. How many missions impossibles have you seen in football?

11 games isn't a lot especially when you consider the tough away games he started with. To say he isn't good enough isn't fair imo. It becomes more and more clear we are struggling because of the malky left behind Tan has to take big blame for Trusting malky but the actions of those two have cost us much more.

People also forget with exception of fulham, other teams changed managers well before we did and tbh they are not that far ahead! So maybe should changed sooner? We are now starting to play better but couldnt score in brothel! And thats been problem all season not since jan?

Fair play, great to see City playing better against Spurs today and yet again raising their game against one of the teams in the top half of the table, But I'm going to get straight to the point, if City can't beat Fulham next Saturday, Ole may as well send a Supporters team out for the remaining games of the season.

Ole has had 11 games in charge now and to me that's a lot of games, which shows in my mind he is not good enough,brought 7 players in and there were 10 teams who were all involved in maybe trying to stay up,now there are barely 6 teams left. Why because they are all taking points of teams in the top half etc and getting points and its points what really matter. I sound negative, but it's the truth. The reality is now Oke will have to win at least 5 from the remaining 10 games.

If we go down under Ole,I will still fully back him next season and of course he will have the whole of the summer,to put his full squad together,but I think he will need an advisor,as I think Ole has still a lot to learn.

Just my strong opinion, I welcome everyone else's

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Load of rubbish how can you judge him by 11 games but were telling us to give malky a few transfer windows to bring his own players in and get rid of jones's deadwood?
Ole can only be fairly judged next season malky had time so should he

Ole had the hardest month to start off with but it's okay he's had enough to be judged on even though he had no money to spend in January and had to make-do with an average Championship side

People also forget with exception of fulham, other teams changed managers well before we did and tbh they are not that far ahead! So maybe should changed sooner? We are now starting to play better but couldnt score in brothel! And thats been problem all season not since jan?

We haven't had the right striker in the malky era. So 5 full transfer windows? Yet expect ole to solve all our problems in one January window.

Fulham is must win, it seems the fans have given up more than the players.
Even if we lose you never give up until it's impossible. How many missions impossibles have you seen in football?

11 games isn't a lot especially when you consider the tough away games he started with. To say he isn't good enough isn't fair imo. It becomes more and more clear we are struggling because of the malky left behind Tan has to take big blame for Trusting malky but the actions of those two have cost us much more.

Quote (2blue2handle): "Fulham is must win, it seems the fans have given up more than the players"

Never a truer word spoken and, to be honest, it is indicative of the general malaise that currently surrounds the club and its supporters

We CAN avoid relegation and it WILL be tough...but we've been through a LOT worse and we should (from a footballing point of view) embrace the challenge, get behind Ole and the boys and cheer them the whole 90 minutes against Fulham, rather than making Fulham (and their fans) feel like they are playing at home like we did versus Hull City!

Time for us fans to step up to the mark!

There are different types of appointments:

The long term project: A manager regardless of experience is regarded as the man that the board wish to keep for a long-term project. The board usually give this man a 3 - 4 year contract so that he may feel secure to change the squad, and the board back his ideas with a decent budget for change.

The short term project: Usually, the club needing a short-term project dispense of the long-term aims set by them & the previous manager, as they have lost confidence in the managers' ability to fulfil the long-term project.

As a result, a manger (almost always experienced) is drafted in on a short-term contract to boost morale, or to bring an edge to their competitiveness (Pulis). The short-term project gives no thought to bringing in players for the 'future.' Indeed, a short-term project sees youth on a football pitch as a hiderance. The prefered method of a short-term project is to stay in the league, buy players who are match-fit & have, if available to purchase, a hard-nosed competitive edge about them.

Zaha, Daelli, Eikrem, Borget & Jones in my opinion do not fit the criteria for what we need & neither does OGS for that matter. OGS is the man for the long-term project, bring him in June/July.

That said, I was impressed by OGS changing the tactics to nullify Spurs somewhat & they done a good job. It was a big of magic from Soldado that cannot be accounted for that won the match. Furthermore, I do not blame OGS for not have a PL standard striker.

Would Meulensteen be someone ideal to work with him? I'm pretty sure he's available now.

sorry, my spelling is atrocious if I sleep > 8hrs, my brain cells transform to marshmallows

Fair play, great to see City playing better against Spurs today and yet again raising their game against one of the teams in the top half of the table, But I'm going to get straight to the point, if City can't beat Fulham next Saturday, Ole may as well send a Supporters team out for the remaining games of the season.

Ole has had 11 games in charge now and to me that's a lot of games, which shows in my mind he is not good enough,brought 7 players in and there were 10 teams who were all involved in maybe trying to stay up,now there are barely 6 teams left. Why because they are all taking points of teams in the top half etc and getting points and its points what really matter. I sound negative, but it's the truth. The reality is now Oke will have to win at least 5 from the remaining 10 games.

If we go down under Ole, I will still fully back him next season and he will of course have the whole of the summer to put his full squad together, but I think he will need an advisor as I think Ole has a lot to still learn.

Just my strong opinion, I welcome everyone else's

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You say OGS is not good enough, however the system that he played yesterday was tactically superior to anything Malky put together? It was a clever way of nullifying Spurs, yet also giving the players the opportunity to push forward. The result yesterday would have been exactly the same under Malky, the difference being Spurs would have pummelled us and eventually broken through, with perhaps one solitary attack from us

I just don't think tan is the man to take us any further now.

He is coming over as an individual who wants to do it all on the cheap just like your normal worldly business man. However football is not like any normal business. If Tan wants us to be established in the premier so he can float us out in the Far East he needs to invest a lot more than £50 million.

He can start by getting in the right manager. Malky one for the future, OGS one for the future.....not going to work is it? Once the fallout with Malky started the only manager I could see pulling us through this with what we had was Beilsa but Tan was not willing ot go that extra mile to get him. Pulis a few would point to and for good reason but if he wants us to make a mark in the premier then he needs to look further ahead.

What more concerns me now is the statement that Tan wants to get involved in the finances of the transfers. Understandable some will say but but I can't see him splashing the cash for a striker. It seems to me he thought he was going to get a Bentley of a striker for £10 million. You are looking at double for that for premier quality. There is no one coming through the ranks to fulfil this gap so its out with the chequebook for this one. Would Tan spend £13 million on a Bony? I doubt it. As far as I am concerned Bony is just about right for a relegation battle and he will keep the Swans up. This is perhaps why the Jacks are not mid table which everyone thought they would be.

Well it looks like we are going down. To me that means Tan will be around for another couple of seasons. He needs to get us back in the premier then get us more comfortable there before he can make his exit. I just feel next season in the championship he is going to try and save as much money as possible in the hope that the cheap ones OGS has brought in will get us back up. If the first part of the plan is successful the it will be interesting to see how he attacks it this time.

I just don't think tan is the man to take us any further now.

He is coming over as an individual who wants to do it all on the cheap just like your normal worldly business man. However football is not like any normal business. If Tan wants us to be established in the premier so he can float us out in the Far East he needs to invest a lot more than £50 million.

He can start by getting in the right manager. Malky one for the future, OGS one for the future.....not going to work is it? Once the fallout with Malky started the only manager I could see pulling us through this with what we had was Beilsa but Tan was not willing ot go that extra mile to get him. Pulis a few would point to and for good reason but if he wants us to make a mark in the premier then he needs to look further ahead.

What more concerns me now is the statement that Tan wants to get involved in the finances of the transfers. Understandable some will say but but I can't see him splashing the cash for a striker. It seems to me he thought he was going to get a Bentley of a striker for £10 million. You are looking at double for that for premier quality. There is no one coming through the ranks to fulfil this gap so its out with the chequebook for this one. Would Tan spend £13 million on a Bony? I doubt it. As far as I am concerned Bony is just about right for a relegation battle and he will keep the Swans up. This is perhaps why the Jacks are not mid table which everyone thought they would be.

Well it looks like we are going down. To me that means Tan will be around for another couple of seasons. He needs to get us back in the premier then get us more comfortable there before he can make his exit. I just feel next season in the championship he is going to try and save as much money as possible in the hope that the cheap ones OGS has brought in will get us back up. If the first part of the plan is successful the it will be interesting to see how he attacks it this time.

Tan trusted malky with 8 million and malky bought a V reg fiesta

The bad seed was planted at the start of the season with MM not buying well enough in the summer and his obsession with negative football HOME and away, especially against teams who were no better than us at that time. We didnt get enough points early on before OGS arrived. MM knew, as we all did that no points were likley to be earned in January with those fixtures and he had to go for wins prior to these games, yet still went all defensive.

OGS has had some tough fixtures, trying to change teams mentality etc, so too early to judge him imo. Would we of been better with MM ?, no in my opionion as we still couldnt score under him, and still cant score under OGS and the problem has not been fixed, the only difference would of been a better goal diference which may count for a point at the end of the season. I rate MM as one of the best city managers I have seen in my 35 years of following the club, but he had his faults and anyone who says otherwise is looking through rose tinted glasses. A win aginst Fulhan and a bit of good luck and we will be away. Lose next weekend and we are down I think. Lets hope we get a full house and get it rocking and get behind the team and go for the 3 points, the rest is out of our control. Always have faith in City, although this season is testing me

I just don't think tan is the man to take us any further now.

He is coming over as an individual who wants to do it all on the cheap just like your normal worldly business man. However football is not like any normal business. If Tan wants us to be established in the premier so he can float us out in the Far East he needs to invest a lot more than £50 million.

He can start by getting in the right manager. Malky one for the future, OGS one for the future.....not going to work is it? Once the fallout with Malky started the only manager I could see pulling us through this with what we had was Beilsa but Tan was not willing ot go that extra mile to get him. Pulis a few would point to and for good reason but if he wants us to make a mark in the premier then he needs to look further ahead.

What more concerns me now is the statement that Tan wants to get involved in the finances of the transfers. Understandable some will say but but I can't see him splashing the cash for a striker. It seems to me he thought he was going to get a Bentley of a striker for £10 million. You are looking at double for that for premier quality. There is no one coming through the ranks to fulfil this gap so its out with the chequebook for this one. Would Tan spend £13 million on a Bony? I doubt it. As far as I am concerned Bony is just about right for a relegation battle and he will keep the Swans up. This is perhaps why the Jacks are not mid table which everyone thought they would be.

Well it looks like we are going down. To me that means Tan will be around for another couple of seasons. He needs to get us back in the premier then get us more comfortable there before he can make his exit. I just feel next season in the championship he is going to try and save as much money as possible in the hope that the cheap ones OGS has brought in will get us back up. If the first part of the plan is successful the it will be interesting to see how he attacks it this time.

Experienced Managers love a club that has the cash to spend, (and a salary that fits their stature) regardless of that club's standing within the game. It's obvious the big-named managers are not wanting to work with Tan, or the project he is working on.

I just don't think tan is the man to take us any further now.

He is coming over as an individual who wants to do it all on the cheap just like your normal worldly business man. However football is not like any normal business. If Tan wants us to be established in the premier so he can float us out in the Far East he needs to invest a lot more than £50 million.

He can start by getting in the right manager. Malky one for the future, OGS one for the future.....not going to work is it? Once the fallout with Malky started the only manager I could see pulling us through this with what we had was Beilsa but Tan was not willing ot go that extra mile to get him. Pulis a few would point to and for good reason but if he wants us to make a mark in the premier then he needs to look further ahead.

What more concerns me now is the statement that Tan wants to get involved in the finances of the transfers. Understandable some will say but but I can't see him splashing the cash for a striker. It seems to me he thought he was going to get a Bentley of a striker for £10 million. You are looking at double for that for premier quality. There is no one coming through the ranks to fulfil this gap so its out with the chequebook for this one. Would Tan spend £13 million on a Bony? I doubt it. As far as I am concerned Bony is just about right for a relegation battle and he will keep the Swans up. This is perhaps why the Jacks are not mid table which everyone thought they would be.

Well it looks like we are going down. To me that means Tan will be around for another couple of seasons. He needs to get us back in the premier then get us more comfortable there before he can make his exit. I just feel next season in the championship he is going to try and save as much money as possible in the hope that the cheap ones OGS has brought in will get us back up. If the first part of the plan is successful the it will be interesting to see how he attacks it this time.

Tan trusted malky with 8 million and malky bought a V reg fiesta

That's being generous.

Personally I thought £10 million to bring in a premier striker was a risk. We needed to go higher to get one. We did not have any coming through the ranks and as far as I am concerned the only one that would make some impact was Campbell. To me Campbel is a bench warmer for the premier so we needed that big signing. Acorn came with references and £8 million seemed a reasonable buy but instinct told us all it was a risk.

We spent more money on Caulker and Medel who have in my opinion been reasonable buys. However for a striker you need to go big and we didn't. I sometimes wonder if Malky was too afraid to ask Tan for £20 million for a striker.

I just don't think tan is the man to take us any further now.

He is coming over as an individual who wants to do it all on the cheap just like your normal worldly business man. However football is not like any normal business. If Tan wants us to be established in the premier so he can float us out in the Far East he needs to invest a lot more than £50 million.

He can start by getting in the right manager. Malky one for the future, OGS one for the future.....not going to work is it? Once the fallout with Malky started the only manager I could see pulling us through this with what we had was Beilsa but Tan was not willing ot go that extra mile to get him. Pulis a few would point to and for good reason but if he wants us to make a mark in the premier then he needs to look further ahead.

What more concerns me now is the statement that Tan wants to get involved in the finances of the transfers. Understandable some will say but but I can't see him splashing the cash for a striker. It seems to me he thought he was going to get a Bentley of a striker for £10 million. You are looking at double for that for premier quality. There is no one coming through the ranks to fulfil this gap so its out with the chequebook for this one. Would Tan spend £13 million on a Bony? I doubt it. As far as I am concerned Bony is just about right for a relegation battle and he will keep the Swans up. This is perhaps why the Jacks are not mid table which everyone thought they would be.

Well it looks like we are going down. To me that means Tan will be around for another couple of seasons. He needs to get us back in the premier then get us more comfortable there before he can make his exit. I just feel next season in the championship he is going to try and save as much money as possible in the hope that the cheap ones OGS has brought in will get us back up. If the first part of the plan is successful the it will be interesting to see how he attacks it this time.

Experienced Managers love a club that has the cash to spend, (and a salary that fits their stature) regardless of that club's standing within the game. It's obvious the big-named managers are not wanting to work with Tan, or the project he is working on.

You get that impression Thomas and there could lie our problem.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see us getting more than another 6 or 7 points from our remaining games. A lot may have happened off the pitch this season, but we are almost bottom of the league because we are not good enough to be any higher. I said in a previous post that apart from Marshall, we had very few other players who would be on the shopping list of most Premier League sides. 19 goals scored and 49 against from 28 games is proof that we have problems in all areas of the pitch, and if we haven't been able to sort them out after 28 games, I can't see us sorting them out in the remaining 10 games. I have tried to remain optimistic all season, but now being realistic, I honestly can't see any way out of this situation. Whatever league we are in though, I will be there wearing blue.

We are now playing much better than we were under Malky, beginning to defend better, sadly we are toothless in front of goal and that's a relic of what was left for OGS by some awful transfer dealings from his predecessor. OGS was on a hiding to nothing from day one. If by some miracle we stay up then great but if we go down OGS has a lot of rebuilding to do. OGS is light years ahead of Malky tactically but doesn't have the players available to implement all those different tactics. I have every faith in him and that he can turn things around if not this season then definitely next season.

Seems that some fans has lost all hope, which is sad to see, and not good for the players that tried hard and keep faith.

City played not too bad yesterday, good tactics from OGS

On a Low budet in january, what do you except to Get? Rooney?

Dæhli is good enough, and are able to score, use him upfront together with Bellemy, the old and the Young!

City play much better generally today than under ultradefensive malky.

Fulham is playing worse than City, 3 points to come, and maybe a new start for the last 10 matches.

But the Fans must be behind the team, they are the 12th man.